How would this case differ from a cop getting himself invited to (for example) a private poker game or backyard BBQ, without disclosing that they are a police officer, and under a fake identity?
And just to add injury to insult, Rogan's record is that he actually pushes back much harder, against the actual, recognized experts who provide actual, confirmable information and justifiable, sound expert opinion.
Allow me to repeat my earlier post from up the thread:
In the past few weeks, in various forums, I have encountered several people from southern US States ("born and raised" and "educated" there) who claimed (apparently quite sincerely) that Sundown Laws/Sundown-er towns were already a long-vanished relic of past history by the time of the Civil Rights/Martin Luther King era, and furthermore, apparently had no knowledge of the infamous Green Book for black motorists and travelers.
That kind of widespread ignorance isn't coincidence -- and doesn't happen by accident.
And it this active support and promotion of Joe Rogan's habitually irresponsible misinfo, by Spotify, that Neil Young and other critics of Spotify, are objecting to -- this is the central issue in this boycott.
It's come out that Spotify is paying Rogan at least $200 million, for a 3 & 1/2 year contract (and has responded to serious criticisms by merely establishing a few very minor and purely cosmetic measures)
So it's clear that Rogan has not only no interest, but also no reason, to care if a few listeners fall by the wayside -- Rogan is definitely being strongly incentivized to keep on pushing his trademark style of BS and mis-info, (not so) cleverly disguised as soft-on-facts interviews and "just talking".
For some reason -- I can't imagine why (/s) -- the Sacklers and Perdue Pharmaceuticals neglected to give that argument a whirl, whether in the Court of Law or in the court of Public Opinion.
Why do you think it would be any more credible an "argument", coming from Spotify?
In the past few weeks, in various forums, I have encountered several people from southern US States ("born and raised", and "educated in") who claimed to remember the Civil Rights/MLK era -- and who also believed (often quite evidently sincerely) that Sundown Laws/Sundown-er towns were already a vanished relic of past history by the time of the Civil Rights/MLK era, and furthermore, apparently had no knowledge of the infamous Green Book for black motorists and travelers.
That kind of widespread ignorance isn't coincidence -- and doesn't happen by accident.
I've never seen a digital book start an interesting conversation on the bus or in a coffee shop, when one person notices what the stranger next to them is reading.
Nor on the bus, nor in a park nor on the beach... nor in a used books shop, for that matter.
Assuming the objections are actually honest (yes, that's a bit of a stretch, but for the sake of argument) ...
There's two approaches to protect children from drowning: either try to forbid them from ever coming into contact with open water, or teach them to swim.
One of these approaches is much more successful than the other, even if it may make some parents a little more nervous.
"Just like in the real world... but on a computer"...
--> "Just like in the real world... but on the Internet"...
---> "Just like in the real world.... but in Virtual Reality"...
When the heck are we (that is to say, the Courts and the Patent Office) finally going to catch on?
It was the epitome of a concise, reasonable, easy to understand license agreement:
Bloodthirsty License Agreement
This is where the bloodthirsty license agreement is supposed to go,
explaining that Interactive Easyflow is a copyrighted package licensed
for use by a single person, and sternly warning you not to pirate
copies of it and explaining, in detail, the gory consequences if you
do.
We know that you are an honest person, and are not going to go around
pirating copies of Interactive Easyflow; this is just as well with us
since we worked hard to perfect it and selling copies of it is our only
method of making anything out of all the hard work.
If, on the other hand, you are one of those few people who do go around
pirating copies of software you probably aren't going to pay much
attention to a license agreement, bloodthirsty or not. Just keep your
doors locked and look out for the HavenTree attack shark.
Honest Disclaimer
We don't claim Interactive Easyflow is good for anything -- if you
think it is, great, but it's up to you to decide. If Interactive
Easyflow doesn't work: tough. If you lose a million because
Interactive Easyflow messes up, it's you that's out the million, not
us. If you don't like this disclaimer: tough. We reserve the right to
do the absolute minimum provided by law, up to and including nothing.
This is basically the same disclaimer that comes with all software
packages, but ours is in plain English and theirs is in legalese.
We didn't really want to include any disclaimer at all, but our lawyers
insisted. We tried to ignore them but they threatened us with the
attack shark (see license agreement above) at which point we relented.
I swear, sometimes people bought the software just for the pleasure of reading the license.
He has staffers for that.
These "bungles" aren't about not knowing how/being able to do research -- in fact, they've researched their voting base quite extensively.
I would have thought this was (legally) straight-forward...
But IANAL, so I'll ask:
How would this case differ from a cop getting himself invited to (for example) a private poker game or backyard BBQ, without disclosing that they are a police officer, and under a fake identity?
Re:
A few bad apples eventually spoils the whole barrel.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Science
I'd settle for immunization against fools and assholes.
Re: Re:
And just to add injury to insult, Rogan's record is that he actually pushes back much harder, against the actual, recognized experts who provide actual, confirmable information and justifiable, sound expert opinion.
Re:
Allow me to repeat my earlier post from up the thread:
In the past few weeks, in various forums, I have encountered several people from southern US States ("born and raised" and "educated" there) who claimed (apparently quite sincerely) that Sundown Laws/Sundown-er towns were already a long-vanished relic of past history by the time of the Civil Rights/Martin Luther King era, and furthermore, apparently had no knowledge of the infamous Green Book for black motorists and travelers.
That kind of widespread ignorance isn't coincidence -- and doesn't happen by accident.
Re: Re: Re:
And it this active support and promotion of Joe Rogan's habitually irresponsible misinfo, by Spotify, that Neil Young and other critics of Spotify, are objecting to -- this is the central issue in this boycott.
Re: Re:
It's come out that Spotify is paying Rogan at least $200 million, for a 3 & 1/2 year contract (and has responded to serious criticisms by merely establishing a few very minor and purely cosmetic measures)
So it's clear that Rogan has not only no interest, but also no reason, to care if a few listeners fall by the wayside -- Rogan is definitely being strongly incentivized to keep on pushing his trademark style of BS and mis-info, (not so) cleverly disguised as soft-on-facts interviews and "just talking".
Re: Re: Re:
For some reason -- I can't imagine why (/s) -- the Sacklers and Perdue Pharmaceuticals neglected to give that argument a whirl, whether in the Court of Law or in the court of Public Opinion.
Why do you think it would be any more credible an "argument", coming from Spotify?
Re: Re:
His perspective is probably influenced by the Payola scandals, and music industry history since then.
How much that reality would still apply to music streaming services as it did/does to music radio play, is of course a legitimate question.
Re: Re: Re: Maus
In the past few weeks, in various forums, I have encountered several people from southern US States ("born and raised", and "educated in") who claimed to remember the Civil Rights/MLK era -- and who also believed (often quite evidently sincerely) that Sundown Laws/Sundown-er towns were already a vanished relic of past history by the time of the Civil Rights/MLK era, and furthermore, apparently had no knowledge of the infamous Green Book for black motorists and travelers.
That kind of widespread ignorance isn't coincidence -- and doesn't happen by accident.
Re: what if EMP burst
Actually, if that happens, we'll have bigger problems than what happened to our entertainment collections.
An advantage of "analog" books over "digital" e-books:
I've never seen a digital book start an interesting conversation on the bus or in a coffee shop, when one person notices what the stranger next to them is reading.
Nor on the bus, nor in a park nor on the beach... nor in a used books shop, for that matter.
... I wonder why not?
Re:
I knew all the swear words by 5th grade -- and I was that geeky, un-cool kid that was the last one in school to learn them.
Re: Re: Re:
Assuming the objections are actually honest (yes, that's a bit of a stretch, but for the sake of argument) ...
There's two approaches to protect children from drowning: either try to forbid them from ever coming into contact with open water, or teach them to swim.
One of these approaches is much more successful than the other, even if it may make some parents a little more nervous.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Maus
Question:
Are you really so great a fool... or do you just really take us for such great fools?
Re: Re:
Do they (PV) turn a profit (directly or indirectly)?
I wouldn't be surprised, but I don't actually know...
.
Punctuation can matter.
Re: Re:
Do they (PV) turn a profit (directly or indirectly).
I wouldn't be surprised, but I don't actually know...
The evolution of bogus patents in technology
"Just like in the real world... but on a computer"...
--> "Just like in the real world... but on the Internet"...
---> "Just like in the real world.... but in Virtual Reality"...
When the heck are we (that is to say, the Courts and the Patent Office) finally going to catch on?
Re: RepublicWireless would be a good model
Am I the only one who remembers HavenTree's Interactive EasyFlow Bloodthirsty License Agreement ???
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interactive_EasyFlow.
It was the epitome of a concise, reasonable, easy to understand license agreement:
Bloodthirsty License Agreement
This is where the bloodthirsty license agreement is supposed to go,
explaining that Interactive Easyflow is a copyrighted package licensed
for use by a single person, and sternly warning you not to pirate
copies of it and explaining, in detail, the gory consequences if you
do.
We know that you are an honest person, and are not going to go around
pirating copies of Interactive Easyflow; this is just as well with us
since we worked hard to perfect it and selling copies of it is our only
method of making anything out of all the hard work.
If, on the other hand, you are one of those few people who do go around
pirating copies of software you probably aren't going to pay much
attention to a license agreement, bloodthirsty or not. Just keep your
doors locked and look out for the HavenTree attack shark.
Honest Disclaimer
We don't claim Interactive Easyflow is good for anything -- if you
think it is, great, but it's up to you to decide. If Interactive
Easyflow doesn't work: tough. If you lose a million because
Interactive Easyflow messes up, it's you that's out the million, not
us. If you don't like this disclaimer: tough. We reserve the right to
do the absolute minimum provided by law, up to and including nothing.
This is basically the same disclaimer that comes with all software
packages, but ours is in plain English and theirs is in legalese.
We didn't really want to include any disclaimer at all, but our lawyers
insisted. We tried to ignore them but they threatened us with the
attack shark (see license agreement above) at which point we relented.
I swear, sometimes people bought the software just for the pleasure of reading the license.
Re: Re: Whoosh
He has staffers for that.
These "bungles" aren't about not knowing how/being able to do research -- in fact, they've researched their voting base quite extensively.
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