This definitely smells like he exceeded his authorized access.
Unless they clarified what his access actually was, good luck to them in court when they try to prove it. Vague laws are bad (and often unconstitutional) laws.
That seems to be about their own recourse, and it doesn't seem like it would get very far. Frankly, I think they'd be dumb to try, but this is Apple we're talking about . . .
Actually, I asked myself the same question. A post about who owns the copyrights to photos taken by machines would be fascinating, and I might try to do one.
There's a big difference between using the existing programs on a display model and installing a new application on a display model.
How so? Can you explain this distinction?
You are surely in the minority with this opinion.
I don't think most reasonable people would assume that bringing up a NewEgg page on a Best Buy computer was a felony. Maybe you hang around a different group of people than I do.
are you referring to some particular legal point to justify why this would not be hacking?
It's not for me to justify why it wouldn't be hacking. It's for you to justify why it would be. Apple puts out computers for the use of public and even allows them to install things to those computers at will (both through the lack of any user restrictions and through store policy). If you can explain how doing so is "hacking", then by all means try. Vague assertions about how installing software suddenly makes a hacking charge possible is pretty silly unless you have something to back it up.
The Apple store is open to the public, in a public mall, with security cameras about, and your theory is that they had a reasonable expectation of privacy?
How "close-up" it was and where they thought it might or might not be posted to is irrelevant in a discussion about their expectation of being photographed.
Exactly. People seem to want to establish, through unsupported opinion no less, some line in the sand for the point at which the use of a publicly-available computer (with no predetermined usage agreement) becomes a federal offense worthy of prison time.
I have to wonder: If he had installed Microsoft Office, would everyone here be trying to send him to prison? I doubt it.
All that means is that people are trying to twist the law to hurt this guy because they think he did something uncouth, regardless of whether or not they really believe the law was broken.
Regardless of whether the intent was benign, it seems to me that the average person would consider it "hacking" if you installed software on a computer without the owner's express permission.
How do you differentiate that with simply using the computer without the owner's permission? As far as I know, you don't have to ask anyone at all to start poking around on them.
Say that someone updated a display model computer at Best Buy so that it displayed the better prices at competitor stores? You wouldn't consider this hacking because the computer happened to be in public?
The fact that there isn't any apparent law that they could charge him under would seem to support this.
It hasn't even been determined that Apple wants to charge him with something. Some IT security guy saw something suspicious and reported it to the authorities.
I don't know why everyone is jumping to the conclusion that Apple is amassing an army of lawyers to descend upon the guy in an attempt to "make him pay". Unless you know something I don't.
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Violating an infringement? Were they accused of copying porn or something?
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Unless they clarified what his access actually was, good luck to them in court when they try to prove it. Vague laws are bad (and often unconstitutional) laws.
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That seems to be about their own recourse, and it doesn't seem like it would get very far. Frankly, I think they'd be dumb to try, but this is Apple we're talking about . . .
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(Why the FBI can't do it, I don't know. There's probably quite a bit of overlap.)
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Crosses the line into what?
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How so? Can you explain this distinction?
You are surely in the minority with this opinion.
I don't think most reasonable people would assume that bringing up a NewEgg page on a Best Buy computer was a felony. Maybe you hang around a different group of people than I do.
are you referring to some particular legal point to justify why this would not be hacking?
It's not for me to justify why it wouldn't be hacking. It's for you to justify why it would be. Apple puts out computers for the use of public and even allows them to install things to those computers at will (both through the lack of any user restrictions and through store policy). If you can explain how doing so is "hacking", then by all means try. Vague assertions about how installing software suddenly makes a hacking charge possible is pretty silly unless you have something to back it up.
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How "close-up" it was and where they thought it might or might not be posted to is irrelevant in a discussion about their expectation of being photographed.
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I have to wonder: If he had installed Microsoft Office, would everyone here be trying to send him to prison? I doubt it.
All that means is that people are trying to twist the law to hurt this guy because they think he did something uncouth, regardless of whether or not they really believe the law was broken.
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Try showing up at WallMart with a camera crew sometime and see what happens.
They might toss you out, it's true. Apple didn't toss this guy out. How are the two related?
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How do you differentiate that with simply using the computer without the owner's permission? As far as I know, you don't have to ask anyone at all to start poking around on them.
Say that someone updated a display model computer at Best Buy so that it displayed the better prices at competitor stores? You wouldn't consider this hacking because the computer happened to be in public?
Correct.
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And I want a pony! I'd say we have about the same odds of getting what we want.
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It hasn't even been determined that Apple wants to charge him with something. Some IT security guy saw something suspicious and reported it to the authorities.
I don't know why everyone is jumping to the conclusion that Apple is amassing an army of lawyers to descend upon the guy in an attempt to "make him pay". Unless you know something I don't.
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