Looks like the camel's nose is in he tent. If the ruling is applied evenly and fairly this is a big step towards making Twitter a public form. After 'll if it's one for office holders then it becomes one for all officials next then next for everyone.
I understand moderation as a type of free speach. The public forum came about because of government restraining free speech in public places shutting it down .
My contention that some of these platforms have become so large that they are like the public spaces of old. Denying access in fact denies the right of free speach. This is just like, in the distant past denying access to the town square denied me the ability to express my views.
I 'd like to hear some substantive comments not just reiterating the facts. Do we need to change public policy and should we? The EU demonstrates some of the problems.
"Way to just dismiss the value of the entire human race. No wonder the world doesn't like your view."
So now you say there are no bots, SPAM, ... and every comment is gold. Then we obviously don't need moderation and should ban it!
You can't or don't read very well! My comment was "...If fairness is the goal". But you say it has no place! I agree, how do we define 'fairness'. I don't believe it's possible. Just like defining hate speech etc.
". ..ONLY way to keep platforms from becoming a cesspool of vile and disgusting thoughts and ideas cluttering up the space.'. So now you are for censorship!
It appears that we have are two choices:
First, accept that "...cesspool of vile and disgusting thoughts and ideas cluttering up the space." And learn to deal with it OR
Second accept accept arbitrary capricious censorship as free speech (today's situation).
Neither is really that good but I agree that moderation as free speech is the lessor of two evils. In this case we need to strengthen 230 and intermediate liability! The persecution of Back Page is a good reason why! We need to ban foreign governments and entities form interference with American free speech as the EU and Indian government have recently done. We need to rather embrace 230 or throw it out not waffle like we are doing now!
Well pervasive sloped by me, I could be a liberal and blame my spelling corrector/auto-complete, but I'll be an adult and accept responsibility. Prevailant is the right term. If you get 89% of the attention are you a platform or a public form? Address the issue not your goofy prescriptions ( I only have mature cincerns!).
5G is a Telco fraud! They should make good on their promises and commitments before being allowed if they don't then the subsidies and tax breaks which they have should be reclained. Like wise any band width that they bought and don't use!
The FCC is an invention of Congress and is a bipartisan mess. Psi deserves to be a target but the FCC is a bipartisan committee! The problem is regulatory capture and Congressmen who are paid off.
I totally agree with "If we want to protect democracy, we must make citizens more resilient and able to discern good information from bad." ! We have a bad systemic problem, regulate the thing! Don't try to change/regulate people tech regulation is the answer! This showed up in the early automobile and continues today. Dishonest homophobes push for "gun control" that st work. Around 90% of mass facility shootings occur in gun free zones (FB I data) so eliminating gun free zones will prevent mass shootings!? Then when the penny broad sheets became newspapers there were efforts to regulate them, they continue today with the shutdown of 'Backpage'. Any Democratic form of government relies on an descerning, intelligent population! I'm the U.S. and the EUROPEAN that has been destroyed by an education system which demands conformity not critical thoughts. Regulating tech is futile, just look at the auto death rate, they have been regulated heavily for over a century.
Copyright was invented by the London Stationers Guild to ensure that the publisher made money. Why, well if a physical book was not published it didn't exist. It never was about creative's rights, and it still isn 't! Microsoft tried to do the right thing. You just take the money and replace the book, but what about your time to locate it, drive to a book store (good luck finding one or a given book) or down load it. What if it's not available? What will you do in a couple years when you must upgrade your TV or it stops working? What if your car swerved into on conning traffic and you can't effectively sue the manfacturer, because ZDRM prevents examination of his faulty code. (That could easily have happened with the 737 crashes where faulty code over ride the pilots and crashed the plane [criminally England design played a part too])!
Is copyright still a good thing? The publisher can off load the costs on the creative and only a few majors provide any editing, even the big guys like ACE, don't do a through editing job (spelling corrector and typeahead errors show up).
Copyright does not really help the creative. A big publisher has the bucks to go after criminal copyright violators, but the creative does not, so again copyright only benefits the big publisher. Some copyrights are destructive and ridiculous ; photos, software, design interfaces....
Copyright is way too long. Most material now is operating instructions and technical materal, average life is somewhere between 3 and 5 years-not the 99 of copyright.
You mean that they wrote some big "campaign contributions" to Ca liberal democrats, and promised members of the FCC big paying jobs when they get tired of their government boondoggle !
Yes the president has a lot of influence with the FCC, BUT it is a creature of Congress and they are largely to blame for the mess! If you don't like the results then Congressional term limits are a partial answer. A more immediate answer is to track your Congress critters voted and let them know what you think. Activism by the voting public will help fix things. The problem is pervasive and bipartisan!
Back in the day AT&T needed to modernize control of the voice network to keep it functioning. Bell labs invented SS7 and implemented it (back then there was only AT&T)! They were happy with SS7 so they published a complete documentation of it. This led to the phone preaking movement. It's too late to undo this mistake and impossible to fix the system, where AT&T could say "this is SS7 like it or don't do phone business", now no one can say that!
The 'net had the potential for fixing the problem, instead the Telcos simply built them into the 'net!
The concept of the FCC is flawed. IT'S A COMMITTE! committees don't solve problems, they talk about them. The DVD was created to be animation body as communications are too important for partisan politics! It's become a big mess that mostly Landers money for corrupt bureaucrats and politicans. There is no chance for improvements without Congressionly term limits, a solution to the lobbying problem any to regulatory capture.
Of course we could impose intelligence and honesty requirements in bureaucrats and Congress!?
This isn't about the rich getting screwed or buy with anything it's about the government turning into a criminal enterprise that the mafia would love to be. A government which uses arbitrary and capricious laws to steal from people can't be considered legitimate!
Real ignorance here. The Chinese factories use failed farmers and migrating pheasants for labor. Out some of the welfare types to work the was the Chinese do "No work good no eat!" .
These are no different than the druggies and hang bangers who who lift and steal anything not nailed down to support their habit! This is a big cost of the failed war on drugs-turning the cops into the bad guys!
Just what-if anything-does "some suspicion the person whose property is being targeted is suspected of violating a crime. " mean. Interesting nonsense for an otherwise we'll written column.
Asset seizure was spawned by the goofy "war on drugs" that was doomed from the start-the volstead act was such a success-and more harm than good. It would have cost less just to let the druggies go and kill themselves. Citing out the criminal elements would have saved trillions of dollars (enough to pay for real treatment) and likely a million or so lives. Asset seizure is nothing but theft!
Threads a problem
Aside from the above mos5 appear to be nonsense. This is plain commercial fraud! Fire Congress take back the airwaves!
First step towards making Twitter st so public platforms
Looks like the camel's nose is in he tent. If the ruling is applied evenly and fairly this is a big step towards making Twitter a public form. After 'll if it's one for office holders then it becomes one for all officials next then next for everyone.
(untitled comment)
I understand moderation as a type of free speach. The public forum came about because of government restraining free speech in public places shutting it down .
My contention that some of these platforms have become so large that they are like the public spaces of old. Denying access in fact denies the right of free speach. This is just like, in the distant past denying access to the town square denied me the ability to express my views.
I 'd like to hear some substantive comments not just reiterating the facts. Do we need to change public policy and should we? The EU demonstrates some of the problems.
"Way to just dismiss the value of the entire human race. No wonder the world doesn't like your view."
So now you say there are no bots, SPAM, ... and every comment is gold. Then we obviously don't need moderation and should ban it!
You can't or don't read very well! My comment was "...If fairness is the goal". But you say it has no place! I agree, how do we define 'fairness'. I don't believe it's possible. Just like defining hate speech etc.
". ..ONLY way to keep platforms from becoming a cesspool of vile and disgusting thoughts and ideas cluttering up the space.'. So now you are for censorship!
It appears that we have are two choices:
First, accept that "...cesspool of vile and disgusting thoughts and ideas cluttering up the space." And learn to deal with it OR
Second accept accept arbitrary capricious censorship as free speech (today's situation).
Neither is really that good but I agree that moderation as free speech is the lessor of two evils. In this case we need to strengthen 230 and intermediate liability! The persecution of Back Page is a good reason why! We need to ban foreign governments and entities form interference with American free speech as the EU and Indian government have recently done. We need to rather embrace 230 or throw it out not waffle like we are doing now!
Re: Terrible Ide
Well pervasive sloped by me, I could be a liberal and blame my spelling corrector/auto-complete, but I'll be an adult and accept responsibility. Prevailant is the right term. If you get 89% of the attention are you a platform or a public form? Address the issue not your goofy prescriptions ( I only have mature cincerns!).
Terrible Idea
First off this is really dumb! If we don't know if exists or how it's done now do we avoid it or counter it?
YouTube, Facebook et al, and Twitter have become so pervasive they are no longer publishers but public forms!
I agree
5G is a Telco fraud! They should make good on their promises and commitments before being allowed if they don't then the subsidies and tax breaks which they have should be reclained. Like wise any band width that they bought and don't use!
The problem is congress
The FCC is an invention of Congress and is a bipartisan mess. Psi deserves to be a target but the FCC is a bipartisan committee! The problem is regulatory capture and Congressmen who are paid off.
Right on, old, old problems
I totally agree with "If we want to protect democracy, we must make citizens more resilient and able to discern good information from bad." ! We have a bad systemic problem, regulate the thing! Don't try to change/regulate people tech regulation is the answer! This showed up in the early automobile and continues today. Dishonest homophobes push for "gun control" that st work. Around 90% of mass facility shootings occur in gun free zones (FB I data) so eliminating gun free zones will prevent mass shootings!? Then when the penny broad sheets became newspapers there were efforts to regulate them, they continue today with the shutdown of 'Backpage'. Any Democratic form of government relies on an descerning, intelligent population! I'm the U.S. and the EUROPEAN that has been destroyed by an education system which demands conformity not critical thoughts. Regulating tech is futile, just look at the auto death rate, they have been regulated heavily for over a century.
End copyright
Copyright was invented by the London Stationers Guild to ensure that the publisher made money. Why, well if a physical book was not published it didn't exist. It never was about creative's rights, and it still isn 't! Microsoft tried to do the right thing. You just take the money and replace the book, but what about your time to locate it, drive to a book store (good luck finding one or a given book) or down load it. What if it's not available? What will you do in a couple years when you must upgrade your TV or it stops working? What if your car swerved into on conning traffic and you can't effectively sue the manfacturer, because ZDRM prevents examination of his faulty code. (That could easily have happened with the 737 crashes where faulty code over ride the pilots and crashed the plane [criminally England design played a part too])!
Is copyright still a good thing? The publisher can off load the costs on the creative and only a few majors provide any editing, even the big guys like ACE, don't do a through editing job (spelling corrector and typeahead errors show up).
Copyright does not really help the creative. A big publisher has the bucks to go after criminal copyright violators, but the creative does not, so again copyright only benefits the big publisher. Some copyrights are destructive and ridiculous ; photos, software, design interfaces....
Copyright is way too long. Most material now is operating instructions and technical materal, average life is somewhere between 3 and 5 years-not the 99 of copyright.
(untitled comment)
You mean that they wrote some big "campaign contributions" to Ca liberal democrats, and promised members of the FCC big paying jobs when they get tired of their government boondoggle !
Stupid smelling corrector
Need to re read posts for stupid errors! I don't know how FCC becomes DVD!!
(untitled comment)
Blegh! Obviously!
Blame the right guys
Yes the president has a lot of influence with the FCC, BUT it is a creature of Congress and they are largely to blame for the mess! If you don't like the results then Congressional term limits are a partial answer. A more immediate answer is to track your Congress critters voted and let them know what you think. Activism by the voting public will help fix things. The problem is pervasive and bipartisan!
SS7
Back in the day AT&T needed to modernize control of the voice network to keep it functioning. Bell labs invented SS7 and implemented it (back then there was only AT&T)! They were happy with SS7 so they published a complete documentation of it. This led to the phone preaking movement. It's too late to undo this mistake and impossible to fix the system, where AT&T could say "this is SS7 like it or don't do phone business", now no one can say that!
The 'net had the potential for fixing the problem, instead the Telcos simply built them into the 'net!
DVD is a problem created by Congress looking for a solution!
The concept of the FCC is flawed. IT'S A COMMITTE! committees don't solve problems, they talk about them. The DVD was created to be animation body as communications are too important for partisan politics! It's become a big mess that mostly Landers money for corrupt bureaucrats and politicans. There is no chance for improvements without Congressionly term limits, a solution to the lobbying problem any to regulatory capture.
Of course we could impose intelligence and honesty requirements in bureaucrats and Congress!?
(untitled comment)
This isn't about the rich getting screwed or buy with anything it's about the government turning into a criminal enterprise that the mafia would love to be. A government which uses arbitrary and capricious laws to steal from people can't be considered legitimate!
(untitled comment)
Real ignorance here. The Chinese factories use failed farmers and migrating pheasants for labor. Out some of the welfare types to work the was the Chinese do "No work good no eat!" .
Petty theft
These are no different than the druggies and hang bangers who who lift and steal anything not nailed down to support their habit! This is a big cost of the failed war on drugs-turning the cops into the bad guys!
Yet another good reason to abandon patents and copyrights
Patents served America and the world well prior to SW, now they aren't just irrelevant they are becoming a disaster!
Blame the list was on drugs and weird writing
Just what-if anything-does "some suspicion the person whose property is being targeted is suspected of violating a crime. " mean. Interesting nonsense for an otherwise we'll written column.
Asset seizure was spawned by the goofy "war on drugs" that was doomed from the start-the volstead act was such a success-and more harm than good. It would have cost less just to let the druggies go and kill themselves. Citing out the criminal elements would have saved trillions of dollars (enough to pay for real treatment) and likely a million or so lives. Asset seizure is nothing but theft!
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