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So, how many people should he have to go through before he's justified? Two? Five? Should he have just have cut to the chase and called the President?
He went to someone in charge and said "I think this is wrong." and that person, in charge of him, said "Shut up and find more people to oppress."
I feel like you wouldn't have even said anything-- I mean, Iraq isn't a real democracy, so who gives a fuck if some brown people go to prison for looking into government corruption, right? They're not 'mercuns, so they don't deserve the rights we claim "all men" should have.
Sometimes breaking the law is the moral and just action.
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I feel like we're arguing different things.
It doesn't matter what incident he's charged with; The question is whether he is a "leaker" or a "whistle blower". Since he went to his CO with concerns and was told to get back in line, he is, in my mind, a whistle blower, which affords him several protections. (Like, not being in jail.)
A democratic society does not jail people for political dissent. Since all parties involved claim to be democratic, I think the right action would be to go my CO. Which he did.
The wrong action is to be told to shut up and find more people exercising free speech for the IFP to jail.
Holy shit. Bravo Zulu, my friend. I honestly thought you were more than a troll, but I refuse to believe any human is so dense as to not be able to connect these dots. If his CO slapped him down once for trying to bring up something he felt wasn't right, you think he should continue to bring things to his CO? I'd call that a break down of his chain of command. Everything after that is whistle blowing.
02:35:46 PM) Manning: was watching 15 detainees taken by the Iraqi Federal Police… for printing “anti-Iraqi literature”… the iraqi federal police wouldn’t cooperate with US forces, so i was instructed to investigate the matter, find out who the “bad guys” were, and how significant this was for the FPs… it turned out, they had printed a scholarly critique against PM Maliki… i had an interpreter read it for me… and when i found out that it was a benign political critique titled “Where did the money go?” and following the corruption trail within the PM’s cabinet… i immediately took that information and *ran* to the officer to explain what was going on… he didn’t want to hear any of it… he told me to shut up and explain how we could assist the FPs in finding *MORE* detainees…(emphasis mine)
I'm going to assume you're on Team Manning, now, yes?
As a veteran, I'd say the reason he is in the predicament is because the soldier *did* the right thing.
It takes a lot of balls for one person to throw his life away to stop injustice. We can bicker all day long on if he released too much information, but if I were in his position, I'd also be more likely to grab more information than was needed to shed light on the situation, than too little-- because I'm sure he knew he was going to jail, regardless.
There is a difference between loving one's country, and loving one's government.
The fact that you'd already tried and sentenced him in your mind, before was given his constitutionally guaranteed rights, makes *you* less of a patriot than him.
The difference is that Monster Cable doesn't sell greeting cards.
I think this is a great example of technology (yet again) throwing a monkey wrench in existing law, and I also think they have a valid claim, under the current law.
I wonder, if he put on the back of his greeting cards, next to his brand name, that he wasn't affiliated with their company, if that would make them feel better? It's pretty hard to have customer confusion when the confusion is cleared up, point blank, on the product, right?
Otherwise, I feel like Inman is going to have to change his greeting card brand.
Correct, and this happens time and time again when new technology obsoletes a form of technology. This is often explain using the demand for buggy whips after the car became popular, though I personally prefer the ice man analogy.
Once people actually paid people to deliver ice to their houses, but when household refrigeration became commonplace, the need for ice men melted (ha!) away. Pointing to industries that sold non-scarce digital goods to people and complaining that they are in decline is just like pointing to the failing ice men business. Your options become "sucks to be them" or "hold back technology". Any sane, non-biased person goes with the former-- only people directly affected dare suggest that forward technological progress should be held up so they don't have to change jobs, because ignoring the impossibility of that goal, it's incredibly self-centered.
So, his argument appears to be that p2p users got about half their collection for free... which completely misses the point any businessman should be focusing on: The paid 50% is bigger than the paid 80% (or whatever) of non-p2p users.
They should look at it this way (using made up numbers), p2p users have given them $100, and non-p2p users have given them $50. Period. It doesn't matter how many digital files that a p2p user has downloaded, because those cost nothing to create.
The bottom line is that p2p $ > non-p2p $, and that's all any businessman needs to know to make the right decision.
I tried to build a working time machine, but it didn't work very well. As far as I could tell, it jumped me forward in time 0.000000000000000000000000000000001ns. (Margin of error, +/- .01 seconds.)
Luckily, I've now got the patent I deserve for my hard work, so when someone else actually makes it work, their money all belong to me.
Right. What I was getting at is that burning a flag, in an of itself, is not offensive or political. That means that the only thing one can find offensive about burning a flag is the *speech* behind the burning; making this a clear cut political speech issue.
In America, it's (now) a slam dunk that flag burning is protected. I'm actually a little shocked that such an obvious form of speech isn't protected in the UK.
No, political correctness is designed solely to prevent someone from feeling bad. They're not midgets, they're "little people". He's not retarded, he's "mentally challenged". (Actually, I feel like even "mentally challenged" is no longer PC, but I don't know what fluffier way I can describe someone with brain damage.)
All it does it breed thin-skinned humans, who take offense at everything but their pre-screened words and phrases.
It's one thing to burn a flag, it's another to burn a paper representation of a flag.
Actually, the proper way to dispose of a flag is to burn it.
(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.
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He went to someone in charge and said "I think this is wrong." and that person, in charge of him, said "Shut up and find more people to oppress."
I feel like you wouldn't have even said anything-- I mean, Iraq isn't a real democracy, so who gives a fuck if some brown people go to prison for looking into government corruption, right? They're not 'mercuns, so they don't deserve the rights we claim "all men" should have.
Sometimes breaking the law is the moral and just action.
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It doesn't matter what incident he's charged with; The question is whether he is a "leaker" or a "whistle blower". Since he went to his CO with concerns and was told to get back in line, he is, in my mind, a whistle blower, which affords him several protections. (Like, not being in jail.)
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Debate, that would occur at a trial.
A trial that has not occurred in the 919 days since he was arrested.
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The wrong action is to be told to shut up and find more people exercising free speech for the IFP to jail.
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10/10, troll. You had me hook, line, and sinker.
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"I was just following orders" does not make dishonorable actions permissible, and there is more to honor than following the letter of the law.
Not to mention, the UCMJ makes blowjobs illegal. Wanna take a guess at how many people follow that rule?
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It takes a lot of balls for one person to throw his life away to stop injustice. We can bicker all day long on if he released too much information, but if I were in his position, I'd also be more likely to grab more information than was needed to shed light on the situation, than too little-- because I'm sure he knew he was going to jail, regardless.
There is a difference between loving one's country, and loving one's government.
The fact that you'd already tried and sentenced him in your mind, before was given his constitutionally guaranteed rights, makes *you* less of a patriot than him.
He has my full support. All patriots do.
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I think this is a great example of technology (yet again) throwing a monkey wrench in existing law, and I also think they have a valid claim, under the current law.
I wonder, if he put on the back of his greeting cards, next to his brand name, that he wasn't affiliated with their company, if that would make them feel better? It's pretty hard to have customer confusion when the confusion is cleared up, point blank, on the product, right?
Otherwise, I feel like Inman is going to have to change his greeting card brand.
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Once people actually paid people to deliver ice to their houses, but when household refrigeration became commonplace, the need for ice men melted (ha!) away. Pointing to industries that sold non-scarce digital goods to people and complaining that they are in decline is just like pointing to the failing ice men business. Your options become "sucks to be them" or "hold back technology". Any sane, non-biased person goes with the former-- only people directly affected dare suggest that forward technological progress should be held up so they don't have to change jobs, because ignoring the impossibility of that goal, it's incredibly self-centered.
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Brain... hurts...
They should look at it this way (using made up numbers), p2p users have given them $100, and non-p2p users have given them $50. Period. It doesn't matter how many digital files that a p2p user has downloaded, because those cost nothing to create.
The bottom line is that p2p $ > non-p2p $, and that's all any businessman needs to know to make the right decision.
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Luckily, I've now got the patent I deserve for my hard work, so when someone else actually makes it work, their money all belong to me.
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I'm also a veteran, and I have no problem with people who are anti-war, or anti-military-- as long as they're not anti-soldier.
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In America, it's (now) a slam dunk that flag burning is protected. I'm actually a little shocked that such an obvious form of speech isn't protected in the UK.
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All it does it breed thin-skinned humans, who take offense at everything but their pre-screened words and phrases.
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Actually, the proper way to dispose of a flag is to burn it.
(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.
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