The topic above was does the first amendment apply to "private" Social media.
The left and various ABC government agencies tell Social media that something or someone is posting misinformation and the "private" social media company moderates the informational post or individual out of existence. (1984/Minitrue Ministry of Truth)
Then according to your position; there does not exist any "public forum" Social media where the 1st amendment applies.
How would you feel if some company moderated your hosting service or internet connection out of existence because you posted misinformation?
Do you advocate for a new Minitrue and respect the new goodthink?
Maybe all the people who disagree with the current political correctness / "wokeness" need to go silent ... like before the "contract with America" and the President Trump election.
Then the current political leadership will claim voter fraud or suppression when the suppression is actually from advocates like you.
I agree you have the right to repair or modify something that you buy.
I agreed with the guy who wanted to mod his old ipod for his personal use.
I actually agree with the farmers who want to repair tractors.
They should stop buying John Deer tractors.
But I do not think you should be able to buy a bunch of new iphones, hack the software and resell it.
But the "Right to Repair" laws say the companies have to provide technical documentation, parts for sale, and diagnostic documentation to their customers and third parties.
At this point in time some companies have problems getting electronic parts to make new products. And now your going to require them to supply old parts and support beyond the warranty.
I consider the John Deer Tractor software example is comparable to Facebook and Twitter platform.
And software is "licensed" not sold under first sale doctrine so reverse engineering the program and modifying/selling the result is not allowed. The courts have already ruled that first sale doctrine does not apply to licensed software.
So that train has already left the station.
So they are effectively "renting" the software part of the product.
Also my comment about intentional creating unfixable products is all about choice.
Choice that the consumer can buy a company repairable product or a right to repair one.
Choice that at a company can create a company repairable product, right to repair product or a landfill product.
If you are saying that consumers do not have choice then we have a different problem to argue about.
Monopoly power ...which brings me back the Facebook/Twitter bans.
Other Techdirt author positions say the companies have right to excluded
people from their platforms. (e.g. Facebook, Twitter)
How is this different?
I am not objecting to the hobbyist modifying his ipod.
But making a business around repairing a product or reverse engineering software of a product sounds like stealing from the company. (My opinion)
Have you ever thought that the product might not be profitable if you allow other people to modify the companies product?
So if the government mandates right to repair; some product may not be produced.
Also a right to repair mandate might create intentionally disposable or unfixable products.
Some smart engineer puts an undefeatable pressure or air switch inside the product which bricks it if it is opened. Or circuit boards that degrade when exposed to air or humidity. Or just a load of epoxy inside.
If companies want to produce repairable products; that is their right as well.
Facebook, Apple, Amazon/AWS and to a lesser extent Twitter are dominate tech players.
You claim that these "Private companies exercising editorial discretion on their platforms is actually protected by the Bill of Rights."
My wife was 14 years old when she escaped Cuba during the Mariel boat lift without her parents because the government needed their skills.
In Cuba, she lived with a government that determined what was right think vs. wrong think.
Also, the government encouraged Neighbors (Facebook/Twitter) to report people who did not agree.
Then the government kills, imprisons or ostracizes (cancelling) the wrong thinkers and then denies them and their family’s employment, housing, food, and clothing.
My wife said she could see the writing on the wall like a lot of the Latin people of South Florida who have lived in South American dictatorships.
It happens, one step at a time.
1) Government/ Party states what is right vs. wrong, no discussion or recourse.
2) Government/ Press / Journalists reinforce what is right and denigrates those people who do not think the same way. (Capitalists, Racists, Fascists, Christians, Phobos etc.)
3) Government/ Party determines which people, companies and organizations oppose the “right” position.
4) Government/ Party deletes their position from historic record, government, companies, and press (aka social media Facebook, Twitter, and Amazon (AWS).
5) Government/ Party encourages neighbors, companies to ostracizes (cancel) the wrong thinkers and then deny them and their family’s employment, and housing.
My wife, sisters and most of her extended family exercised their rights by deleting their Facebook and Twitter accounts and migrated to a lesser-known platform. As a result, they lost of years of recorded activity and access to people who chose not to leave.
If you come to think of it a small thing to lose.
But tell me now why you want to let these companies cancel me or maybe you in the future?
Would your opinion change if there were a takeover of Facebook, Twitter, Amazon by the opposing viewpoint?
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Re: Re: Mr. Masnick needs to read 1984 again
The topic above was does the first amendment apply to "private" Social media.
The left and various ABC government agencies tell Social media that something or someone is posting misinformation and the "private" social media company moderates the informational post or individual out of existence. (1984/Minitrue Ministry of Truth)
Then according to your position; there does not exist any "public forum" Social media where the 1st amendment applies.
How would you feel if some company moderated your hosting service or internet connection out of existence because you posted misinformation?
Mr. Masnick needs to read 1984 again
Do you advocate for a new Minitrue and respect the new goodthink?
Maybe all the people who disagree with the current political correctness / "wokeness" need to go silent ... like before the "contract with America" and the President Trump election.
Then the current political leadership will claim voter fraud or suppression when the suppression is actually from advocates like you.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Company has rights?
Yes, my kind knows that companies are driven by profit/greed.
Profit driven companies are not fair and just.
Governments are not fair and just.
A government mandate means increased prices; companies will not lose money in this deal.
If you really want this right to repair mandate you will pay.
Re: Re: Company has rights?
I agree you have the right to repair or modify something that you buy.
I agreed with the guy who wanted to mod his old ipod for his personal use.
I actually agree with the farmers who want to repair tractors.
They should stop buying John Deer tractors.
But I do not think you should be able to buy a bunch of new iphones, hack the software and resell it.
But the "Right to Repair" laws say the companies have to provide technical documentation, parts for sale, and diagnostic documentation to their customers and third parties.
At this point in time some companies have problems getting electronic parts to make new products. And now your going to require them to supply old parts and support beyond the warranty.
Re: Re: Company has rights?
I consider the John Deer Tractor software example is comparable to Facebook and Twitter platform.
And software is "licensed" not sold under first sale doctrine so reverse engineering the program and modifying/selling the result is not allowed. The courts have already ruled that first sale doctrine does not apply to licensed software.
So that train has already left the station.
So they are effectively "renting" the software part of the product.
Also my comment about intentional creating unfixable products is all about choice.
Choice that the consumer can buy a company repairable product or a right to repair one.
Choice that at a company can create a company repairable product, right to repair product or a landfill product.
If you are saying that consumers do not have choice then we have a different problem to argue about.
Monopoly power ...which brings me back the Facebook/Twitter bans.
Company has rights?
Other Techdirt author positions say the companies have right to excluded
people from their platforms. (e.g. Facebook, Twitter)
How is this different?
I am not objecting to the hobbyist modifying his ipod.
But making a business around repairing a product or reverse engineering software of a product sounds like stealing from the company. (My opinion)
Have you ever thought that the product might not be profitable if you allow other people to modify the companies product?
So if the government mandates right to repair; some product may not be produced.
Also a right to repair mandate might create intentionally disposable or unfixable products.
Some smart engineer puts an undefeatable pressure or air switch inside the product which bricks it if it is opened. Or circuit boards that degrade when exposed to air or humidity. Or just a load of epoxy inside.
If companies want to produce repairable products; that is their right as well.
The market will decide.
(untitled comment)
Mike Masnick you supported Facebook and Twitter excluding people.
So do you support Apple excluding Wordpress?
Even though they changed their minds.
You said the "The Bill of Rights" allowed them to determine what they thought was appropriate for their site.
(untitled comment)
Facebook, Apple, Amazon/AWS and to a lesser extent Twitter are dominate tech players.
You claim that these "Private companies exercising editorial discretion on their platforms is actually protected by the Bill of Rights."
My wife was 14 years old when she escaped Cuba during the Mariel boat lift without her parents because the government needed their skills.
In Cuba, she lived with a government that determined what was right think vs. wrong think.
Also, the government encouraged Neighbors (Facebook/Twitter) to report people who did not agree.
Then the government kills, imprisons or ostracizes (cancelling) the wrong thinkers and then denies them and their family’s employment, housing, food, and clothing.
My wife said she could see the writing on the wall like a lot of the Latin people of South Florida who have lived in South American dictatorships.
It happens, one step at a time.
1) Government/ Party states what is right vs. wrong, no discussion or recourse.
2) Government/ Press / Journalists reinforce what is right and denigrates those people who do not think the same way. (Capitalists, Racists, Fascists, Christians, Phobos etc.)
3) Government/ Party determines which people, companies and organizations oppose the “right” position.
4) Government/ Party deletes their position from historic record, government, companies, and press (aka social media Facebook, Twitter, and Amazon (AWS).
5) Government/ Party encourages neighbors, companies to ostracizes (cancel) the wrong thinkers and then deny them and their family’s employment, and housing.
My wife, sisters and most of her extended family exercised their rights by deleting their Facebook and Twitter accounts and migrated to a lesser-known platform. As a result, they lost of years of recorded activity and access to people who chose not to leave.
If you come to think of it a small thing to lose.
But tell me now why you want to let these companies cancel me or maybe you in the future?
Would your opinion change if there were a takeover of Facebook, Twitter, Amazon by the opposing viewpoint?
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