Magnetometers can't detect bomb residue or small concentrations of vapor that are typically emitted from explosives.
Therefore, magnetometers don't really meet my definition of sound effectiveness. Ya know, because bombs on planes aren't good. Take a moment to not be as egocentric as possible. You are completely wrong.
"There are some scenarios in which you can "have your cake and eat it too."
Man, I though other folks were needlessly splitting hairs, but you take the cake.
You've just assumed that the current techniques are effective by virtue of their invasiveness
Please evidence where I argued this, because I did nothing of the sort. If you continue to read my posts you'll note I do not feel TSA is as effective as they could be.
How is that circular reasoning?
Vivaelamor is correct. This is not circular reasoning, but rather begging the question. I was simply calling out other folks for simply parroting that we "should just be like Israel." Well, Jesus Christ, how do we do that...in your own words...not what some frigging Google search told you.
Agreed, and I appreciate the distinction, but I honestly cannot tell if you are being facetious, when you say "then the Martians would simply start using 3-year olds."
I suspect racial profiling would also not be a bad thing, considering some Muslims have no problem with it:
For the folks taking score...you see how I can make a claim ("some Muslims have no problem with it"), and actually back it up with veritable evidence. Take note. This is how debates are handled.
Apparently, that I'm trying to explain quantum physics to a 2-year old.that's hyperbole...but wait, isn't that a bad thing according to you? Screw it, why try.
"I don't agree with the "go find your own evidence" attitude. This is a community - if Mike wrote an article claiming things, whatever it may be (happens all the time), then he would be lambasted for not offering evidence. Why is anyone here different? We should all be held to the same standards.
So, by your understanding, Mike would be able to post any numerous amount of claims, and it would be the reader's responsibility to do the legwork to validate the claims? For sure man, for sure.
The point is....you are pulled aside without any due process. They pull you aside at random...it doesn't matter the technique used to validate whether you're a threat..it simply matters they have no reason to pull you aside and search you...also known as illegal search and seizure...
I can understand your fervor given the tone of this argument, however I believe even you can appreciate the fact that you've offered the best response yet, since it actually itemizes what we should be doing here in America.
However, I don't agree with the "go find your own evidence" attitude. This is a community - if Mike wrote an article claiming things, whatever it may be (happens all the time), then he would be lambasted for not offering evidence. Why is anyone here different? We should all be held to the same standards.
Also, I agree that whatever we are doing now in our airports is not effective - although there hasn't been any deaths caused by terrorism on the homefront..since 9/11. I have not claimed otherwise in any of my posts, so I'm not sure where folks are getting this notion.
What's more, I have a cousin in the Armed Forces who was just sent through TSA as an efficacy test - he got the full pat down and a scan, and was able to get through to his gate with a handgun separated into several pieces.
So, if anything, I have direct knowledge of how TSA is not doing a proper job - yet I am merely asking for ways America can do better. And you've apparently provided them. Good day.
If you want effective security then you would use profiling. I can show you several companies that use profiling quite effectively, for sales rather than bombs, but it is indeed the same principal and it works!
I also believe profiling to be the best option. To put it simply, if Martians were attacking us, I doubt we'd still be groping 3 year-olds - we'd go after the damn Martians.
Good, I see you've lowered yourself so much as to never be worth a shit in the scientific community.
Ah, I remember when Einstein first gave his lectures on the Theory of Relativity, and when asked to support his arguments, what was that famous line again..."find your own fucking evidence".
The phrase "no shit" comes to mind when I read all of your posts. Go back and reread what I am asking for. I don't want a Google search, I want the information you personally are using to formulate your opinion. Maybe the third times a charm, but I doubt you can provide.
Thanks for the article. However, I suspect some folks on this thread would not be appreciative of the tactics employed by the Israelis. From the article you referenced:
"At this point, some travellers will be randomly taken aside, and their person and their luggage run through a magnometer."
This sounds awfully like the unconstitutional and "illegal" search and seizure that was being argued against from the beginning of this post. Does it not?
Read up on the Israeli airport security measures. Simple, effective, non-invasive.
Yet again, you keep claiming things without any evidence. You can't just associate words like 'simple' and 'effective' in relation to Israeli airport security without providing factual citations.
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Magnetometers can't detect bomb residue or small concentrations of vapor that are typically emitted from explosives.
Therefore, magnetometers don't really meet my definition of sound effectiveness. Ya know, because bombs on planes aren't good. Take a moment to not be as egocentric as possible. You are completely wrong.
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Haha wow.
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Um, what I agreed with was: "What you're talking about, Lux, is racial profiling".
Easy chief.
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Man, I though other folks were needlessly splitting hairs, but you take the cake.
You've just assumed that the current techniques are effective by virtue of their invasiveness
Please evidence where I argued this, because I did nothing of the sort. If you continue to read my posts you'll note I do not feel TSA is as effective as they could be.
How is that circular reasoning?
Vivaelamor is correct. This is not circular reasoning, but rather begging the question. I was simply calling out other folks for simply parroting that we "should just be like Israel." Well, Jesus Christ, how do we do that...in your own words...not what some frigging Google search told you.
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You are mistaking my use of "direct knowledge" to mean "first hand knowledge", which I did not state or imply.
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I suspect racial profiling would also not be a bad thing, considering some Muslims have no problem with it:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-11-29/airport-security-lets-profile-musli ms
For the folks taking score...you see how I can make a claim ("some Muslims have no problem with it"), and actually back it up with veritable evidence. Take note. This is how debates are handled.
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"I don't agree with the "go find your own evidence" attitude. This is a community - if Mike wrote an article claiming things, whatever it may be (happens all the time), then he would be lambasted for not offering evidence. Why is anyone here different? We should all be held to the same standards.
So, by your understanding, Mike would be able to post any numerous amount of claims, and it would be the reader's responsibility to do the legwork to validate the claims? For sure man, for sure.
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However, I don't agree with the "go find your own evidence" attitude. This is a community - if Mike wrote an article claiming things, whatever it may be (happens all the time), then he would be lambasted for not offering evidence. Why is anyone here different? We should all be held to the same standards.
Also, I agree that whatever we are doing now in our airports is not effective - although there hasn't been any deaths caused by terrorism on the homefront..since 9/11. I have not claimed otherwise in any of my posts, so I'm not sure where folks are getting this notion.
What's more, I have a cousin in the Armed Forces who was just sent through TSA as an efficacy test - he got the full pat down and a scan, and was able to get through to his gate with a handgun separated into several pieces.
So, if anything, I have direct knowledge of how TSA is not doing a proper job - yet I am merely asking for ways America can do better. And you've apparently provided them. Good day.
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I also believe profiling to be the best option. To put it simply, if Martians were attacking us, I doubt we'd still be groping 3 year-olds - we'd go after the damn Martians.
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Ah, I remember when Einstein first gave his lectures on the Theory of Relativity, and when asked to support his arguments, what was that famous line again..."find your own fucking evidence".
Terrific.
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'cause if you did, you'd realize that their "higher-security" line is in fact the baseline which existed before 9/11.
Again, what?
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"At this point, some travellers will be randomly taken aside, and their person and their luggage run through a magnometer."
This sounds awfully like the unconstitutional and "illegal" search and seizure that was being argued against from the beginning of this post. Does it not?
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Yet again, you keep claiming things without any evidence. You can't just associate words like 'simple' and 'effective' in relation to Israeli airport security without providing factual citations.
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