Its highly unlikely that this total surveillance attitude can be stopped by any process whatsoever.
This is the wet-dream of control freaks - to know exactly what everyone else is doing all the time and to be able to blackmail anyone who threatens their well being, or refuses to obey their demands.
Even if the NSA, FBI, CIA and Homeland Security were dissolved and disbanded tomorrow, the desire of those at the top of the food chain to know every move and thought of their resource population, would force them to create a new secret agency immediately - if they have not already done so - in order to carry on the process undisturbed.
I assume they initiated the creation of a new top secret agency to control the data being brought in currently by the above named entities and to carry on the job if those agencies are compromised - within weeks of the first Snowden expose.
This is not a cat that can be put back into the bag.
Seen another way, almost ANY posting to ANY social network must certainly touch upon someone who is already under suspicion for something, thus including the poster in the string permanently, even for posting something like;
"I got a new puppy - a Shitzu"
After all, it could be Terrorist Code for;
"I have chosen a new target. Use Chinese Link for details."
Perhaps there is a really big cash&property payoff for him at the end of his term, if he accomplishes certain goals set by other members of the Ownership Society.
.... or, perhaps he is just following orders, knowing full well he will simply be replaced by another similar minion if he fails to fulfill the desires of his financiers.
....or..... maybe ..... Obama is really George Bush's secret bastard brother-in-law, Tim Laden ..... and the birth certificate really was a fake!!!!! :) ---
Ah the wonders of being at the head of the food chain.
Of course Obama "came out surprisingly strongly against patent trolls and in favor of comprehensive patent reform."
It gave the Obamasists the opportunity to say "I told you so." again... for a week or two.
It also let the Trolls know that they would have to up the ante and start really pouring extra cash into the Emperor's coffers via legal bribery channels - lobbyists.
Rather than demand a certain increase of graft - which would let the Trolls know how strongly you were planning to go "against" them - its always better to just take the opposite position publicly (momentarily) and see just how much the other crooks are willing to part with to get you back on track.
This process is better known in Modern American Politics as leadership detouring, and it seldom fails to elicit greater graft than would otherwise be possible from a simple extortion demand.
There never was any actual plan to consider anything even remotely like comprehensive patent reform. That would be counter-productive to the members of the Ownership Society.
Current laws constitute basic Lawyer Welfare.
Lawyers are a primary and essential resource of the Ownership Society and their care and feeding is of great importance. ---
"It's the germination of an unholy mixture of corporatocracy and fascism and it would be the undoing of the very concept of the American government."
First of all, Fascism is a business model that masquerades as a popular form of government, therefor fascism and corporatocracy are one and the same thing.
The name NAZI was a short form of the Government type known as National Socialism - which is obviously NOT what NAZIISM actually stands for at all. National Socialism was the Mask Hitler used to make people think his business plan was a form of government.
Naziism/Corporatism/Corporatocracy is a form of population control and exploitation based on deception and misinformation , and always needs to hide behind a popular government form to do its thing because the only people desirous of such a business model running the country are the extremely wealthy, not the public who outnumber them a million to one.
Secondly,"... would be the undoing of the very concept of American Government"?!?!?!?!?!
You honestly still think that the Concept of American Government is not simply whatever the people who control the American Government decide it is at any given moment?
Please, list for yourself, the aspects of today's American Government that still match the Old Concepts of American Government, to which you are apparently referring.
If you said "the Vote" and stopped there, you have it right.
Nothing remains of the Old Concept of American Government.
Even the Hollywood White-Hat Good-Guy image has been discarded in favor of the "Toughest MoFo on the Block" image.
The Old Concept of American Government has been replaced with this new Concept of American Government where the Government disallows ALL of the basic rights through force of law, that the Old Concept Promoted through force of law.
The Old Concept of the American Government was based upon a civilian-oriented understanding of the Constitution and Bill of Rights - that is, it was citizens who had rights and protections, not corporations, and government existed at the behest of the people, not as an autonomous power unto itself that answers to noone.
The New Concept of American Government is based firmly upon secret reverse interpretation of the old laws and a slew of new laws that specifically allow business the right to ignore the Old Concept's understanding of citizens rights and protections, in the pursuit of profits, which they then share with politicians legally via lobbying and political "donations".
The New American Government works tirelessly to insure the rights and protections of its corporate friends, entirely at the expense of the American Public and relentlessly stifles any dissent that those citizens might make in protest in order to maintain the facade of normalcy, so as not to upset business as usual.
The Police are arming themselves for war because the police are the first line of defense between the government (and its wealthy friends), and the general rabble who are now seen as the enemy and who the government, on behalf of corporate America, has secretly declared war upon.
To continue to make believe that things have not gone that far yet, is to support and promote "the undoing of the very concept of the American government."
"I don't know what possesses certain individuals and entities to address their screwups by attempting to bury them, especially in an age where a wealth of information is still (mostly) a Google search away."
Heck, that's an easy one to solve.
Most of these individuals and entities are old-guard and the old-guard has been burying its crimes, failures and skeletons as common practice for as long as they have existed.
They are not very good at living in the modern world and dealing with open communications and public scrutiny because they never had to deal with these things in the past.
In other words, its how these "old dogs" have always functioned - its an intrinsic part of their business model and life style - and they simply cannot learn, or possibly cannot be bothered to learn, new tricks. Hell, they still haven't even figured out that these old tactics no longer work.
What nobody seems to comprehend, is that all of this copyright infringement crap was started in order to gain full control of the internet.
The companies most involved in screaming THEFT, are the same companies that began the entire process of Peer To Peer file sharing in the first place. Warner Brothers, Disney, the big players, all had affiliated websites and these websites offered the very first peer to peer software packages and the instructions on how to download copyrighted material using this software.
Once they had made the process popular, they started screaming at legislators that they were being robbed by "pirates" and demanded legislation be written to protect their rights.
They fear the future and its inevitable internet based upstarts who will produce and distribute better films and music at better prices and with better quality than they do, and are working in cahoots with government who hates the web because its a place where the voiceless can speak and where the public can communicate anonymously, and where whistleblowers can expose government crimes as fast as they can perpetrate them.
All of this copyright shit is simply the means by which the old guard intends to take over and control the internet and turn it into just another TV channel, filled with shitty advertisements.
Now they have DMCA takedowns to remove any damn thing they don't like at will, and the courts do nothing when a company misuses this law, and soon the bad guys will be able to purge all the known facts about their crimes recorded on-line, through the use of the Right To be Forgotten laws.
Soon ISPs will start self censoring iffy statements and comments that MIGHT be "actionable" in order to avoid the inevitable legal ramifications. Places like TechDirt will no longer even be considered.
Or worse-case scenario, they will initiate an Internet ID card so they can end anonymity and free speech altogether over-night.
Each year will bring in new laws designed specifically to eradicate more and more of what makes the internet the most awesome invention of the last 1000 years, until there is nothing left at all worth giving a shit about.
Eventually, the internet will become nothing more than a commercial nation of walled gardens with a guard at every cyber-door who will take your money, stamp a number on your hand and let you enter, "IF" your name is on the list.
Everything else will be just Billboards advertising crap.
The Business Guys are now taking it all back and the Government Guys are just accepting the massive pay-offs and churning out whatever legislation the lobbyists for the Business Guys demand.
Its a cycle you see. They take turns. Both gangs of Rich Guys love this game.
What he would have said if it were just crony insiders and VIPs listening.
"Our hope is by the time we see each other again in November, when I travel to Asia, we should have some apparently official-looking phony treaty documents that we can claim to have consulted with Congress about, that the public can take a look at, and then we can make a forceful argument to go ahead with the actual still-secret text of the original treaty and close the deal - including the ten year non-disclosure of the final text of the treaty - while everyone is still congratulating themselves for having forced the treaty text into the open."
" Of course, it's fairly likely that the US government will appeal this ruling, but at least this is a small bit of good news in the meantime."
More likely they'll just start up a new secret No-Fly List and transfer everyone to the new list and then do a public lip-service routine on all those people, letting them all think they've managed to become free of the list.
But as we all know, nobody can hide from the inquisition.
"Now we just need to wait for a case challenging those programs to actually reach the Court."
Sincerely hope nobody out there is holding their breath in anticipation of this actually happening anytime soon... and even if it does get to court, it is highly unlikely that any real solutions will occur before the year 2020 - by which point of course, it will be far too late.
Well, yeah, the excuse is rather tiresome, but damn, it works so well and has for so long without fail that there is no chance in hell that they're gonna replace it with another tired excuse any time soon.
"... but at least it finally appears that a solution is at hand for the specific issue of unlocking your mobile phone."
"Appears" is the operative word.
And "appearances" can be, and usually are, deceiving.
Especially when it comes to taking candy out of the mouths of any of the Legacy Industries - a near impossible task.
My money is one at least 2 more years of standard "beating around the bush", followed by a really complex set of "lawyered" legislations that look meaningful, but which actually keeps the silly laws intact and probably raises the penalty.
Sadly, I have to agree in principle, as there really is, as you say, no sure-fire method or process that will win the day and end the deception, short of eliminating politics altogether - which is apparently impossible.
I was hoping you had something more, but that was sort of foolish of me I suppose.
While I personally believe that the criminals will fail, more so due to their own greed and belief of omnipotence then due to anything the public might do, I cannot help but try and discern some means of lessening the damage they do by shortening their tenure.
I fear that the only way that the people will win back their nation, is after the crooks in power have stripped it of everything valuable and left for greener pastures, or when they have made life in North America so intolerable for the vast majority of people, that the only recourse is violent rebellion - which I am certain will fail.
You might want to put a name on the end of that finger you're pointing, Mister Anonymous Coward.
Otherwise, none of the ignorant pawns, pretending to be political blogs, while grandstanding nonsense for the Republican party will know which one should respond.
"Who got rich off of it? Not just the banks - the American citizens who lived it up big time enjoyed themselves as well."
Well, I was going to post a comment explaining that Whatever is a paid Shill and not an unpaid Troll, but I think that after pulling this amazingly dumb comment out of his ass, Whatever has just ended his run in this forum and quite possibly lost his job at the same time. Time for a new handle and profile otherwise...
...if only all the Shills were as stupid as this one...
I'd like to know what you think people can do to stop it, and if you're referring to other officials stopping it rather than the public, what process are you suggesting will work to end such deceptions.
I was under the impression that the very process normally used to prevent such deceptions, was the process currently under discussion that was used to introduce the deception.
"And this differs from the current "normal" how, exactly?"
In the old order, you had an expectation of rights and the courts had a duty to protect those rights - the old innocent till proven guilty thing.
This new method allows that to be turned around somewhat to;
You are likely guilty till enough evidence can be found or manufactured to convince a court that you should be locked up.
How often have you heard the claim? - If you're innocent, then you have nothing to hide.
If you encrypt your email, you obviously have something to hide, therefor, you must be guilty of something.
Because you're guilty of something, all of the usual rules pertaining to dealing with a citizen's rights can be skipped and your Guilty Book can be started.
In effect, the start of your dossier, eliminates your legal rights.
The courts assume that if the government has a dossier on you, then you must indeed be guilty of something, and when the government busts down your door, shoots your dog, pistol whips your children and rips the walls out of your house, but finds nothing incriminating, it can use the "dossier" to "prove" they had sufficient cause to arrest you.
Since the dossier, or Guilty Book, cannot actually be shown to the court to prove the government's case against you because to do so would "compromise the agency's ability to use certain investigatory methods in their pursuit of evil-doers", no evidence is actually needed to get a conviction, or failing conviction, allow the government agency to walk away without the need to make reparations for false arrest.
Pretty much, its just semantics trumps the constitution.
If its a law, then its legal. Killing people in cold blood is legal when the law says it is.
All you need is Two Sets of Laws.
One set for the peasants, to keep them poor and desperate enough to work their life away so that the rich can get richer from their labor.
A second - secret - set for the wealthy in the Ownership Society, to allow them to utilize the peasants and any other available resources in any manner that will generate profits.
Welcome to the real New World Order.
It all about The Law and which side of the money equation you're on.
By the way, if you want to see a quickie home demonstration of just how these bombs work, take a very small hand full of typical white all purpose flour and throw it at a lit gas burner on your stove.
Sorry, electric burners are likely to fail at this test, as the flame is necessary for ignition.
On the post: Reps. Goodlatte And Ruppersberger Admit That NSA Is Warrantlessly Spying On Americans' Communications
Re: "Collect" is a magic weasel word
This is the wet-dream of control freaks - to know exactly what everyone else is doing all the time and to be able to blackmail anyone who threatens their well being, or refuses to obey their demands.
Even if the NSA, FBI, CIA and Homeland Security were dissolved and disbanded tomorrow, the desire of those at the top of the food chain to know every move and thought of their resource population, would force them to create a new secret agency immediately - if they have not already done so - in order to carry on the process undisturbed.
I assume they initiated the creation of a new top secret agency to control the data being brought in currently by the above named entities and to carry on the job if those agencies are compromised - within weeks of the first Snowden expose.
This is not a cat that can be put back into the bag.
---
On the post: Reps. Goodlatte And Ruppersberger Admit That NSA Is Warrantlessly Spying On Americans' Communications
Re: Re: Connect the Dots
Nail meet hammer.
Seen another way, almost ANY posting to ANY social network must certainly touch upon someone who is already under suspicion for something, thus including the poster in the string permanently, even for posting something like;
"I got a new puppy - a Shitzu"
After all, it could be Terrorist Code for;
"I have chosen a new target. Use Chinese Link for details."
On the post: Senators To Obama: Hey You Can End Bulk Phone Data Collection Today; Obama: Ha, Ha, Ha, Nope!
Re:
Perhaps.
Perhaps there is a really big cash&property payoff for him at the end of his term, if he accomplishes certain goals set by other members of the Ownership Society.
.... or, perhaps he is just following orders, knowing full well he will simply be replaced by another similar minion if he fails to fulfill the desires of his financiers.
....or..... maybe ..... Obama is really George Bush's secret bastard brother-in-law, Tim Laden ..... and the birth certificate really was a fake!!!!! :)
---
On the post: Obama To Appoint Pharma Patent Lawyer, Who Has Fought Against Any Patent Reform, To Head Patent Office
Don't Feed The Lawyers
Of course Obama "came out surprisingly strongly against patent trolls and in favor of comprehensive patent reform."
It gave the Obamasists the opportunity to say "I told you so." again... for a week or two.
It also let the Trolls know that they would have to up the ante and start really pouring extra cash into the Emperor's coffers via legal bribery channels - lobbyists.
Rather than demand a certain increase of graft - which would let the Trolls know how strongly you were planning to go "against" them - its always better to just take the opposite position publicly (momentarily) and see just how much the other crooks are willing to part with to get you back on track.
This process is better known in Modern American Politics as leadership detouring, and it seldom fails to elicit greater graft than would otherwise be possible from a simple extortion demand.
There never was any actual plan to consider anything even remotely like comprehensive patent reform. That would be counter-productive to the members of the Ownership Society.
Current laws constitute basic Lawyer Welfare.
Lawyers are a primary and essential resource of the Ownership Society and their care and feeding is of great importance.
---
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We the Company...
First of all, Fascism is a business model that masquerades as a popular form of government, therefor fascism and corporatocracy are one and the same thing.
The name NAZI was a short form of the Government type known as National Socialism - which is obviously NOT what NAZIISM actually stands for at all. National Socialism was the Mask Hitler used to make people think his business plan was a form of government.
Naziism/Corporatism/Corporatocracy is a form of population control and exploitation based on deception and misinformation , and always needs to hide behind a popular government form to do its thing because the only people desirous of such a business model running the country are the extremely wealthy, not the public who outnumber them a million to one.
Secondly,"... would be the undoing of the very concept of American Government"?!?!?!?!?!
You honestly still think that the Concept of American Government is not simply whatever the people who control the American Government decide it is at any given moment?
Please, list for yourself, the aspects of today's American Government that still match the Old Concepts of American Government, to which you are apparently referring.
If you said "the Vote" and stopped there, you have it right.
Nothing remains of the Old Concept of American Government.
Even the Hollywood White-Hat Good-Guy image has been discarded in favor of the "Toughest MoFo on the Block" image.
The Old Concept of American Government has been replaced with this new Concept of American Government where the Government disallows ALL of the basic rights through force of law, that the Old Concept Promoted through force of law.
The Old Concept of the American Government was based upon a civilian-oriented understanding of the Constitution and Bill of Rights - that is, it was citizens who had rights and protections, not corporations, and government existed at the behest of the people, not as an autonomous power unto itself that answers to noone.
The New Concept of American Government is based firmly upon secret reverse interpretation of the old laws and a slew of new laws that specifically allow business the right to ignore the Old Concept's understanding of citizens rights and protections, in the pursuit of profits, which they then share with politicians legally via lobbying and political "donations".
The New American Government works tirelessly to insure the rights and protections of its corporate friends, entirely at the expense of the American Public and relentlessly stifles any dissent that those citizens might make in protest in order to maintain the facade of normalcy, so as not to upset business as usual.
The Police are arming themselves for war because the police are the first line of defense between the government (and its wealthy friends), and the general rabble who are now seen as the enemy and who the government, on behalf of corporate America, has secretly declared war upon.
To continue to make believe that things have not gone that far yet, is to support and promote "the undoing of the very concept of the American government."
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Old Dog, Old Tricks
Heck, that's an easy one to solve.
Most of these individuals and entities are old-guard and the old-guard has been burying its crimes, failures and skeletons as common practice for as long as they have existed.
They are not very good at living in the modern world and dealing with open communications and public scrutiny because they never had to deal with these things in the past.
In other words, its how these "old dogs" have always functioned - its an intrinsic part of their business model and life style - and they simply cannot learn, or possibly cannot be bothered to learn, new tricks. Hell, they still haven't even figured out that these old tactics no longer work.
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... we won't be fooled again...
I think the more important question is;
"When will we ever learn?"
What nobody seems to comprehend, is that all of this copyright infringement crap was started in order to gain full control of the internet.
The companies most involved in screaming THEFT, are the same companies that began the entire process of Peer To Peer file sharing in the first place. Warner Brothers, Disney, the big players, all had affiliated websites and these websites offered the very first peer to peer software packages and the instructions on how to download copyrighted material using this software.
Once they had made the process popular, they started screaming at legislators that they were being robbed by "pirates" and demanded legislation be written to protect their rights.
They fear the future and its inevitable internet based upstarts who will produce and distribute better films and music at better prices and with better quality than they do, and are working in cahoots with government who hates the web because its a place where the voiceless can speak and where the public can communicate anonymously, and where whistleblowers can expose government crimes as fast as they can perpetrate them.
All of this copyright shit is simply the means by which the old guard intends to take over and control the internet and turn it into just another TV channel, filled with shitty advertisements.
Now they have DMCA takedowns to remove any damn thing they don't like at will, and the courts do nothing when a company misuses this law, and soon the bad guys will be able to purge all the known facts about their crimes recorded on-line, through the use of the Right To be Forgotten laws.
Soon ISPs will start self censoring iffy statements and comments that MIGHT be "actionable" in order to avoid the inevitable legal ramifications. Places like TechDirt will no longer even be considered.
Or worse-case scenario, they will initiate an Internet ID card so they can end anonymity and free speech altogether over-night.
Each year will bring in new laws designed specifically to eradicate more and more of what makes the internet the most awesome invention of the last 1000 years, until there is nothing left at all worth giving a shit about.
Eventually, the internet will become nothing more than a commercial nation of walled gardens with a guard at every cyber-door who will take your money, stamp a number on your hand and let you enter, "IF" your name is on the list.
Everything else will be just Billboards advertising crap.
Its already half way there.
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Re: Watch the series, the Men Who Built America
The Business Guys are now taking it all back and the Government Guys are just accepting the massive pay-offs and churning out whatever legislation the lobbyists for the Business Guys demand.
Its a cycle you see.
They take turns.
Both gangs of Rich Guys love this game.
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.... pick a card, any card .....
"Our hope is by the time we see each other again in November, when I travel to Asia, we should have some apparently official-looking phony treaty documents that we can claim to have consulted with Congress about, that the public can take a look at, and then we can make a forceful argument to go ahead with the actual still-secret text of the original treaty and close the deal - including the ten year non-disclosure of the final text of the treaty - while everyone is still congratulating themselves for having forced the treaty text into the open."
On the post: Court Says The Process For Getting Off The No Fly List Is Unconstitutional
NoFlyList_V1.1
More likely they'll just start up a new secret No-Fly List and transfer everyone to the new list and then do a public lip-service routine on all those people, letting them all think they've managed to become free of the list.
But as we all know, nobody can hide from the inquisition.
On the post: Supreme Court Says Law Enforcement Can't Search Mobile Phones Without A Warrant
Hurry up and wait so more....
Sincerely hope nobody out there is holding their breath in anticipation of this actually happening anytime soon... and even if it does get to court, it is highly unlikely that any real solutions will occur before the year 2020 - by which point of course, it will be far too late.
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Well, yeah, the excuse is rather tiresome, but damn, it works so well and has for so long without fail that there is no chance in hell that they're gonna replace it with another tired excuse any time soon.
Why should they?
On the post: A Year And A Half Later, Unlocking Your Phone One Step Closer To Being Legal
... nothing up my sleeve....
"Appears" is the operative word.
And "appearances" can be, and usually are, deceiving.
Especially when it comes to taking candy out of the mouths of any of the Legacy Industries - a near impossible task.
My money is one at least 2 more years of standard "beating around the bush", followed by a really complex set of "lawyered" legislations that look meaningful, but which actually keeps the silly laws intact and probably raises the penalty.
Or to put it another way - business as usual.
---
On the post: House Overwhelmingly Votes To Slam The Backdoor Shut On The NSA!
Sadly, I have to agree in principle, as there really is, as you say, no sure-fire method or process that will win the day and end the deception, short of eliminating politics altogether - which is apparently impossible.
I was hoping you had something more, but that was sort of foolish of me I suppose.
While I personally believe that the criminals will fail, more so due to their own greed and belief of omnipotence then due to anything the public might do, I cannot help but try and discern some means of lessening the damage they do by shortening their tenure.
I fear that the only way that the people will win back their nation, is after the crooks in power have stripped it of everything valuable and left for greener pastures, or when they have made life in North America so intolerable for the vast majority of people, that the only recourse is violent rebellion - which I am certain will fail.
C'est la vie eh.
On the post: Senators To Obama: Hey You Can End Bulk Phone Data Collection Today; Obama: Ha, Ha, Ha, Nope!
Re:
Otherwise, none of the ignorant pawns, pretending to be political blogs, while grandstanding nonsense for the Republican party will know which one should respond.
On the post: Details Leak On How Secret Global Treaty Will Force Countries To Further Deregulate Financial Sector
Re: Re: Re: breaking down borders
Well, I was going to post a comment explaining that Whatever is a paid Shill and not an unpaid Troll, but I think that after pulling this amazingly dumb comment out of his ass, Whatever has just ended his run in this forum and quite possibly lost his job at the same time. Time for a new handle and profile otherwise...
...if only all the Shills were as stupid as this one...
On the post: House Overwhelmingly Votes To Slam The Backdoor Shut On The NSA!
I'd like to know what you think people can do to stop it, and if you're referring to other officials stopping it rather than the public, what process are you suggesting will work to end such deceptions.
I was under the impression that the very process normally used to prevent such deceptions, was the process currently under discussion that was used to introduce the deception.
On the post: New Emails Show That Feds Instructed Police To Lie About Using Stingray Mobile Phone Snooping
Re: Re: Re: Damn government
In the old order, you had an expectation of rights and the courts had a duty to protect those rights - the old innocent till proven guilty thing.
This new method allows that to be turned around somewhat to;
You are likely guilty till enough evidence can be found or manufactured to convince a court that you should be locked up.
How often have you heard the claim? - If you're innocent, then you have nothing to hide.
If you encrypt your email, you obviously have something to hide, therefor, you must be guilty of something.
Because you're guilty of something, all of the usual rules pertaining to dealing with a citizen's rights can be skipped and your Guilty Book can be started.
In effect, the start of your dossier, eliminates your legal rights.
The courts assume that if the government has a dossier on you, then you must indeed be guilty of something, and when the government busts down your door, shoots your dog, pistol whips your children and rips the walls out of your house, but finds nothing incriminating, it can use the "dossier" to "prove" they had sufficient cause to arrest you.
Since the dossier, or Guilty Book, cannot actually be shown to the court to prove the government's case against you because to do so would "compromise the agency's ability to use certain investigatory methods in their pursuit of evil-doers", no evidence is actually needed to get a conviction, or failing conviction, allow the government agency to walk away without the need to make reparations for false arrest.
Pretty much, its just semantics trumps the constitution.
---
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Re: Can secret law even be legal?
Killing people in cold blood is legal when the law says it is.
All you need is Two Sets of Laws.
One set for the peasants, to keep them poor and desperate enough to work their life away so that the rich can get richer from their labor.
A second - secret - set for the wealthy in the Ownership Society, to allow them to utilize the peasants and any other available resources in any manner that will generate profits.
Welcome to the real New World Order.
It all about The Law and which side of the money equation you're on.
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Re: Re: Re:
By the way, if you want to see a quickie home demonstration of just how these bombs work, take a very small hand full of typical white all purpose flour and throw it at a lit gas burner on your stove.
Sorry, electric burners are likely to fail at this test, as the flame is necessary for ignition.
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