The goals of the two different approaches are often downright contradictory. One says music should be spread and enjoyed by all, the other says music should be spread by licensed distributors and enjoyed only by those who have paid for the privilege.
i think that if a musician takes the artistic approach, he will make artful music. if he takes the business approach, he will make commodity music that doesn't mean anything.
2. You're wrong about the news business. It's not about the news or about community. As Edward R. Murrow was told by his bosses, it's about selling soup. There's a reason why you never see exposes on shady car dealers in newspapers: they pay the rent with their huge ads. And there's a reason why the media bought into Bush's war in Iraq: that was good flag-waving business, which the advertisers wanted to be associated with.
that's the beauty of competition. when you have more than one outlet for news, there is a greater chance that you will get news from someone who isn't selling car ads. this is why blogs and comments on news stories is so important.
this is also why so many people want to keep the news business a one way street where the company broadcasts and the public listens instead of hosting a conversation about the subject.
That's fine if you're at the computer, but that's not the issue here. We're talking about the impact of GV on ATT's mobile plan.
there are SIP clients that run on mobile platforms and with the availability of web based voip clients for both GV and G5, the possibility exists to make and receive calls using the [supposedly] unlimited data plan or via wifi, effectively bypassing the use of your AT&T minutes or AT&T SMS.
i believe this possibility (or the specter of such a possibility) is the reason for apple blocking the GV mobile app.
GV calls you first, then the number you want to dial, then connects the two. So, you must ALREADY have phone service through some provider for this to work. And if it's ATT on a mobile phone, then it's going to use ATT minutes, even if you're going through GV.
GV will place calls to gizmo5 accounts. G5 has a web app so you can make receive calls via their web page, and a number of clients for operating systems and mobile phones.
i don't think they have an iphone app, but G5 uses SIP for it's VOIP protocol, so any SIP client should work for making and receiving calls.
you can integrate GV and G5 under your user preferences on the G5 website so you can automate going to the google talk website and have GV call your G5 account and the party you are calling up.
since this is all SIP, there is no PSTN termination and assuming you can find a working sip client, you could use GV+G5 to make and receive calls using the data option on your phone.
i have not tested this on an iphone, since i don't have one, but it works on my nokia N810 over wifi, and with my sipura ATA.
when there's a crime and a witness reports "they fled in a blue sedan," you check your data for a blue sedan in tiburon that day. it's not rocket science.
and how much does that cost? and what is the return on that investment?
Is anyone even using TPB anymore since they announced they were selling out?
hell yeah. i've been on a tear recently, grabbing stuff i always meant to get but never got around to, you know the big stuff: boxsets and discographies and whatnot, like the european top 100 from 1955 to 2005, 19 seasons of the simpsons, stuff like that.
that's the great thing about torrents. you can take down the tracker, but the torrents keep going :-)
Or perhaps it is because while they have a court victory, the weebles that run TPB are waddling around and doing everything except complying with the existing judgement?
and you're surprised by this? this is the patented "kazaa maneuver": sell the shell corporation to someone, move around europe for a while building something new (the "sale" was for commitment to future projects, not cash, keep that in mind) and sell that to pay your court fees.
but that doesn't really matter because filesharing will continue, unabated, forever. taking down napster didn't kill it, taking down kazaa didn't kill it, taking down oink didn't kill it, and taking down TPB won't kill it either, nor will taking down what replaces TPB, and neither will taking down what replaces the thing that replaces TPB.
so keep crying about the dirty pirates that don't listen, and then cry some more when the site is officially gone and nothing changes.
in this futuristic setting, the CIA has become a for-profit entity called the Central Intelligence Company and hires freelance surveillance agents called "stringers" observe and report activity that might be of interest. the idea hasn't panned out so well thanks to overzealous stringers who collect too much data:
"The CIC brass can't stand these guys because they upload staggering quantities of useless information to the database, on the off chance that some of it will eventually be useful. It's like writing down the license number of every car you see on your way to work each morning, just in case one of them will be involved in a hit-and-run accident. Even the CIC database can only hold so much garbage."
collecting data is easy, interpreting it is not. in the intelligence community this is known as collection and analysis, and in IT it's called logging and parsing. sure you can automate the search and format process (like IT groups do with server and network logs), but real analysis is still done mostly by humans, making it an expensive process.
this is why data mining and warehousing work for corporations, because they can profit from insights gained from analysis. just what kind of return is tiburon expecting to receive from collecting this data?
By convention, the name of a torrent file has the suffix .torrent. Torrent files have an "announce" section, which specifies the URL of the tracker, and an "info" section, containing (suggested) names for the files, their lengths, the piece length used, and a SHA-1 hash code for each piece, all of which are used by clients to verify the integrity of the data they receive.
md5 has been proven to produce collisions under certain circumstances and has been largely deprecated for important stuff like ssl certs in favor of sha1.
so it's pretty tough to inject bad stuff into good torrents. you can totally put up bad torents, but those just don't get seeded, and someone always identifies them as bad in the comments.
in all the terabytes of stuff i have downloaded, authorized and otherwise, the only "malware" i have found has been false positives from AV software over cracked binaries.
Geez, wake up - support files are often for average to ignorant end users, not for the upper 1% who have a clue.
wow. so we went from "i don't trust BT for mission critical things":
Plus honestly, would you install anything mission critical to your system that you downloaded off of a torrent site? You would have to be seriously into taking risks.
to "people are too stupid to use BT effectively".
have either of you worked for an IT department before? have you heard of this mystical activity known as "testing"?
see, when you work for a an IT department, you test things before you deploy them. you run new software on something that is not mission critical and see what happens before you apply it to something important.
it doesn't matter if the software in question was downloaded via bit torrent or hand delivered to you by bill gates himself; you have to test stuff to see if it is reliable before you can rely on it.
if you put *anything* into production without testing it properly, not only do you risk getting yourself and the people you report to fired, but there is also small but significant chance that you will get your ass kicked.
Remove the content, and what is google? An empty shell. They are entirely dependant on other people's information (to fill their search results and news pages).
the OP is right. google's product is search. if there is nothing to search for, google has no product.
all the google services, great tho they may be, are additional ways for google to get you to look at their ads.
is that product composed entirely of news? hell no.
is providing search with ads on top "stealing"? of course not.
that doesn't change the fact that a search engine needs people to search for stuff, AND it needs stuff out there for people to search for.
what the OP conveniently ignores is what google does to enable the publication and production of new content, i.e. blogger, youtube, google sites, google groups, web publishing features in google docs, sketchup, etc.
i think that free, effortless web publishing will come into play more and more as newspapers shrink and news types need a cheap convenient way to get their writing online.
google doesn't need news or news papers to survive because google's product is internet search, and in that context, news on the internet is just like any other content on the internet that needs people to find it.
therefore the implication that google benefits from other people's content is completely true. it IS in google's best interest for people to produce content, tons of it in fact, so much that you need some sort of tool to find and organize it for you.
Oh yeah, the pirating people would like you to think that, but really it is just about the pirates trying to find another way to steal stuff and be hidden.
i couldn't agree more. it's hard enough keeping my piratebay money hidden in offshore accounts as it is.
Quite honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the US government outright declared war on Antigua and invaded just because the country decided to ignore all IP and develop an industry on its own.
That hidden something and an illegal (or immoral) something are two completely different things. Do you want people to know you pick your nose? How about drinking 12 cups of coffee? Maybe that you like staring at the sky and making animal shapes out of clouds? Nothing illegal or immoral, just something that you don't want to talk about.
the best example of the need for privacy that i have seen is going to the bathroom.
everyone does it. absolutely everyone. there is absolutely nothing wrong with it, and yet not many of us want to do it in plain view of others.
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Re: Art vs. Business
i think that if a musician takes the artistic approach, he will make artful music. if he takes the business approach, he will make commodity music that doesn't mean anything.
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Re: Journal News
that's the beauty of competition. when you have more than one outlet for news, there is a greater chance that you will get news from someone who isn't selling car ads. this is why blogs and comments on news stories is so important.
this is also why so many people want to keep the news business a one way street where the company broadcasts and the public listens instead of hosting a conversation about the subject.
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does the label have to be correct?
sometimes i accidentally spell "New Kids On The Block" as "Child Pornography". i have an old label maker and the keys are right next to each other.
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Re: Re: Re: Misunderstanding about Google Voice
there are SIP clients that run on mobile platforms and with the availability of web based voip clients for both GV and G5, the possibility exists to make and receive calls using the [supposedly] unlimited data plan or via wifi, effectively bypassing the use of your AT&T minutes or AT&T SMS.
i believe this possibility (or the specter of such a possibility) is the reason for apple blocking the GV mobile app.
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Re: Misunderstanding about Google Voice
GV will place calls to gizmo5 accounts. G5 has a web app so you can make receive calls via their web page, and a number of clients for operating systems and mobile phones.
i don't think they have an iphone app, but G5 uses SIP for it's VOIP protocol, so any SIP client should work for making and receiving calls.
you can integrate GV and G5 under your user preferences on the G5 website so you can automate going to the google talk website and have GV call your G5 account and the party you are calling up.
since this is all SIP, there is no PSTN termination and assuming you can find a working sip client, you could use GV+G5 to make and receive calls using the data option on your phone.
i have not tested this on an iphone, since i don't have one, but it works on my nokia N810 over wifi, and with my sipura ATA.
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Re: Human Problem Solving Technique
it's a good thing that two year olds can't file lawsuits and bribe politicians.
there will be much lobbying and lawyering before this is settled.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Lineage, verifiable files, etc
i see what you did there. we hate on BT because professionals can't trust it, and we hate in BT because non-professionals are too stupid to use it.
yet, somehow it persists. this must be the setup for "all BT is good for is letting people steal shit from hollywood" argument, right?
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Re: Re: reminds me of "snow crash"
and how much does that cost? and what is the return on that investment?
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Re: nonsense
right. that has worked out fantastically well for the music, movie, software and video game industries.
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Re:
hell yeah. i've been on a tear recently, grabbing stuff i always meant to get but never got around to, you know the big stuff: boxsets and discographies and whatnot, like the european top 100 from 1955 to 2005, 19 seasons of the simpsons, stuff like that.
that's the great thing about torrents. you can take down the tracker, but the torrents keep going :-)
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Re:
and you're surprised by this? this is the patented "kazaa maneuver": sell the shell corporation to someone, move around europe for a while building something new (the "sale" was for commitment to future projects, not cash, keep that in mind) and sell that to pay your court fees.
but that doesn't really matter because filesharing will continue, unabated, forever. taking down napster didn't kill it, taking down kazaa didn't kill it, taking down oink didn't kill it, and taking down TPB won't kill it either, nor will taking down what replaces TPB, and neither will taking down what replaces the thing that replaces TPB.
so keep crying about the dirty pirates that don't listen, and then cry some more when the site is officially gone and nothing changes.
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Re:
find out how much the 40% of the camera tickets net for the city annually and offer to pay the city more than that amount for a year with no cameras.
speed cameras are about revenue, plain and simple. you want the cameras gone, you have to provide more revenue to the town than the cameras do.
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reminds me of "snow crash"
in this futuristic setting, the CIA has become a for-profit entity called the Central Intelligence Company and hires freelance surveillance agents called "stringers" observe and report activity that might be of interest. the idea hasn't panned out so well thanks to overzealous stringers who collect too much data:
"The CIC brass can't stand these guys because they upload staggering quantities of useless information to the database, on the off chance that some of it will eventually be useful. It's like writing down the license number of every car you see on your way to work each morning, just in case one of them will be involved in a hit-and-run accident. Even the CIC database can only hold so much garbage."
collecting data is easy, interpreting it is not. in the intelligence community this is known as collection and analysis, and in IT it's called logging and parsing. sure you can automate the search and format process (like IT groups do with server and network logs), but real analysis is still done mostly by humans, making it an expensive process.
this is why data mining and warehousing work for corporations, because they can profit from insights gained from analysis. just what kind of return is tiburon expecting to receive from collecting this data?
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Re: Re: Re: Re:
a checksum after it receives each chunk.
per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_(protocol)
By convention, the name of a torrent file has the suffix .torrent. Torrent files have an "announce" section, which specifies the URL of the tracker, and an "info" section, containing (suggested) names for the files, their lengths, the piece length used, and a SHA-1 hash code for each piece, all of which are used by clients to verify the integrity of the data they receive.
md5 has been proven to produce collisions under certain circumstances and has been largely deprecated for important stuff like ssl certs in favor of sha1.
so it's pretty tough to inject bad stuff into good torrents. you can totally put up bad torents, but those just don't get seeded, and someone always identifies them as bad in the comments.
in all the terabytes of stuff i have downloaded, authorized and otherwise, the only "malware" i have found has been false positives from AV software over cracked binaries.
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Re: Re: Lineage, verifiable files, etc
wow. so we went from "i don't trust BT for mission critical things":
Plus honestly, would you install anything mission critical to your system that you downloaded off of a torrent site? You would have to be seriously into taking risks.
to "people are too stupid to use BT effectively".
have either of you worked for an IT department before? have you heard of this mystical activity known as "testing"?
see, when you work for a an IT department, you test things before you deploy them. you run new software on something that is not mission critical and see what happens before you apply it to something important.
it doesn't matter if the software in question was downloaded via bit torrent or hand delivered to you by bill gates himself; you have to test stuff to see if it is reliable before you can rely on it.
if you put *anything* into production without testing it properly, not only do you risk getting yourself and the people you report to fired, but there is also small but significant chance that you will get your ass kicked.
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Re: IP maximalists...
they want it both ways:
IP is real property, infringement is theft.
IP is not real property, so the doctrine of first sale does not apply.
conversely:
if IP is real property, then i can do what i want with IP that i have purchased, just like real property.
if IP is not real property, then it's not theft and the punishment for non-commercial infringement should be commensurate with the losses suffered.
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Re:
the OP is right. google's product is search. if there is nothing to search for, google has no product.
all the google services, great tho they may be, are additional ways for google to get you to look at their ads.
is that product composed entirely of news? hell no.
is providing search with ads on top "stealing"? of course not.
that doesn't change the fact that a search engine needs people to search for stuff, AND it needs stuff out there for people to search for.
what the OP conveniently ignores is what google does to enable the publication and production of new content, i.e. blogger, youtube, google sites, google groups, web publishing features in google docs, sketchup, etc.
i think that free, effortless web publishing will come into play more and more as newspapers shrink and news types need a cheap convenient way to get their writing online.
google doesn't need news or news papers to survive because google's product is internet search, and in that context, news on the internet is just like any other content on the internet that needs people to find it.
therefore the implication that google benefits from other people's content is completely true. it IS in google's best interest for people to produce content, tons of it in fact, so much that you need some sort of tool to find and organize it for you.
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Re: Re: Re:
i couldn't agree more. it's hard enough keeping my piratebay money hidden in offshore accounts as it is.
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Re: I'm all for this
it would probably look a lot like this:
http://craphound.com/overclocked/Cory_Doctorow_-_Overclocked_-_After_the_Siege.html
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Re: a good us vs. them argument
the best example of the need for privacy that i have seen is going to the bathroom.
everyone does it. absolutely everyone. there is absolutely nothing wrong with it, and yet not many of us want to do it in plain view of others.
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