Counter-speech only works when it's being issued at the same level as the speech it's aimed at. Otherwise you have a water pistol V machine gun situation where the counter-speech is drowned out by the hate speech.
I had a bit of a barney with another poster last week; his speech was equal to mine in terms of volume, I didn't have multiple posters wailing on me so my counter-speech did the job. No harm, no foul, no complaint to make.
What happens when there's a torrent of abuse against a person that goes real life and there's no one to stand with the victim for fear of being victimised themselves? I've been in that situation. Not fun. And there's no easy answer. You can't just ignore it when they're contacting your employers, your family, and other people you interact with.
A decent education gives you the opportunity to engage more fully in the job market than if you only had manual skills because you couldn't read, write, or do maths.
Effecting such a change requires that people get politically engaged, but when campaign fatigue sets in easily if "da peeple" don't get their way at once, good luck with that.
This is why we keep getting advocates for violent revolution popping up in the comments. They want a quick fix, but as Chip keeps pointing out, we're not willing to band together and work together to make that happen.
If, in the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king, in the democracy of the free, the organised are in control.
Re: An advocate general with cognitive dissonance, lovely
When you consider what this is about -- a butthurt politician whining about being called "a corrupt oaf," it's even more ridiculous. She should have been told, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."
More pedantically, why does the Maslow model fail the very rich? Without a kick in the pants, they universally lose interest in the greater community.
It's because, once they get ridiculously rich, two things happen.
They worry that the people around them who have less than they do aren't really their friends, they only want to be around them for the money, so they get a bit paranoid. It doesn't help that this is often true.
They develop a sense of entitlement and delusions of grandeur in which they are far above the smallfolk like ourselves. They convince themselves that they deserve their vast wealth and that anyone who wants a part of it is basically a thief trying to rob them -- and thereby drag them down to smallfolk status.
The kick in the pants is usually effective when it threatens their sense of worth and value; in Carnegie and Nobel's case, they liked to think of themselves as universally beloved good people. When that was proven untrue, they went into PR overdrive to present themselves as universally beloved good people.
We need to kick 'em in a different way when their sense of worth and value is predicated on a self-image as a shark with attitude.
Re: Curiously, Alex Schmidt made a similar observation.
In my experience, the ad trackers use keywords from your postings on the internet. So if you mention web design you'll get targeted with ads for hosting services, etc.
These are irrelevant to me because I've not been involved in that line of work for years, yet they serve them up with gleeful abandon. Even when I was in the trade I didn't need more hosting, I needed more tools. Targeting only works where the advertiser is meeting the person's need. It's when they're aiming to meet their own need to make money that the failure begins. I'm not interested in what they want, but what I want.
Not much; most of it is automated (to block obvious spambots selling knock-off sunglasses, etc.) and there's a flag button (the red one) so people like you and I can hide comments we don't like.
here are some dumbasses here, but it's really a pretty good comments section.
I concur. It can take me days to read through a few posts because I venture into the comments every time to see if there's a worthwhile, genuinely insightful post in there. I usually find several.
While I'm as guilty as hell of pulling discourse off-topic in response to a statement made in someone's comment from time to time, I do try to be respectful enough to avoid completely derailing the discussion. I'm sorry if I don't always succeed.
What credibility? All I see is a whining fool who makes a point of being rude to everybody and wailing that the admins are out to get him when we hide his comments.
If the TD comments section is a cesspit, why would anyone keep returning?
The only thing making it any kind of a bad experience is the trolls who come to whine that their off-topic, negative comments are being hidden by people like me who would rather not see their whining, narcissistic cant while trying to get to the comments that are actually worth reading.
San Francisco, along with other big cities, has a homeless population and sod all is being done to actually house them. I fall over homeless people all the time. Now one of the many things done to "discourage" them is to ban them from using the restrooms in pubs, etc. Result: phone boxes used as toilets.
Until the powers that be decide that actually housing people is the best solution to homelessness (it's actually cheaper!), this will continue. They don't have to be fancy -- student-style shared accommodation will do for single people.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Crowder is an asshole?
What Paul says.
Counter-speech only works when it's being issued at the same level as the speech it's aimed at. Otherwise you have a water pistol V machine gun situation where the counter-speech is drowned out by the hate speech.
I had a bit of a barney with another poster last week; his speech was equal to mine in terms of volume, I didn't have multiple posters wailing on me so my counter-speech did the job. No harm, no foul, no complaint to make.
What happens when there's a torrent of abuse against a person that goes real life and there's no one to stand with the victim for fear of being victimised themselves? I've been in that situation. Not fun. And there's no easy answer. You can't just ignore it when they're contacting your employers, your family, and other people you interact with.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: wrong lessons
Why is ignorance important to you?
A decent education gives you the opportunity to engage more fully in the job market than if you only had manual skills because you couldn't read, write, or do maths.
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Re: Not believing.
Effecting such a change requires that people get politically engaged, but when campaign fatigue sets in easily if "da peeple" don't get their way at once, good luck with that.
This is why we keep getting advocates for violent revolution popping up in the comments. They want a quick fix, but as Chip keeps pointing out, we're not willing to band together and work together to make that happen.
If, in the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king, in the democracy of the free, the organised are in control.
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Re: An advocate general with cognitive dissonance, lovely
When you consider what this is about -- a butthurt politician whining about being called "a corrupt oaf," it's even more ridiculous. She should have been told, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."
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Re: Greedy assholes
More pedantically, why does the Maslow model fail the very rich? Without a kick in the pants, they universally lose interest in the greater community.
It's because, once they get ridiculously rich, two things happen.
They worry that the people around them who have less than they do aren't really their friends, they only want to be around them for the money, so they get a bit paranoid. It doesn't help that this is often true.
The kick in the pants is usually effective when it threatens their sense of worth and value; in Carnegie and Nobel's case, they liked to think of themselves as universally beloved good people. When that was proven untrue, they went into PR overdrive to present themselves as universally beloved good people.
We need to kick 'em in a different way when their sense of worth and value is predicated on a self-image as a shark with attitude.
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Re: 'That's a pile of crap... that I will now proceed to wallow
Indeed. I really don't understand the troll mentality. All they want to do is spoil a good thing for the rest of us.
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Re: Re: No Written Constitution
Thanks, Thad. Nice summary, and all correct.
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Re: Can we pet the hipsters?
You're on a roll today, Uriel.
I hope it's not too latte to get my own joke in.
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Re: "what ever happened to the McHammer?"
LOL! Good one!!
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Re: Curiously, Alex Schmidt made a similar observation.
In my experience, the ad trackers use keywords from your postings on the internet. So if you mention web design you'll get targeted with ads for hosting services, etc.
These are irrelevant to me because I've not been involved in that line of work for years, yet they serve them up with gleeful abandon. Even when I was in the trade I didn't need more hosting, I needed more tools. Targeting only works where the advertiser is meeting the person's need. It's when they're aiming to meet their own need to make money that the failure begins. I'm not interested in what they want, but what I want.
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Re:
Not much; most of it is automated (to block obvious spambots selling knock-off sunglasses, etc.) and there's a flag button (the red one) so people like you and I can hide comments we don't like.
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Re: Re: Breaking News, Read all about it (if you can)
That's because they blotted their copybook by not being a reliable news source.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41087659
Hence the low viewer figures.
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Re: Re: Re: Re:
here are some dumbasses here, but it's really a pretty good comments section.
I concur. It can take me days to read through a few posts because I venture into the comments every time to see if there's a worthwhile, genuinely insightful post in there. I usually find several.
While I'm as guilty as hell of pulling discourse off-topic in response to a statement made in someone's comment from time to time, I do try to be respectful enough to avoid completely derailing the discussion. I'm sorry if I don't always succeed.
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Re: Re: Re: Techdirt Community
What credibility? All I see is a whining fool who makes a point of being rude to everybody and wailing that the admins are out to get him when we hide his comments.
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Re: Re: Re: Techdirt Community
If the TD comments section is a cesspit, why would anyone keep returning?
The only thing making it any kind of a bad experience is the trolls who come to whine that their off-topic, negative comments are being hidden by people like me who would rather not see their whining, narcissistic cant while trying to get to the comments that are actually worth reading.
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Re: Re: Re: You just did. Right there. In the same sentence.
Yep. I've had my moments of heated discussion but generally get along with members of the community, even the ones I disagree with.
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Re: Re: Re: (claimed causation)
I live in Manchester in the UK, BTW.
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Re: Re: (claimed causation)
San Francisco, along with other big cities, has a homeless population and sod all is being done to actually house them. I fall over homeless people all the time. Now one of the many things done to "discourage" them is to ban them from using the restrooms in pubs, etc. Result: phone boxes used as toilets.
Until the powers that be decide that actually housing people is the best solution to homelessness (it's actually cheaper!), this will continue. They don't have to be fancy -- student-style shared accommodation will do for single people.
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Re: Re:
Yep.
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Re: Re:
^This.
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