"isn't it a bit hypocritical for pirates (and your kind) to decry "Hollywood accounting" at every turn and label everyone who doesn't denounce it as "legacy entertainment players", yet every opportunity it gets, pirates (and your kind) actively go out of their way to ACTUALLY steal profits from the artists or cheat them out of monies due."
You don't seem to understand how logic works. Let me try to help.
In a logical debate, it is incumbent on the side making an assertion to adhere to both provide evidence for that assertion and to behave upon it. The assertion in this regard is "Anything that deprives money from content owners that is unethical is wrong" and it is made chiefly by the content industry. In this way, the content industry has either failed, or mostly failed, both tests of its position in that it:
1. Engages in unethical behavior themselves, and
2. Has yet to provide empirical evidence for their claim that withstands scrutiny
It is NOT incumbent on respondents to the claim to either behave based on the assertion or provide evidence to its contrary. The only task for the respondents is to malign any bad evidence.
So we'll all thank you for not trying to hold our side of the debate to the incorrect standard. Now, if you want to debate the assertion "Piracy is a good thing for the industry", then the roles are reversed. However, since that isn't the debate content industries want to have, please try using logic in your debate....
Way to dodge the question entirely. Debates MUST be based on logically consistent positions, otherwise it's all nonsense. Either those utilizing Hollywood Accounting need to be held to the same standard that they hold infringers to or they simply have no argument.
As for "And piracy in the past 13 years dwarfs every instance of studio or label malfeasance ever committed combined", that's a hell of a grandiose statement to make. I'm sure you have some numbers to back it up?
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Meh, it happens, I guess. Thinking back, I don't think I've ever attempted to use kowtow, or cow-tow, in the written word. It's admittedly hard to live up to OOTB's standards, still we can but try....
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Thanks for alerting me to my incorrect usage/spelling of the term, OOTB. I'll make the edit and compliment you on catching it. Always appreciate learning from my mistakes.
Way to miss the point entirely. If we're going to have a logical debate, we need to decide if the premise that anytime someone takes a dollar away from content creators and rights holders, it's wrong or it isn't. If it is, then companies need to be held to the same standard of law as downloaders. If it isn't, then the whole discussion on piracy is irrelevant.
Take your pick, but studios can't have it both ways....
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If we knew more about corporations, we'd know how much wrong they're doing, and Techdirt is a loopy place because we say wealthy corporations are doing it all wrong.
Re: Yawn. Mountain-out-of-a-molehill Mike rants again.
I'm 100% with you on this one, Blue. I fucking hate it when Mike takes small contradictions and blows them out of proportion. What kind of slimy jackass does that?
Since you were so perceptive in this case, in your honor I'm going to start posting w/my own comment signature, just in the hopes of siphoning off some of your awesomeness.
Take a fucking look at what these shitheads have to say at Techdirt.com! Sometimes people other than Mike even write posts! http://techdirt.com
This is Techdirt! If you don't think children should be fed to wolfhounds leave at once!
"No, piracy is theft; it's made more easily possible by recent gadgets, but it's still theft. You can't (and reasonably don't) worry about "disruption" or "underserved markets" when your main income stream is in danger of disappearing to thieves."
I propose a new definition of "irony":
Irony - accusing someone of not being nuanced and then conflating two legal terms instead of understanding the nuance and minutia of the law.
Either way, I enjoyed this discussion. I think it's incredibly easy for our fellow patriots to dip into the talking points without any knowledge of the history of the world, our nations, or the matter at hand. Such discussions devolve, naturally, into meaningless the like of which should be familiar to anyone who watches cable news.
That two disparate thinkers can discuss these things openly is a beautiful thing....
No, the point, which appears lost on some who wish to denigrate my fair country, is that democracy is an amoeba, meaning that it ebbs and flows like a conglomerate of living things, which of course it is. To point at one particular time and say, "Look! Bad!" may perhaps be satisfying, but is is a false method for truth.
The same cannot be said of Iran, which has a rather amiable consistency of anti-freedom actions. Recall that it is you that chose to compare the two, for reasons I cannot surmise....
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You don't seem to understand how logic works. Let me try to help.
In a logical debate, it is incumbent on the side making an assertion to adhere to both provide evidence for that assertion and to behave upon it. The assertion in this regard is "Anything that deprives money from content owners that is unethical is wrong" and it is made chiefly by the content industry. In this way, the content industry has either failed, or mostly failed, both tests of its position in that it:
1. Engages in unethical behavior themselves, and
2. Has yet to provide empirical evidence for their claim that withstands scrutiny
It is NOT incumbent on respondents to the claim to either behave based on the assertion or provide evidence to its contrary. The only task for the respondents is to malign any bad evidence.
So we'll all thank you for not trying to hold our side of the debate to the incorrect standard. Now, if you want to debate the assertion "Piracy is a good thing for the industry", then the roles are reversed. However, since that isn't the debate content industries want to have, please try using logic in your debate....
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Means that 82% don't even claim to mostly understand the ratings. What am I missing?
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As for "And piracy in the past 13 years dwarfs every instance of studio or label malfeasance ever committed combined", that's a hell of a grandiose statement to make. I'm sure you have some numbers to back it up?
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Thanks!
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Take your pick, but studios can't have it both ways....
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I..........wow.
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Re: Re: Yawn. Mountain-out-of-a-molehill Mike rants again.
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Re: Yawn. Mountain-out-of-a-molehill Mike rants again.
Since you were so perceptive in this case, in your honor I'm going to start posting w/my own comment signature, just in the hopes of siphoning off some of your awesomeness.
Take a fucking look at what these shitheads have to say at Techdirt.com! Sometimes people other than Mike even write posts!
http://techdirt.com
This is Techdirt! If you don't think children should be fed to wolfhounds leave at once!
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Re: "Arrr! Pillage and plunder, me hearties!" -- Mike again cheering on pirates.
That part is my personal favorite, fuck-o....
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Re: You missed the "in some ways".
I propose a new definition of "irony":
Irony - accusing someone of not being nuanced and then conflating two legal terms instead of understanding the nuance and minutia of the law.
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That two disparate thinkers can discuss these things openly is a beautiful thing....
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The same cannot be said of Iran, which has a rather amiable consistency of anti-freedom actions. Recall that it is you that chose to compare the two, for reasons I cannot surmise....
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