Yes, we're agreeing. I just didn't want you to put too much effort into arguing the FUD in the article. Tesla is carefully vetting the beta testers and they've been very safe. Drunk drivers hitting cop cars while failing to supervise standard release Autopilot are less safe.
This drunk driver mentioned at the start was not part of the FSD Beta test group. The article didn't do you any favors in explaining the situation. There have been NO accidents involving the ~2,000 Beta testers since they started in October 2020.
Right, the system works reasonably well and doesn't always ignore all immobile objects. That's why they're generally beneficial. But it has the same kinds of warnings Tesla uses:
WARNING: You are responsible for controlling your vehicle at all times. The system is designed to be an aid and does not relieve you of your responsibility to drive with due care and attention. Failure to follow this instruction could result in the loss of control of your vehicle, personal injury or death.
WARNING: The system only warns of vehicles detected by the radar sensor. In some cases there may be no warning or a delayed warning. Apply the brakes when necessary. Failure to follow this instruction could result in personal injury or death.
WARNING WARNING: The system may not detect stationary or slow moving vehicles below 10 km/h.
WARNING: Traffic-Aware Cruise Control is designed for your driving comfort and convenience and is not a collision warning or avoidance system. It is your responsibility to stay alert, drive safely, and be in control of the vehicle at all times. Never depend on Traffic-Aware Cruise Control to adequately slow down Model 3. Always watch the road in front of you at all time. Failure to do so can result in serious injury or death.
When cars "ignore" stopped objects, it's generally because the forward facing radar tells the system that there's nothing there. Radar is great for judging how fast objects are moving or differences in velocity, but when an object completely stops it blends into the background. Systems that rely too much on radar, trusting it over conflicting sensor inputs, are prone to these types of crash. They were designed to follow highway traffic at speed where, generally speaking, there aren't parked cars in the road.
Yes there's valid criticism to be found, though it's generally a good idea to understand the systems you're criticizing. This article is written with such a chip on its shoulder that it doesn't bother to distinguish between the limited access "FSD Beta" it wants to blame vs the standard "Autopilot" which was active during this crash. You also didn't seem to notice that they're also suing the bar which served alcohol to the driver, so he was drunk and not driving responsibly. But drunk drivers hitting things is so common it barely qualifies as news any more.
I know you can't repost the whole article here, but there are quite a few bits of info in it that make the used EV situation seem less dire. If you're interested in buying a used EV, head over and read the whole thing. And don't buy a used Leaf.
Seems like they Simpsons addressed this phenomenon 25 years ago:
I used to be with ‘it’, but then they changed what ‘it’ was. Now what I’m with isn’t ‘it’ anymore and what’s ‘it’ seems weird and scary. It’ll happen to you!
What about the company that printed 1,000 cards for profit? That was certainly a commercial use. I'd imagine they asked their clients if they had the rights to the image and were lied to.
So you can just use all the photos a portrait photographer takes because they're "of you"? That'd kinda ruin the business model where you only have to pay for the pictures you want.
Wouldn't a satellite do a better job at ISP in dense urban environments if it was just sitting on top of a building plugged into the fiber backhaul? You don't need to blast antennas off earth to get Internet to places there's already Internet.
In case it's not clear from the context, Sprint started charging a monthly $10 fee which was NOT for 4G service, but levied on a certain class of phone, whether it had 4G capability or not. They called it a "premium data" Add-on.
I expect that if Verizon really wants to charge $10 more, they'll find a way.
Reminds me of a conversation I had with Sprint reps 9 years ago when I used to pay for unlimited data.
Michael,
It's good to know that the plan descriptions on the Sprint web site are
accurate, thanks. However that displaces the only difference I could
discern between the normal data plan and the premium data plan. Premium
data does not refer to 4G and it does not refer to unlimited usage caps.
I'm going to assume it does not refer to reduced latency or packet loss.
So I'm at a loss as to how this offering is value added.
Maybe this discrepancy is grammar based. I've been assuming that
'premium' in your usage is an adjective describing the data available to
my device. However, since I can detect no additional value an adjective
would convey, it sounds like Sprint means to use this term as a noun.
premium [ˈpriːmɪəm]
n
(Business / Commerce) an amount paid in addition to a standard rate,
price, wage, etc.; bonus
adj.
Of superior quality or value: premium gasoline.
If this is the case I'd suggest rephrasing your publications and
paperwork to refer to the "data premium" instead. That indicates an
extra fee on top of the usual rate for unlimited data. Although the
user's device is apparently the metric you're using to charge the
premium so maybe "device premium" or "smartphone premium" would be more
appropriate. These devices are even value added from standard feature
phones, so you could use "premium device premium" if you wanted! These
are all good.
I'm also curious whether sprint has taken into account all the features
users can take advantage of with advanced handsets. The cameras and
processors are listed as reasons that users will use more 3G bandwidth
than their feature phone counterparts. However if using a larger
portion of the 3G back-haul system is a rationale for a device premium,
shouldn't specs that potentially lower traditional data consumption be
justification for discount? I'm referring to the WiFi and WiMax radios
in these devices that can ease the burden of over-taxed infrastructure
by making use of high bandwidth and non-Sprint systems.
Look, I know all these semantic arguments aren't really going convince
you to drop the new fee Sprint is assessing. And I'm actually fine with
paying what I pay for service. (I wouldn't complain if it was less, but
who would?) But I find it insulting that Sprint thinks they can raise
their prices and not admit it in their advertisements. If you need more
money to roll out 4G nationwide, that's fine. If you've realized that
demand is increasing for smart phones and decided to charge more in
response, that's fine too. But I do have a problem with selling the
same service for more money while pretending that it also has more
value.
When you benefit disproportionately from public persona and hyper-amplified influence, so too the consequences of losing said power and influence will seem disproportionate. If you've created an empire dependent on people admiring you, don't say shit that pisses everyone off.
Pretty much seems like the loudest voices are upset that the rest of us learned to scream back in unison.
Just as with copyright, you shouldn't be able to claim the building-blocks of language. Stick the blocks together in a meaningful pattern and then we'll talk.
"The Original"
FYI, there's a good amount of physical prior art.
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/5662/word-mastermind
Re: Re: Re: Oh, wait…what?
Yes, we're agreeing. I just didn't want you to put too much effort into arguing the FUD in the article. Tesla is carefully vetting the beta testers and they've been very safe. Drunk drivers hitting cop cars while failing to supervise standard release Autopilot are less safe.
Re: Oh, wait…what?
This drunk driver mentioned at the start was not part of the FSD Beta test group. The article didn't do you any favors in explaining the situation. There have been NO accidents involving the ~2,000 Beta testers since they started in October 2020.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Right, the system works reasonably well and doesn't always ignore all immobile objects. That's why they're generally beneficial. But it has the same kinds of warnings Tesla uses:
Ford Manual
Tesla Manual
Re: Re: Re:
When cars "ignore" stopped objects, it's generally because the forward facing radar tells the system that there's nothing there. Radar is great for judging how fast objects are moving or differences in velocity, but when an object completely stops it blends into the background. Systems that rely too much on radar, trusting it over conflicting sensor inputs, are prone to these types of crash. They were designed to follow highway traffic at speed where, generally speaking, there aren't parked cars in the road.
Re:
Yes there's valid criticism to be found, though it's generally a good idea to understand the systems you're criticizing. This article is written with such a chip on its shoulder that it doesn't bother to distinguish between the limited access "FSD Beta" it wants to blame vs the standard "Autopilot" which was active during this crash. You also didn't seem to notice that they're also suing the bar which served alcohol to the driver, so he was drunk and not driving responsibly. But drunk drivers hitting things is so common it barely qualifies as news any more.
If you're feeling FUD, read more.
I know you can't repost the whole article here, but there are quite a few bits of info in it that make the used EV situation seem less dire. If you're interested in buying a used EV, head over and read the whole thing. And don't buy a used Leaf.
Re:
Seems like they Simpsons addressed this phenomenon 25 years ago:
Re: Drive the lawyers insane
Get ready to see some really exceptional owls.
Re: Re: Re: 1000 Christmas cards?
What about the company that printed 1,000 cards for profit? That was certainly a commercial use. I'd imagine they asked their clients if they had the rights to the image and were lied to.
Re: Re: Re: Re:
So you can just use all the photos a portrait photographer takes because they're "of you"? That'd kinda ruin the business model where you only have to pay for the pictures you want.
Time to drop "Generation" marketing?
What are the responses on the follow-up question "Do you understand that 5G Cellular is not 5 GHz Wi-Fi?"
I bet we'll have the a similar problem with 6G because they're marketing 802.11 ax as Wi-Fi 6.
Re: C'mon Karl, your basing this article on Vice reporting?!
Wouldn't a satellite do a better job at ISP in dense urban environments if it was just sitting on top of a building plugged into the fiber backhaul? You don't need to blast antennas off earth to get Internet to places there's already Internet.
Re: Premium Data Premium
In case it's not clear from the context, Sprint started charging a monthly $10 fee which was NOT for 4G service, but levied on a certain class of phone, whether it had 4G capability or not. They called it a "premium data" Add-on.
I expect that if Verizon really wants to charge $10 more, they'll find a way.
Premium Data Premium
Reminds me of a conversation I had with Sprint reps 9 years ago when I used to pay for unlimited data.
Show them the tropes
There's an entire segment of police procedural tv-shows devoted to not-detectives who break laws to get leads for the cops. It's just mainstream.
Re: Re: Re: Re:
Wow.
Re:
STFU or I shall taunt you a second time.
Fame is a bitch.
When you benefit disproportionately from public persona and hyper-amplified influence, so too the consequences of losing said power and influence will seem disproportionate. If you've created an empire dependent on people admiring you, don't say shit that pisses everyone off.
Pretty much seems like the loudest voices are upset that the rest of us learned to scream back in unison.
Re: Maybe this would make sense
Just as with copyright, you shouldn't be able to claim the building-blocks of language. Stick the blocks together in a meaningful pattern and then we'll talk.
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