Yeah, it's definitely an imperfect document, and many of our judges are idiots. However, I stand by my reply to Darryl's insanity, if only because it's funny.
I agree with the ruling. It's within the Mandatory Restitution for Sexual Exploitation of Children Act. I think that the Act itself has issues, such as determining damages and determining intent (as I mentioned above with the lack of birth date tattoos on the female of the species).
Especially if the children look mature. I mean, how are you supposed to know how old someone with hips and breasts really is? We don't exactly have our birth dates tattooed on us.
Okay, people, as hilarious as this thread is, it's not realistic.
First, at no point did I outline my ideal or Utopian world. Griff said that he favored a world with no guns. I stated the opposite. In other words, assuming that people are the assholes that we all know they are (including myself), letting everyone have a gun is the way to go.
Next, I don't believe that people would be silent or feel threatened because of the presence of guns. You know why? Because they have guns as well. In the real world, when I don't carry an exposed weapon, my almost-five-foot-tall self is an obvious target to anyone who dislikes my speech, or even just my looks, and happens to be bigger than me. That's everyone over the age of 12. (Short people have plenty of reasons to live, by the way. :P)
In addition, I'm from Texas and live in Oklahoma, and have seen weapon saturation first-hand. Based on my experience, that's my opinion. I'm sticking with it until I see otherwise.
Last, in a practical sense, this is nothing like Gatlin's premise. Much more like Beyond This Horizon. (So I ♥ Heinlein. Shoot me.)
Americans, when in doubt, hide behind the constitution !!. Seems to be the common cry here.
Actually, the Human Rights Declaration is more encompassing that our Constitution, so it looks as though it's not limited to Americans. In addition, the Constitution isn't very large, and would be hard to hide behind. It’s something like 24” x 30”.
If you read these comments, one, the consitiution was a "God Given" right.
No, its not..
Yes, yes, is does. A God-given right is the same as a natural right, or a right that is self-evident and/or inalienable. Natural rights, also called inalienable rights, are considered to be self-evident and universal. And you might want to consider reading our Constitution, in it's entirety, including the Bill of Rights and Amendments, before arguing with me about this.
two, the constitution allows you to do and say whatever you like, 'freedom of speech' means you can say ANYTHING, ANYWHERE is complete immunity..
No, it doesn't. Freedom of speech is a term used to describe our freedom to express ourselves without censorship by the government. 'Freedom of speech' doesn't mean that I can stand on my neighbor's lawn and yell about religion. It does mean that I can stand on the courthouse lawn and yell about religion.
NO, it does not..
Yes, it does.
With guns, sure issue every American on birth a gun no make it 4 guns, loaded and the safety off.
That would go a long way to fixing your healthcare problems, you're massive unemployment, and certinly reduct population growth.
What's your problem with that scenario?
And yes, a Gun is a 'tool' for ONE PURPOSE, its kills whatever you point it at, when you pull the trigger. A knife, or a stick, or a car is not primarily a weapon, as has been said, (if you can understand) they have other usefull purposes.
That's incorrect. Guns can be used to take command, and to wound or maim, and frequently are. Despite what you may have seen on TV, it's hard to kill someone with a gun.
Regardless, even when used as a tool of death, it is still a useful tool. Personally, I'm looking forward to the deer that my husband is hoping to drop this month, and I liked eating the squirrel that my 9-year-old shot last month. (I don't recommend squirrel and dumplings, by the way. Try 'em in chili, instead.)
Yum, meat.
Here in Australia we dont allow people to carry guns, or knives or weapons.
Really? That's funny, because one-third of your murders are committed with firearms. Can Australians shoot bullets with their minds now? (I’ll bet David Thorne can.)
And since you claim that no one has knifes or other weapons, I have to ask: Are the rest of your murders poisonings or do Australians just make a habit of beating each other to death with their bare hands?
And our murder rate is VERY VERY low compared to the US.
Really? 0.042802 per 1,000 people vs. 0.0150324 murders for every 1,000 people is very, very large difference? No, not really. (And remember, one-third of those murders is committed with a firearm.)
Its clear with the amount of crime in the US that guns do not act as a deterrent to the committing of a crime.
The Constitution doesn't allow gun ownership for the purpose of deterring crime. It allows gun ownership for the purpose of deterring tyranny, like what you Aussies have over there.
So the only reason the you would want to carry a gun is so you can contribute to the terrible statistics that are caused by your hiding behind the consitution as a sheild to allow you to do what you like.
I'm confused. Are these 'horrible statistics' caused by guns or by a piece of paper? Are they not caused by people? And your statistics aren't very different. What are yours caused by?
Freedom of speech does NOT allow you to say what you like when you like, and the constitution does not allow you to 'carry' guns in the US.
Really? DC vs. Heller and a plethora of other cases disagree with you.
So the next time someone decides to fly a jet liner into a building in the US you will be all ok, because you will pull out your smith and western, and blow the bastards away..
No, that would take an anti-aircraft weapon, not a Smith & Wesson. Anyway, you’re missing the point. With guns, the next time that a tyrant (or a tyrannous people) steps up to a position of leadership and says, 'Give me your children.’, we'll be able to say, 'No.' and mean it, unlike what happened in Australia.
How did that work for you the last time.
How did not having firearms work for you last time? Oh, yeah. Badly. Very, very badly.
Ever wondered why the middle east hates the US so much ??
No, not really. Not any more than I wonder why so many Americans hate the Middle East.
Ever wondered why most of the world looks at the US with an attitude that 'the US hopefully will grow up one day, and consider that the US is not the center of the universe'.
I'm pretty sure that we have no idea where the center of the universe is, and that most super-powers don't go around arbitrarily wishing that other super-powers weren't super-powers. Also, that your funny statement has no bearing on the rest of your funny rant.
The US is becoming more and more of an international embarrasment and a joke. You cant seem to manage your own finances, or healthcare, but you can find $10 billion a month to fight a war in the middle east, but its citizens cannot affort to buy or keep their houses.
Katrina, what a joke, we were watching 100,000 people stranded at the sport stadium LIVE in Australia, and at the same time watching Bush and his mate saying there was not a problem there.
As if they cannot even see a TV, im the other side of the world and I could see what was going on better than your president !!!!.
So much for your high tech spy satellites, where are they, why could not not be tasked to check levy breaks ?
IF they claim they can read number plates from outer space but can see what is happening in New Orleans.
Wow, that was wildly incoherent. You went from 'The Constitution sucks.' to 'Guns suck.' to 'America sucks.' to ‘Science sucks.’. Are you compensating for something? Maybe you should go play some Alien or watch some porn with hot B-cup chicks.
Oh, wait. Right. Sorry, mate.
What do you think that shows the world about the 'great' US ?
It says that I can play Aliens and watch porn with hot B-cup chicks. :) Yay, freedom!
Also, it doesn't say anything at all about our Constitution or firearms.
There is no 'gun argument' all you have to do is find out what is happening in your world, and in THE world.
Apparently, there is.
If you think owning guns makes you safer that is great, prove it, there is more than enough statistics to clearly show that guns are not safer than not having guns, BY A LONG WAY..
Well, owning guns would have made a big difference to the tyrants that stole aboriginal children. If the aborigines had guns (Well, a few did, but no ammo, so…), then the Stolen Generations might never have been stolen, and then beaten, raped, and sold.
As someone allready made the comparison between the US and Canada. Its a no brainer..
IF it is a no brainer, what does that say about Americans ?
That we’re smarter than one particular Australian?
As for the video's its not free speech, its not freedom of religion, its terrorism, its scaring people. And having access to a person being decapitated IS NOT YOUR FREAKING RIGHT.. Even if for some reason you would even want too.
Well, that depends on a lot of factors.
First, is it newsworthy? If it is – and decapitation probably would be – then it would be protected speech, although in horrible taste. Of course, the United States isn’t alone in its horrible taste. Europe, South America, and the Middle East have all had centuries to refine their taste for gore and violence. We’re really just babies at it.
Next, who shot the video? If the person taking the video has a release from the person in the video, and they sell me a copy, then yes, I would have the right to watch it. We televise some of our executions, as well, you know. (And, again, remember that Australia has killed [publicly] many more people that we have, and for lesser offenses such as burglary and ‘being illegally at large’. What the hell was up with that, by the way?)
Last, death news clips and videos are popular all over the world. Is this disgusting? Yes. It is common? Yes. Personally, I have never seen the death of another human being. I didn’t watch the video of the Middle Eastern woman being shot. I didn’t watch the shark maul the swimmer. I don’t watch news clips of death.
Regardless, I understand that these things are an important part of our cultural history and shouldn’t be eliminated because some ignorant fool is offended by their existence.
As someone said, child porn is banned too, why not fight that with your free speech rubbish ??
Why differentiate ??
Ahh, child pornography. Well, child pornography, Australia-style, is not illegal in America. If Olivia Wilde wants to pose nude or topless (and she has), that’s just fine with us. But if Olivia Wilde’s ten-year-old sister were to pose nude or topless, that’s not generally okay. Note the word ‘generally’.
You see, rights aren’t perfect and separate from one another. They collide frequently, such as one person’s right to copy protection interfering with my right to a free press, and one person’s right to expression interfering with a child’s right to physical protection, etc. For the most part, physical protection of a minor almost always trumps expression, except when it doesn’t. (We’re looking at you, Brooke Shields.)
The beauty of America is that we have many learned judges to weigh the rights of all parties in each case, instead of one sad, old man telling adults that they can’t look at Olivia Wilde’s wonderful chest.
I favor a world that makes sense, which is a world in which we monitor felons to make sure that they aren't violating the law and owning firearms, and gun owners are required to take a short safety test.
You see, most gun violence is committed by felons and people awaiting trial for felony charges. (Unless something has changed since my extensive research for a school report.) In addition, areas that have banned firearms have seen huge increases in bludgeoning deaths. So... yeah. Still plenty of deaths and injuries.
Really, my ideal world is one in which the majority of people openly carry weapons. Children grow up with weapon safety, and everyone's really, really polite. :P
If you're talking about grandstanding, then what was the point? That's what the article was about.
As for the rest of your explanation, it kinda sucks, too.
Heroin is not available in the supermarket because it is illegal.
Guns are available at the supermarket, even to many criminals, or people who will become criminals.
In America, terrorist videos are not illegal.
They might be in the UK. It depends on who you ask. It seems like their limits on speech are in violation of the Human Right Declaration that they signed, but I don't have all of the details there.
Actually, there are plenty of death and injury videos on YouTube. Many of them are news clips. They all have high views, so it seems that many people do, in fact, derive some value from this type of video.
Of course, in America, and in many other parts of the world, it is our God-given, or human, right to express our views, and to hear others expressing theirs.
It's that whole crazy Constitution thing, plus, you know, that Universal Declaration thing, whatever. It's not important, anyway, I guess.
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It was a hilarious thread.
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But when I was twelve, I looked like I was twenty. I got hit on alot. So I can see some unintended future consequences here...
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First, at no point did I outline my ideal or Utopian world. Griff said that he favored a world with no guns. I stated the opposite. In other words, assuming that people are the assholes that we all know they are (including myself), letting everyone have a gun is the way to go.
Next, I don't believe that people would be silent or feel threatened because of the presence of guns. You know why? Because they have guns as well. In the real world, when I don't carry an exposed weapon, my almost-five-foot-tall self is an obvious target to anyone who dislikes my speech, or even just my looks, and happens to be bigger than me. That's everyone over the age of 12. (Short people have plenty of reasons to live, by the way. :P)
In addition, I'm from Texas and live in Oklahoma, and have seen weapon saturation first-hand. Based on my experience, that's my opinion. I'm sticking with it until I see otherwise.
Last, in a practical sense, this is nothing like Gatlin's premise. Much more like Beyond This Horizon. (So I ♥ Heinlein. Shoot me.)
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Remember that Canadians are just much politer than American's are, and shooing someone is rude, eh?
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Thanksgiving is going to rock this year.
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Oh, wait. Guns are like other weapons.
Also, the appropriate place for a gun is not in a bar.
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Actually, the Human Rights Declaration is more encompassing that our Constitution, so it looks as though it's not limited to Americans. In addition, the Constitution isn't very large, and would be hard to hide behind. It’s something like 24” x 30”.
If you read these comments, one, the consitiution was a "God Given" right.
No, its not..
Yes, yes, is does. A God-given right is the same as a natural right, or a right that is self-evident and/or inalienable. Natural rights, also called inalienable rights, are considered to be self-evident and universal. And you might want to consider reading our Constitution, in it's entirety, including the Bill of Rights and Amendments, before arguing with me about this.
two, the constitution allows you to do and say whatever you like, 'freedom of speech' means you can say ANYTHING, ANYWHERE is complete immunity..
No, it doesn't. Freedom of speech is a term used to describe our freedom to express ourselves without censorship by the government. 'Freedom of speech' doesn't mean that I can stand on my neighbor's lawn and yell about religion. It does mean that I can stand on the courthouse lawn and yell about religion.
NO, it does not..
Yes, it does.
With guns, sure issue every American on birth a gun no make it 4 guns, loaded and the safety off.
That would go a long way to fixing your healthcare problems, you're massive unemployment, and certinly reduct population growth.
What's your problem with that scenario?
And yes, a Gun is a 'tool' for ONE PURPOSE, its kills whatever you point it at, when you pull the trigger. A knife, or a stick, or a car is not primarily a weapon, as has been said, (if you can understand) they have other usefull purposes.
That's incorrect. Guns can be used to take command, and to wound or maim, and frequently are. Despite what you may have seen on TV, it's hard to kill someone with a gun.
Regardless, even when used as a tool of death, it is still a useful tool. Personally, I'm looking forward to the deer that my husband is hoping to drop this month, and I liked eating the squirrel that my 9-year-old shot last month. (I don't recommend squirrel and dumplings, by the way. Try 'em in chili, instead.)
Yum, meat.
Here in Australia we dont allow people to carry guns, or knives or weapons.
Really? That's funny, because one-third of your murders are committed with firearms. Can Australians shoot bullets with their minds now? (I’ll bet David Thorne can.)
And since you claim that no one has knifes or other weapons, I have to ask: Are the rest of your murders poisonings or do Australians just make a habit of beating each other to death with their bare hands?
And our murder rate is VERY VERY low compared to the US.
Really? 0.042802 per 1,000 people vs. 0.0150324 murders for every 1,000 people is very, very large difference? No, not really. (And remember, one-third of those murders is committed with a firearm.)
Its clear with the amount of crime in the US that guns do not act as a deterrent to the committing of a crime.
The Constitution doesn't allow gun ownership for the purpose of deterring crime. It allows gun ownership for the purpose of deterring tyranny, like what you Aussies have over there.
So the only reason the you would want to carry a gun is so you can contribute to the terrible statistics that are caused by your hiding behind the consitution as a sheild to allow you to do what you like.
I'm confused. Are these 'horrible statistics' caused by guns or by a piece of paper? Are they not caused by people? And your statistics aren't very different. What are yours caused by?
Freedom of speech does NOT allow you to say what you like when you like, and the constitution does not allow you to 'carry' guns in the US.
Really? DC vs. Heller and a plethora of other cases disagree with you.
So the next time someone decides to fly a jet liner into a building in the US you will be all ok, because you will pull out your smith and western, and blow the bastards away..
No, that would take an anti-aircraft weapon, not a Smith & Wesson. Anyway, you’re missing the point. With guns, the next time that a tyrant (or a tyrannous people) steps up to a position of leadership and says, 'Give me your children.’, we'll be able to say, 'No.' and mean it, unlike what happened in Australia.
How did that work for you the last time.
How did not having firearms work for you last time? Oh, yeah. Badly. Very, very badly.
Ever wondered why the middle east hates the US so much ??
No, not really. Not any more than I wonder why so many Americans hate the Middle East.
Ever wondered why most of the world looks at the US with an attitude that 'the US hopefully will grow up one day, and consider that the US is not the center of the universe'.
I'm pretty sure that we have no idea where the center of the universe is, and that most super-powers don't go around arbitrarily wishing that other super-powers weren't super-powers. Also, that your funny statement has no bearing on the rest of your funny rant.
The US is becoming more and more of an international embarrasment and a joke. You cant seem to manage your own finances, or healthcare, but you can find $10 billion a month to fight a war in the middle east, but its citizens cannot affort to buy or keep their houses.
Katrina, what a joke, we were watching 100,000 people stranded at the sport stadium LIVE in Australia, and at the same time watching Bush and his mate saying there was not a problem there.
As if they cannot even see a TV, im the other side of the world and I could see what was going on better than your president !!!!.
So much for your high tech spy satellites, where are they, why could not not be tasked to check levy breaks ?
IF they claim they can read number plates from outer space but can see what is happening in New Orleans.
Wow, that was wildly incoherent. You went from 'The Constitution sucks.' to 'Guns suck.' to 'America sucks.' to ‘Science sucks.’. Are you compensating for something? Maybe you should go play some Alien or watch some porn with hot B-cup chicks.
Oh, wait. Right. Sorry, mate.
What do you think that shows the world about the 'great' US ?
It says that I can play Aliens and watch porn with hot B-cup chicks. :) Yay, freedom!
Also, it doesn't say anything at all about our Constitution or firearms.
There is no 'gun argument' all you have to do is find out what is happening in your world, and in THE world.
Apparently, there is.
If you think owning guns makes you safer that is great, prove it, there is more than enough statistics to clearly show that guns are not safer than not having guns, BY A LONG WAY..
Well, owning guns would have made a big difference to the tyrants that stole aboriginal children. If the aborigines had guns (Well, a few did, but no ammo, so…), then the Stolen Generations might never have been stolen, and then beaten, raped, and sold.
As someone allready made the comparison between the US and Canada. Its a no brainer..
IF it is a no brainer, what does that say about Americans ?
That we’re smarter than one particular Australian?
As for the video's its not free speech, its not freedom of religion, its terrorism, its scaring people. And having access to a person being decapitated IS NOT YOUR FREAKING RIGHT.. Even if for some reason you would even want too.
Well, that depends on a lot of factors.
First, is it newsworthy? If it is – and decapitation probably would be – then it would be protected speech, although in horrible taste. Of course, the United States isn’t alone in its horrible taste. Europe, South America, and the Middle East have all had centuries to refine their taste for gore and violence. We’re really just babies at it.
Next, who shot the video? If the person taking the video has a release from the person in the video, and they sell me a copy, then yes, I would have the right to watch it. We televise some of our executions, as well, you know. (And, again, remember that Australia has killed [publicly] many more people that we have, and for lesser offenses such as burglary and ‘being illegally at large’. What the hell was up with that, by the way?)
Last, death news clips and videos are popular all over the world. Is this disgusting? Yes. It is common? Yes. Personally, I have never seen the death of another human being. I didn’t watch the video of the Middle Eastern woman being shot. I didn’t watch the shark maul the swimmer. I don’t watch news clips of death.
Regardless, I understand that these things are an important part of our cultural history and shouldn’t be eliminated because some ignorant fool is offended by their existence.
As someone said, child porn is banned too, why not fight that with your free speech rubbish ??
Why differentiate ??
Ahh, child pornography. Well, child pornography, Australia-style, is not illegal in America. If Olivia Wilde wants to pose nude or topless (and she has), that’s just fine with us. But if Olivia Wilde’s ten-year-old sister were to pose nude or topless, that’s not generally okay. Note the word ‘generally’.
You see, rights aren’t perfect and separate from one another. They collide frequently, such as one person’s right to copy protection interfering with my right to a free press, and one person’s right to expression interfering with a child’s right to physical protection, etc. For the most part, physical protection of a minor almost always trumps expression, except when it doesn’t. (We’re looking at you, Brooke Shields.)
The beauty of America is that we have many learned judges to weigh the rights of all parties in each case, instead of one sad, old man telling adults that they can’t look at Olivia Wilde’s wonderful chest.
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How to you explain the Constitution of the United Stated or the Human Rights Declaration signed by many other countries?
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You see, most gun violence is committed by felons and people awaiting trial for felony charges. (Unless something has changed since my extensive research for a school report.) In addition, areas that have banned firearms have seen huge increases in bludgeoning deaths. So... yeah. Still plenty of deaths and injuries.
Really, my ideal world is one in which the majority of people openly carry weapons. Children grow up with weapon safety, and everyone's really, really polite. :P
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Let's block things that are illegal and keep things that are legal. Terror videos are legal in the US and (maybe) in the UK.
Since we won't be wasting time and effort on videos, then we can implement the UK's own outline on ways to keep people from becoming radicalized.
Outcome? We don't do dumb things, and actually address the problem. :)
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As for the rest of your explanation, it kinda sucks, too.
Heroin is not available in the supermarket because it is illegal.
Guns are available at the supermarket, even to many criminals, or people who will become criminals.
In America, terrorist videos are not illegal.
They might be in the UK. It depends on who you ask. It seems like their limits on speech are in violation of the Human Right Declaration that they signed, but I don't have all of the details there.
Alot of your assumptions are pretty... incorrect.
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Of course, in America, and in many other parts of the world, it is our God-given, or human, right to express our views, and to hear others expressing theirs.
It's that whole crazy Constitution thing, plus, you know, that Universal Declaration thing, whatever. It's not important, anyway, I guess.
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In other words, limited speech that you don't like is limited.
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