"New Study Says There's No Evidence That Terrorists Changed How They Communicate Post-Snowden"
Yet the NSA and other spook agencies, world wide, somehow managed to completely miss the entire birth, growth, and mobilization of ISIS - the Army of masked, black-clad, Die-Hard type Hollywood Super Terrorists, that manage to conveniently "prove" the need for enormously bloated Anti-Terrorist Budgets, Mass Public Surveillance programs and the continuation and escalation of the War On Terror, through their internet-posting of recorded atrocities.
This just in:
US Officials now say its quite obvious ISIS communicated its vital intelligence via smoke signals and hand-passed notes written on flash paper, during that time period, and may have used what officials are calling camel-drop sites, where messages were passed via strategically organized camel turd patterns left in the sand of specially designated water holes and camel parking lots.
Terror has been utilized many times by the USG in every war its participated in, such as the use of Napalm on civilian populations, and psyops, which is actually just Mil-Speak for Terrorism.
As for drugs, the US actually produced a film called Hemp For Victory at the beginning of WW2, to promote the growing of hemp for the making of cloth products like military uniforms.
And prior to the initiation of the political ploy known as the War on Drugs, most of the common drugs were in every day use throughout the USA.
Opiates such as laudinum (sp?), cannabis, and heroin were sold openly by retailers. The Bayer Company, for example, sold Heroin tablets for the relief of pain such as toothaches, and its pretty obvious where Coco Cola began its climb to fame. Look up the film Coke Anyday (sp?)
In fact, when the boys in office first began the War on Cannabis for the Petroleum Chemical industry, the medical pharmacopia was full of hemp based remedies, and American Doctors were kept in the dark about the prohibition of Cannabis, through the adoption of the Mexican slang word for hemp - marijuana. Doctors had no idea the USG was making cannabis illegal by criminalizing the unknown evil drug marijuana, until it was too late to do anything about it besides protest.
So no, we have not always been at war with Terror and Drugs.
And in my opinion, we are still not at war with either, since after decades of "War", the use of both has increased.
I had assumed good faith, which is why I was Not Impressed.
If you were also referring to the first part of the post, then all you're saying is:
That (if p then q) just because secretly enacted War Measures Laws would explain why the USG appears to be acting outside the law with impunity, it does not necessarily mean (if q then p) that the USG acting outside the law with impunity necessitates the secret enactment of War Measure laws.
Translated: "Might be. Might not be."
Hardly what I would call material for "a potentially productive conversation".
I did not state that this was written in stone. I thought I'd made it quite clear that I offer conjecture based on extrapolation of current facts; not biblical revelations, and that I don't bother including the "may be" and "could be" phrases that apologize for propaganda and misinformation.
p equals q better than anything else I've seen offered.
That q does not absolutely prove p is a given, simply due to the secret nature of the entire subject matter.
I'm not at all sure what you mean by productive conversation, especially when the follow up negates the entire idea out of hand without even a hint as to rationale behind the claim.
"Yes, but of course this is not one of those times."
Translated: "Can't happen here. (Tongue in cheek)"
Perhaps we should simply agree to disagree, as this appears to be your sole basis for response to date.
I am more than willing to forgo any future discussions of this sort, and, I suspect, you are as well, since, unless you're gathering brownie points from some fan-group, it accomplishes nothing.
Your response is True, only if you ignore the first half of the comment which discusses the secret initiation of War Measures, which is of course, what I was referring to when I wrote: "However, when only one explanation fits all the observed events..."
If however, you ignore that and respond only to the part (not being reprimanded by the White House), as being what I meant by one explanation, then your response: (Yes, but of course this is not one of those times.), is quite accurate.
Slightly underhanded and misleading, but correct nonetheless. :)
You might want to leave that sort of thing to Whatever. He actually gets paid for it.
Note:
Apologies for all the brackets, but quotation marks and html are suddenly not working in the editor.
Quotes give me È, and html brackets give me ' and ".
Since Shift+Period (closing html bracket) gives me a quote character, I cut and pasted it above in the text, and used round brackets instead of using italics.
You would think that someone would have noticed by now that both the War on Drugs and The War on Terror have resulted in the same group of people being attacked repeatedly by the USG.
Re: Outrageous plotters as a place holder for real ones.
"...until we have a better idea which it is."
In my experience, the wealthy tend to gravitate towards each other naturally and while they do form groups with differing concepts of how best to utilize the power they jointly possess, they are all united in their desire to increase their own wealth exponentially and eternally, by any means at their disposal.
Regardless of their disparate ideologies, they work together in concert when it comes to fleecing the sheep.
In other words, the various Rich-dude clubs are only at odds with each other when they are NOT busy making their money, make more money and as long as they believe there is more than enough to go around, they will - like predators in the wild - inflict only the most minute harm upon one another during those times when they are not busy turning one dollar into three dollars.
Membership includes both the ancient families, such as Royalty, the Usurpers, and the Descendants of Royally commissioned Pirates, and the many newcomers such as the drug cartel and the corporate rich. If you're not up to their standard however, no amount of money will prevent them from removing you from the elite herd before you can cause any damage.
In fact, the very reason for the diversity and variety of these clubs, is to keep the public guessing and to offer skeptics a handy method for ridiculing any who pose dangerous questions.
In truth, they work together, for a common cause, exploiting a common resource.
Modern technology has made this global network vastly more efficient than at any time in the past, as was seen to be the case during the last bank scam where absolutely none of the perps was charged with so much as a traffic ticket.
"If p then q does not imply that if q then p. Just sayin."
True. No argument offered. It was merely an observation.
However, when only one explanation fits all the observed events, it is wiser to give that explanation at least a cursory examination, than to dismiss it out of hand, simply because it is not the explanation expected.
" is it possible that Tom Wheeler isn't a dingo? "
Well of course it's possible.
But so are ghosts, UFOs, Bigfoot(s), Honest Politicians, Honest Banksters, and a whole slew of other highly improbable things.
Mind you, I think everything on that list above is far more likely than Mister Wheeler being honestly concerned with protecting Net Neutrality.
I think he was hired for the job, for the same reason that Obama was hired to be POTUS - because he knows how to sound sincere and keep the rabble at bay, so his employers' real goal of screwing people over can take place undisturbed behind closed doors.
A Dingo, by any other name, would sound as sincere.
"Reuters got quite a lot of flak for the refusal to use the word "terrorist"."
Well yeah, and that was to be expected.
After all, "TERRORIST" is the finely tuned "meme" of the US Federal Government and it's to be used as often as possible and in as many situations as possible by all privately owned media outlets, in order for it to have the desired effect of making Americans hide under the bed and demand the Government protect them from the boogie man by stripping the US public of its constitutional and civil rights!
This situation is, however, quite the opposite methinks, as the US Federal Government in this case, wants nobody to ever use the word Torture in connection with the US Federal Government or its agencies...
Not even if you say the US Tortures Terrorists! :)
On the other hand, if, during the period directly following 9/11, the powers that be decided to secretly enact War Measure Laws, then and only then, would ALL government agencies actually BE above all the laws, and be able to act in any manner whatsoever, without any fear of any legal repercussions.
In fact, if War Measures Laws were in force, their actions would not even elicit a reprimand from the White House....
.....oh yeah, that's right.
None of the actions of Any Government Agency since 9/11 has elicited even a reprimand from the White House.
"the one thing i find so hard to understand is why the help being given"
I don't see how you could possibly be confused about Why Government does the bidding of the Undertainment Industry.
The Industry offers government members great chunks of money and promises of top level, high-paid employment in the industry, after the politicians leave government, in return for enacting the stupid laws that try and hold back the future.
Government members simply accept this money and the promise of employment and then dutifully enact the laws that the industry writes up for them, and then get hired by the Industry when they retire from government.
I dunno.... it sounds like standard operational procedures for any fascist run public incrimination and incarceration program designed to infiltrate all levels of public life and root out dissenters before they can threaten the powers that be.
I'm certain similar conditions were put into place during the reigns of every other dictatorial fascist government throughout human history, where fear of public uprising existed.
Unless of course, siting National Security, the government placed a 10 year gag order on all the suddenly unemployed owners of Yahoo, who then would face 20 years in prison and a half million dollar fine, if they spoke out about how the company failed - which the government's army of liars would deny vehemently and repeatedly on all news medias anyway.
And of course, the gag order would be "updated" every nine years to extend it to the legal limits of such orders, according to whatever legal limits they could create in the meantime - for national security reasons of course.
Fascists love to use the letter of the law against others, while avoiding the law altogether themselves, by placing themselves legally above the law.
And when all else fails, lie convincingly and often. :)
"But what kind of constitutional democracy are we living in when this kind of thing is considered to be perfectly acceptable by those in power?"
Oh! Oh! I know. I know the answer to that one!!
The kind of Constitutional Democracy where - through the use of a false flag operation posing as an attack by foreign terrorists, allowing the secret initiation of War Condition Laws - the Constitution has been secretly scrapped and the process of Democracy has been secretly replaced with an oligarchic cabal composed of national and multinational billionaire fascists!
Yup, it definitely looks like the Most Corrupt and Deceptive Administration In American History has picked the right man for the job once again.
Regardless of all the noise Wheeler has made about reigning in the industry, he has always stopped short of actually doing anything, and consistently declined to take the one road that might succeed in protecting Net Neutrality from the vultures.
Instead, he is either playing to the audience and pretending up till the last minute that he is on the public's side before throwing in the towel and letting the dinosaurs win the day, or he's just extorting the industry in the hopes of a greater under-the-table payoff, or a position on their Board of Directors when he retires from the FCC - a month or so after he lets them take over the web.
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Oh! Look over there!
Yet the NSA and other spook agencies, world wide, somehow managed to completely miss the entire birth, growth, and mobilization of ISIS - the Army of masked, black-clad, Die-Hard type Hollywood Super Terrorists, that manage to conveniently "prove" the need for enormously bloated Anti-Terrorist Budgets, Mass Public Surveillance programs and the continuation and escalation of the War On Terror, through their internet-posting of recorded atrocities.
This just in:
US Officials now say its quite obvious ISIS communicated its vital intelligence via smoke signals and hand-passed notes written on flash paper, during that time period, and may have used what officials are calling camel-drop sites, where messages were passed via strategically organized camel turd patterns left in the sand of specially designated water holes and camel parking lots.
As the un-named NSA official told reporters:
"These boys really know their shit."
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Don't Bogart that ISIS, my friend....
...Terror and Drugs."
Sadly, this is not exactly true.
Terror has been utilized many times by the USG in every war its participated in, such as the use of Napalm on civilian populations, and psyops, which is actually just Mil-Speak for Terrorism.
As for drugs, the US actually produced a film called Hemp For Victory at the beginning of WW2, to promote the growing of hemp for the making of cloth products like military uniforms.
And prior to the initiation of the political ploy known as the War on Drugs, most of the common drugs were in every day use throughout the USA.
Opiates such as laudinum (sp?), cannabis, and heroin were sold openly by retailers. The Bayer Company, for example, sold Heroin tablets for the relief of pain such as toothaches, and its pretty obvious where Coco Cola began its climb to fame. Look up the film Coke Anyday (sp?)
In fact, when the boys in office first began the War on Cannabis for the Petroleum Chemical industry, the medical pharmacopia was full of hemp based remedies, and American Doctors were kept in the dark about the prohibition of Cannabis, through the adoption of the Mexican slang word for hemp - marijuana. Doctors had no idea the USG was making cannabis illegal by criminalizing the unknown evil drug marijuana, until it was too late to do anything about it besides protest.
So no, we have not always been at war with Terror and Drugs.
And in my opinion, we are still not at war with either, since after decades of "War", the use of both has increased.
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Re: "How White your Teeth are Grandma.", said Little Red.
Total silence again!
I thought for sure someone would call me a racist at least. :)
C'est la vie.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
If you were also referring to the first part of the post, then all you're saying is:
That (if p then q) just because secretly enacted War Measures Laws would explain why the USG appears to be acting outside the law with impunity, it does not necessarily mean (if q then p) that the USG acting outside the law with impunity necessitates the secret enactment of War Measure laws.
Translated: "Might be. Might not be."
Hardly what I would call material for "a potentially productive conversation".
I did not state that this was written in stone.
I thought I'd made it quite clear that I offer conjecture based on extrapolation of current facts; not biblical revelations, and that I don't bother including the "may be" and "could be" phrases that apologize for propaganda and misinformation.
p equals q better than anything else I've seen offered.
That q does not absolutely prove p is a given, simply due to the secret nature of the entire subject matter.
I'm not at all sure what you mean by productive conversation, especially when the follow up negates the entire idea out of hand without even a hint as to rationale behind the claim.
"Yes, but of course this is not one of those times."
Translated: "Can't happen here. (Tongue in cheek)"
Perhaps we should simply agree to disagree, as this appears to be your sole basis for response to date.
I am more than willing to forgo any future discussions of this sort, and, I suspect, you are as well, since, unless you're gathering brownie points from some fan-group, it accomplishes nothing.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Your response is True, only if you ignore the first half of the comment which discusses the secret initiation of War Measures, which is of course, what I was referring to when I wrote: "However, when only one explanation fits all the observed events..."
If however, you ignore that and respond only to the part (not being reprimanded by the White House), as being what I meant by one explanation, then your response: (Yes, but of course this is not one of those times.), is quite accurate.
Slightly underhanded and misleading, but correct nonetheless. :)
You might want to leave that sort of thing to Whatever. He actually gets paid for it.
Note:
Apologies for all the brackets, but quotation marks and html are suddenly not working in the editor.
Quotes give me È, and html brackets give me ' and ".
Since Shift+Period (closing html bracket) gives me a quote character, I cut and pasted it above in the text, and used round brackets instead of using italics.
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Re:
The US public.
Probably just a coincidence...
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Re: Outrageous plotters as a place holder for real ones.
In my experience, the wealthy tend to gravitate towards each other naturally and while they do form groups with differing concepts of how best to utilize the power they jointly possess, they are all united in their desire to increase their own wealth exponentially and eternally, by any means at their disposal.
Regardless of their disparate ideologies, they work together in concert when it comes to fleecing the sheep.
In other words, the various Rich-dude clubs are only at odds with each other when they are NOT busy making their money, make more money and as long as they believe there is more than enough to go around, they will - like predators in the wild - inflict only the most minute harm upon one another during those times when they are not busy turning one dollar into three dollars.
Membership includes both the ancient families, such as Royalty, the Usurpers, and the Descendants of Royally commissioned Pirates, and the many newcomers such as the drug cartel and the corporate rich. If you're not up to their standard however, no amount of money will prevent them from removing you from the elite herd before you can cause any damage.
In fact, the very reason for the diversity and variety of these clubs, is to keep the public guessing and to offer skeptics a handy method for ridiculing any who pose dangerous questions.
In truth, they work together, for a common cause, exploiting a common resource.
Modern technology has made this global network vastly more efficient than at any time in the past, as was seen to be the case during the last bank scam where absolutely none of the perps was charged with so much as a traffic ticket.
Their diversity is their disguise.
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Re: Re: Re: Re:
True. No argument offered. It was merely an observation.
However, when only one explanation fits all the observed events, it is wiser to give that explanation at least a cursory examination, than to dismiss it out of hand, simply because it is not the explanation expected.
In my opinion only of course. :)
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Re:
Well of course it's possible.
But so are ghosts, UFOs, Bigfoot(s), Honest Politicians, Honest Banksters, and a whole slew of other highly improbable things.
Mind you, I think everything on that list above is far more likely than Mister Wheeler being honestly concerned with protecting Net Neutrality.
I think he was hired for the job, for the same reason that Obama was hired to be POTUS - because he knows how to sound sincere and keep the rabble at bay, so his employers' real goal of screwing people over can take place undisturbed behind closed doors.
A Dingo, by any other name, would sound as sincere.
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Re: Re: Natural Selection in Action part 2
Well yeah, and that was to be expected.
After all, "TERRORIST" is the finely tuned "meme" of the US Federal Government and it's to be used as often as possible and in as many situations as possible by all privately owned media outlets, in order for it to have the desired effect of making Americans hide under the bed and demand the Government protect them from the boogie man by stripping the US public of its constitutional and civil rights!
This situation is, however, quite the opposite methinks, as the US Federal Government in this case, wants nobody to ever use the word Torture in connection with the US Federal Government or its agencies...
Not even if you say the US Tortures Terrorists! :)
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Re: Re:
In fact, if War Measures Laws were in force, their actions would not even elicit a reprimand from the White House....
.....oh yeah, that's right.
None of the actions of Any Government Agency since 9/11 has elicited even a reprimand from the White House.
Go figger eh.
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Re: 1930's Germany all over again
Close, but no cookie.
Try this for size though:
Of course the government is doing these things to keep the members of the government and their friends and associates safe.... from us.
Now doesn't that explain their actions a whole lot better than what you said at the top.
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Re: Re:
Does anyone remember why Monopolies were once Illegal?
Does anyone know why Monopolies are no longer Illegal?
Wasn't it the Bible that mentions something about when the Merchant Becomes King, the shit hits the fan......
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Re:
I don't see how you could possibly be confused about Why Government does the bidding of the Undertainment Industry.
The Industry offers government members great chunks of money and promises of top level, high-paid employment in the industry, after the politicians leave government, in return for enacting the stupid laws that try and hold back the future.
Government members simply accept this money and the promise of employment and then dutifully enact the laws that the industry writes up for them, and then get hired by the Industry when they retire from government.
Where is the confusion??
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"How White your Teeth are Grandma.", said Little Red.
Hmm.... all ruled by English Speaking White Guys.....
Methinks all of the non-english speaking "rainbow" nations might want to start paying a little more attention to this matter than they have to date.
Looks like the Man has a Plan that Hitler might have happily approved of.
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SOP
I'm certain similar conditions were put into place during the reigns of every other dictatorial fascist government throughout human history, where fear of public uprising existed.
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Legal Misdirection
Otherwise known throughout history as:
"Divide and Conquer"
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Re: Let's Imagin
And of course, the gag order would be "updated" every nine years to extend it to the legal limits of such orders, according to whatever legal limits they could create in the meantime - for national security reasons of course.
Fascists love to use the letter of the law against others, while avoiding the law altogether themselves, by placing themselves legally above the law.
And when all else fails, lie convincingly and often. :)
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That's a trick question right....
Oh! Oh!
I know.
I know the answer to that one!!
The kind of Constitutional Democracy where - through the use of a false flag operation posing as an attack by foreign terrorists, allowing the secret initiation of War Condition Laws - the Constitution has been secretly scrapped and the process of Democracy has been secretly replaced with an oligarchic cabal composed of national and multinational billionaire fascists!
But hush.
Don't tell anyone, cuz, its a secret!
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Wheeler the Dealer. Nothing up my sleeve....
Regardless of all the noise Wheeler has made about reigning in the industry, he has always stopped short of actually doing anything, and consistently declined to take the one road that might succeed in protecting Net Neutrality from the vultures.
Instead, he is either playing to the audience and pretending up till the last minute that he is on the public's side before throwing in the towel and letting the dinosaurs win the day, or he's just extorting the industry in the hopes of a greater under-the-table payoff, or a position on their Board of Directors when he retires from the FCC - a month or so after he lets them take over the web.
Same old same old.
Move along now. Nothing to see here, folks.
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