Not surprisingly, this is upsetting EU officials, who realize that their data protection rules may be effectively meaningless if the US continues to take this rather expansive view of its own jurisdiction.
Given that bigger companies like Youtube, Twitter and Facebook already roll over when they get a DMCA takedown notice, do you really think that ISPs will be more scientific about it? You, sir, live in a dreamworld.
Let me accuse you of copyright infringement... Since accusation is more than enough for you, surely you wouldn't mind shelling over $35 to prove your innocense.
1) Can you assert that that comment wasn't by you?
2) Or that someone broke into your account and left that comment?
3) That you were authorized to make that comment that quite clearly infringed on my copyright?
4) That your comment was fair use of my copyright?
6) That your comment did not consist primarily of my copyrighted material (remember I only accuse you, so you don't necessarily know what kind of copyrighted material I'm talking about)
7) That my material was actually published before 1923 and therefore you could use it freely?
Hmmm, aside from a maybe at #6, you strike 0 for 6. Good luck, bye bye, see ya in the funny papers.
Ok, I'll have to say this and forgive my language, but FUCK this law.
I'll break the law willingly, gladly and proudly, especially unfair and horrible laws like this. It's called civil disobedience, and I'll proudly be civil disobedient. I will not follow these kinds of stupid orders. Fuck the law and those who defend it.
I never said that the younger generation will make it any better, but I do feel that right now a lot of people in office have no clue what's going on in the digital age.
It's just my feeling that we are dealing with the digital generation gap.
I might be wrong, but it's my feeling.
I never mentioned any age, so your assumption that I meant over 50 is your own.
And I agree, that there are older people who do understand what's going on, how the world is changing, but not many of them are in a position to influence things.
We see people and companies left and right actively trying to resist change. That's what I'm pointing to. And yes, I do feel that a large part of the older generation (and by this, I mean 30+) doesn't understand what's going on. (I'm 31 btw, so I'm including myself.) Or don't want things to change.
Change is inevitable, but it's going to be a long wait before things get better. Especially when we get atrociously bad laws like PROTECT IP, and ACTA etc. to try and prevent that change from happening.
no, the groinkick is not the intended effect, the giants just position their groins in front of it and wait for the other shoe to drop. To say nothing about mixing my metaphores.
Instead of the Quixotic fight against windmills, why not leverage this new technology? Learn about its uses (because it has many valid and valuable and potentially profitable uses), and then actually apply yourself to dealing with the 21st century, where the gatekeepers will have to take on a completely different role.
The rust to the bottom is done by the Goliaths, not by the Davids of our time.
Equating copyright infringement with theft makes your whole argument null and void, right off the bat.
Here's why it can't be the same:
Theft:
You have a dvd.
I steal that dvd.
You no longer have that dvd, because I have it.
Copyright infringement:
You have a dvd.
I make a copy of that dvd.
You still have that dvd, but now I have it too.
Here's something you don't take into consideration.
I recently downloaded a movie (Discworld's Going Postal), I just happened upon it, decided to try it out, see if I liked it.
I liked it, in fact, I liked it so much that I decided to buy it. Once in the store I found out that there was not one but 3 Discworld movies made by the same people. So I bought all three.
That's 3 sales out of 1 download. So erm, how much did they lose again from me downloading a movie (and thus commiting copyright infringment)? That's right, they didn't lose any money.
Here's another thing you don't take into consideration:
potential sales aren't sales.
I could create a product where I say that the potential sales will be millions, because people promised they'd buy it if I made it. But then no one bought it. Is anyone committing any crime? Can I cry foul and shout THEIVES!(sic)? No, because those 'potential sales' weren't really sales. I can't point to a ledger sheet and say: "Look at all the money that these people stole!"
Just because you COULD make money on something means that you SHOULD or even WOULD. No one is entitled to anything, I'm not entitled to your product (either for pay or for free), but you are not entitled to my money, if I don't think the product is worth the money.
How many times did you pay to see a movie only to find out that it was a horrible film, not worth your time or your money? How often did you wish you could go back to the cash register and demand your money back?
You can do that with certain physical products, like clothing, but not with opened DVDs, CDs and video games (and the only way to find out if the movie or cd is any good is by opening them and playing them), nor can you do that with cinema ticket stubs.
So for a lot of people, who don't have a lot of entertainment money to spend, the free alternative to find out if a movie or a cd is worth their time and money is an excellent way to save money.
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1) there are few gaps between supply and demand, the current piracy is one of opportunity and abilty, and not one of a shortage of supply. The only short of supply perhaps is the content at the price they want to pay (nothing).
The demand is unencumbered formats without the lying promos ("copyright is theft, and a criminal offense") beforehand, playable on the media center that I bought for my media consumption.
The supply to that demand from Big Media is not there. There's your market, right there!
I just want the movie and the music without all the bullshit. If I bought the dvd I don't want to be called a criminal, just because it might be possible that I'd copy/rip this dvd.
2) When faced with illegal activity, the incumbents try to work within the legal system to get relief. When that doesn't happen, they will often push for laws to clarify what the courts are unable to handle, or to remove untenable situations.
Push for laws is right, yeah, given that all around the world the Big Media corporations are trying to push the scales of the copyright balance in their favor.
Where you have secret treaties like ACTA that are written by the Big Media lobbyists, without any input from consumer groups. The latter should be a big player in the debate too, and they are being steadfastly ignored.
See why we have so little faith in that Big Media will do the right thing? It's because of their past and current actions.
3) Because this current situation is one of ease of piracy and not one that requires great skills, the who deal is different. They are hiding in plain view.
This is all down to Big Media's incompetence and unwillingness to change when Napster first arrived to the scene. That system was easy to administrate and control, because it was a heavy top-down structure. By prosecuting it, they made people aware of that avenue of getting their media, and made it go underground, up until the very decentralized systems we have today.
4) Again, it is only done because of the ease and lack of risk. It may ease the distribution, but in removing the economic incentives to create, may have a longer term negative effect on the amounts and / or quality of materials available.
Risk free? Hardly, as there are many scammers and virusses and stuff like that in the shady corners of the web you have to travel to, to get your stuff.
5) There is no central control, except perhaps in North Korea.
I think the IFPI and MPAA and RIAA and organisations like that will beg to differ.
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Not surprisingly, this is upsetting EU officials, who realize that their data protection rules may be effectively meaningless if the US continues to take this rather expansive view of its own jurisdiction.
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That's a nice and convenient loophole
It smells dodgy to me.
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Don't confuse the politicians with the people.
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Re: But this is EXACTLY what you wanted
1) Can you assert that that comment wasn't by you?
2) Or that someone broke into your account and left that comment?
3) That you were authorized to make that comment that quite clearly infringed on my copyright?
4) That your comment was fair use of my copyright?
6) That your comment did not consist primarily of my copyrighted material (remember I only accuse you, so you don't necessarily know what kind of copyrighted material I'm talking about)
7) That my material was actually published before 1923 and therefore you could use it freely?
Hmmm, aside from a maybe at #6, you strike 0 for 6. Good luck, bye bye, see ya in the funny papers.
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Let me swear for once.
I'll break the law willingly, gladly and proudly, especially unfair and horrible laws like this. It's called civil disobedience, and I'll proudly be civil disobedient. I will not follow these kinds of stupid orders. Fuck the law and those who defend it.
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Re: What does age have to do with it?
It's just my feeling that we are dealing with the digital generation gap.
I might be wrong, but it's my feeling.
I never mentioned any age, so your assumption that I meant over 50 is your own.
And I agree, that there are older people who do understand what's going on, how the world is changing, but not many of them are in a position to influence things.
We see people and companies left and right actively trying to resist change. That's what I'm pointing to. And yes, I do feel that a large part of the older generation (and by this, I mean 30+) doesn't understand what's going on. (I'm 31 btw, so I'm including myself.) Or don't want things to change.
Change is inevitable, but it's going to be a long wait before things get better. Especially when we get atrociously bad laws like PROTECT IP, and ACTA etc. to try and prevent that change from happening.
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Instead of the Quixotic fight against windmills, why not leverage this new technology? Learn about its uses (because it has many valid and valuable and potentially profitable uses), and then actually apply yourself to dealing with the 21st century, where the gatekeepers will have to take on a completely different role.
The rust to the bottom is done by the Goliaths, not by the Davids of our time.
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Here's why it can't be the same:
Theft:
You have a dvd.
I steal that dvd.
You no longer have that dvd, because I have it.
Copyright infringement:
You have a dvd.
I make a copy of that dvd.
You still have that dvd, but now I have it too.
Here's something you don't take into consideration.
I recently downloaded a movie (Discworld's Going Postal), I just happened upon it, decided to try it out, see if I liked it.
I liked it, in fact, I liked it so much that I decided to buy it. Once in the store I found out that there was not one but 3 Discworld movies made by the same people. So I bought all three.
That's 3 sales out of 1 download. So erm, how much did they lose again from me downloading a movie (and thus commiting copyright infringment)? That's right, they didn't lose any money.
Here's another thing you don't take into consideration:
potential sales aren't sales.
I could create a product where I say that the potential sales will be millions, because people promised they'd buy it if I made it. But then no one bought it. Is anyone committing any crime? Can I cry foul and shout THEIVES!(sic)? No, because those 'potential sales' weren't really sales. I can't point to a ledger sheet and say: "Look at all the money that these people stole!"
Just because you COULD make money on something means that you SHOULD or even WOULD. No one is entitled to anything, I'm not entitled to your product (either for pay or for free), but you are not entitled to my money, if I don't think the product is worth the money.
How many times did you pay to see a movie only to find out that it was a horrible film, not worth your time or your money? How often did you wish you could go back to the cash register and demand your money back?
You can do that with certain physical products, like clothing, but not with opened DVDs, CDs and video games (and the only way to find out if the movie or cd is any good is by opening them and playing them), nor can you do that with cinema ticket stubs.
So for a lot of people, who don't have a lot of entertainment money to spend, the free alternative to find out if a movie or a cd is worth their time and money is an excellent way to save money.
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The demand is unencumbered formats without the lying promos ("copyright is theft, and a criminal offense") beforehand, playable on the media center that I bought for my media consumption.
The supply to that demand from Big Media is not there. There's your market, right there!
I just want the movie and the music without all the bullshit. If I bought the dvd I don't want to be called a criminal, just because it might be possible that I'd copy/rip this dvd.
Push for laws is right, yeah, given that all around the world the Big Media corporations are trying to push the scales of the copyright balance in their favor.
Where you have secret treaties like ACTA that are written by the Big Media lobbyists, without any input from consumer groups. The latter should be a big player in the debate too, and they are being steadfastly ignored.
See why we have so little faith in that Big Media will do the right thing? It's because of their past and current actions.
This is all down to Big Media's incompetence and unwillingness to change when Napster first arrived to the scene. That system was easy to administrate and control, because it was a heavy top-down structure. By prosecuting it, they made people aware of that avenue of getting their media, and made it go underground, up until the very decentralized systems we have today.
Risk free? Hardly, as there are many scammers and virusses and stuff like that in the shady corners of the web you have to travel to, to get your stuff.
I think the IFPI and MPAA and RIAA and organisations like that will beg to differ.
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