Not really. /r/gamerghazi is anti-GG. /r/kotakuinaction is pro-GG.
Yes, it is that cut and dry, no matter how you wish to spin it. Both make fun of the other side's lunacy. There's still a huge difference in speech when you go to each of them while posing as belonging to the opposite side. Saying it isn't so only makes me certain you don't actually pay attention to what the dialogue is on both subreddits.
Feel free to go to 8chan. Go there and post a thread advocating doxxing or death threats and see yourself get shouted down with enough force to split atoms. Try to advocate bullying and get told to take yourself somewhere else.
In case you missed the developments, there is an acknowledged 3rd side (maybe even more) trying to play both pro and anti GG against each other, namely the SA Goons. They've been causing no small amount of havok and both sides are taking hits.
If you want to be really honest, go see the rhetoric on the subreddits. It IS the best example of how both sides have their discourse.
I can point you towards one article with 2 interviews, one pro-GG, one anti-GG. But you're not going to believe the anti-GG isn't trolling, despite the rhetoric being exactly as shown. https://archive.today/hnLFH
Try going to /r/kotakuinaction (pro-GG) and asking questions while posing as anti-GG.
Then do the opposite, going to /r/gamerghazi (anti-GG) posing as a pro-GG.
I saw 4 people who did, all went from being on the fence to being pro-GG.
Personally, I just care about the ethics in game journalism and the looming soft censorship that will come out of letting the "cultural critics" shame devs into not making games with "inappropriate content" or people buying them because "games make you sexist". I also have a problem with the identity assassination being perpetrated by the same people we accuse of being unethical (surprise, surprise) which goes over the top when it comes to Gamergate's sister hashtag, NotYourShield (created by a black man to tell the people using them as a shield that they have their own thoughts and agency and thus, were not to be their shield).
Yes, they're trying and no, I don't care that people make critique, as long as it isn't trying to sell me faulty conclusions based on non-existent data.
Jack Thompson didn't have *credible* data in regards to violence and these "cultural critics" don't have it in regards to sexism. The last time they were allowed to run amok in an industry, they pretty much killed all innovation in it (comic books, for those unaware, which started with Wertham).
On the harassment, I see no concrete evidence of GG harassing (as per the legal definition) but loads of anti-GG saying some very horrible things (members of the gaming press included, Leigh Alexander's words over the years have been nothing short of extremely racist to exceptionally insulting), to the point where there's a rather large tumblr dedicated to it (http://gamergateharassment.tumblr.com/).
Doesn't help that this is what normally happens in interactions with neutrals in this debate (https://archive.today/hnLFH "Pro Vs Anti GamerGate – Two Interviews").
Let's keep in mind that in the middle of all of this, the only unbiased places to read about GamerGate are KnowYourMeme (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/gamergate) and... Enciclopedia Dramatica (https://encyclopediadramatica.es/GamerGate). Because Wikipedia has a horde of people purging any attempt at unbiasing the article on GamerGate to balance out all the SJW propaganda.
People claiming that eSports aren't sports are the same breed of people that claim that video games aren't art. Because apparently movies never saw that kind of prejudice. Or some music genres. Or certain types of painting styles.
Old people can't help but try to be the "caretakers of good taste" to hilarious degrees.
I remember playing Dota and League of Legends matches and coming out of the experience sweating and with elevated heart rate. The physical effort in an eSport may not be *as high* but it's certainly there. The mental effort is probably far greater than a more physically inclined sport. To give you an idea, and this is purely from Dota, you have ability cooldowns and effects, for about 6-7 heroes for yourself which you play regularly to be a pro and for every other hero in the game, because that's relevant for when you're trading hits on a 5 *million* dollar match, the *item* cooldowns and cost and effects for the position you play in (and many items can be dual or triple role items), there's the average gold earnings from killing a lane creep (there's 3 of those with different values), a neutral creep camp (there's a bit more than half a dozen of those).
But let's pick an even easier example to explain the mental strain that the game can put on you. One of the Dota heroes is called Invoker, who has 4 basic skills. 3 of them summon an orb of a certain kind (Quas, Wex, Exort) and Invoke, which summons a spell based on the *combination* of the 3 you have currently summoned which ends up in 10 spells that can be invoked. Pros can use combinations of up to 3 spells (maybe more, if they have enough mana for it and are fast on the button mashing). And every single one of these spells have a very different effect. YOU try doing that sort of mental juggling while worrying on whether you can initiate a fight, contest creep kills, dash towards a river rune, counter-initiate a fight, gank someone, snipe someone with Sunstrike and whatever else is left.
Face it, your definition of "sport" is older than it should be. Don't be "the guy" that imitates the idiots that said that chess wasn't a sport (officially it is and that's what matters).
Every comment you sound more and more like the proverbial old man yelling at the cloud. Just like the people that said chess was never going to be a sport. That said, if it's interesting to watch, competitive and people can make a living off of it (that includes network coverage actually providing profit), then why not a Go Fish tournament. Certainly beats baseball for me, I think it's the most boring ass "sport" there is.
On that note, I'd actually enjoy watching pankration come back to the Olympics. There's a certain allure to watching two people beat each other until one of them is KO'd, gives up or ends up dead (which results in the person living to lose). More interesting than boxing.
Sorry, but this perspective on surveillance gave me the chills. Just because "it's not my problem" doesn't mean it won't end up like what this guy wrote.
"Unlike some other nations, the United States does not monitor anyone’s communications in order to suppress criticism or to put people at a disadvantage based on their ethnicity, race, gender, sexual orientation or religion."
Wasn't the CIA/NSA/whatever agency intending on using what they collected to trash the reputation of certain targets? Or am I remembering incorrectly?
If this comment isn't satire, I'd say EA won the war and will never go out of business. Enough people like this keep EA in business. That and gutting franchises until not even bone marrow is left.
"government entities are swiftly turning the former last resort -- a court battle -- into just another step in the public records process."
Not like they can... I don't know... classify the documents because terrorism and patriotic thingamajingies and spooky stuff. No court case exists if the NSA/CIA/FBI can fumble their way into the fray in exchange for some extra "help" (not that they need it, but... yeah).
If the Netflix/Hulu/Random Media Player started giving away free stuff in exchange for cryptocurrency mining, then the **AA and co. would start asking for a tax on those "coins", wouldn't they?
How deliciously ironic would it be for the police to follow through their threat only to be welcomed by "Living in America", "Born in the USA" or some other similar song to be used as BGM for the "raid"? On the upside, at least it isn't in the UK, where he'd have the police AND the royalties societies up his ass.
"When you think about these different responses, it suggests to me that the military justice system is not working," Davis said.
Next season, a new series emerges... Law & Order : U.S. Military. Where every case excuses killing and none excuses sending information to news organizations. Because "AMERICA! FUCK YEAH!"
"Finally, most apropro" I think you meant apropos.
Also, all this whistleblowing is certainly airing a rather moldy closet. Filled with cockroaches. And burned copies of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution of the US.
Like Prenda & Co.? Like Twisted Sister (although I think this was a bad case of derpitis)?
There are plenty of examples of poor usage of copyright and not enough of proper usage because copyright is so very much f'd up, thanks to successive adjustments that do not benefit the public (which should be the primary stakeholder in the discussion and not the ignored stakeholder).
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/r/gamerghazi is anti-GG.
/r/kotakuinaction is pro-GG.
Yes, it is that cut and dry, no matter how you wish to spin it. Both make fun of the other side's lunacy. There's still a huge difference in speech when you go to each of them while posing as belonging to the opposite side. Saying it isn't so only makes me certain you don't actually pay attention to what the dialogue is on both subreddits.
Feel free to go to 8chan. Go there and post a thread advocating doxxing or death threats and see yourself get shouted down with enough force to split atoms. Try to advocate bullying and get told to take yourself somewhere else.
In case you missed the developments, there is an acknowledged 3rd side (maybe even more) trying to play both pro and anti GG against each other, namely the SA Goons. They've been causing no small amount of havok and both sides are taking hits.
If you want to be really honest, go see the rhetoric on the subreddits. It IS the best example of how both sides have their discourse.
Re: Re: Re: Should Have Included A Link
Try going to /r/kotakuinaction (pro-GG) and asking questions while posing as anti-GG.
Then do the opposite, going to /r/gamerghazi (anti-GG) posing as a pro-GG.
I saw 4 people who did, all went from being on the fence to being pro-GG.
Re: Should Have Included A Link
I do enjoy this reading things by this particular author and she manages to be fairly neutral in her analysis of GG.
Thank you
Personally, I just care about the ethics in game journalism and the looming soft censorship that will come out of letting the "cultural critics" shame devs into not making games with "inappropriate content" or people buying them because "games make you sexist". I also have a problem with the identity assassination being perpetrated by the same people we accuse of being unethical (surprise, surprise) which goes over the top when it comes to Gamergate's sister hashtag, NotYourShield (created by a black man to tell the people using them as a shield that they have their own thoughts and agency and thus, were not to be their shield).
Yes, they're trying and no, I don't care that people make critique, as long as it isn't trying to sell me faulty conclusions based on non-existent data.
Jack Thompson didn't have *credible* data in regards to violence and these "cultural critics" don't have it in regards to sexism. The last time they were allowed to run amok in an industry, they pretty much killed all innovation in it (comic books, for those unaware, which started with Wertham).
On the harassment, I see no concrete evidence of GG harassing (as per the legal definition) but loads of anti-GG saying some very horrible things (members of the gaming press included, Leigh Alexander's words over the years have been nothing short of extremely racist to exceptionally insulting), to the point where there's a rather large tumblr dedicated to it (http://gamergateharassment.tumblr.com/).
Doesn't help that this is what normally happens in interactions with neutrals in this debate (https://archive.today/hnLFH "Pro Vs Anti GamerGate – Two Interviews").
http://puu.sh/couJd/741898b28b.png This is my parting shot.
Re: Re: Considering that Moot...
Been there. Often.
Old people can't help but try to be the "caretakers of good taste" to hilarious degrees.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: eSports?
But let's pick an even easier example to explain the mental strain that the game can put on you. One of the Dota heroes is called Invoker, who has 4 basic skills. 3 of them summon an orb of a certain kind (Quas, Wex, Exort) and Invoke, which summons a spell based on the *combination* of the 3 you have currently summoned which ends up in 10 spells that can be invoked. Pros can use combinations of up to 3 spells (maybe more, if they have enough mana for it and are fast on the button mashing). And every single one of these spells have a very different effect. YOU try doing that sort of mental juggling while worrying on whether you can initiate a fight, contest creep kills, dash towards a river rune, counter-initiate a fight, gank someone, snipe someone with Sunstrike and whatever else is left.
Face it, your definition of "sport" is older than it should be. Don't be "the guy" that imitates the idiots that said that chess wasn't a sport (officially it is and that's what matters).
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: eSports?
On that note, I'd actually enjoy watching pankration come back to the Olympics. There's a certain allure to watching two people beat each other until one of them is KO'd, gives up or ends up dead (which results in the person living to lose). More interesting than boxing.
I'd rather not go through what this guy exposed
Sorry, but this perspective on surveillance gave me the chills. Just because "it's not my problem" doesn't mean it won't end up like what this guy wrote.
Wait, hold up a second
Wasn't the CIA/NSA/whatever agency intending on using what they collected to trash the reputation of certain targets? Or am I remembering incorrectly?
Re: Sorry, this article and whole premise is crap
Re: Small change needed:
You embezzle a million, you pay at least that much back. Private or public.
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Not like they can... I don't know... classify the documents because terrorism and patriotic thingamajingies and spooky stuff. No court case exists if the NSA/CIA/FBI can fumble their way into the fray in exchange for some extra "help" (not that they need it, but... yeah).
However...
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In which case, enough money would be spent on boots to make the military spending look like pocket change. Not that I'd mind, it would be glorious.
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Next season, a new series emerges... Law & Order : U.S. Military. Where every case excuses killing and none excuses sending information to news organizations. Because "AMERICA! FUCK YEAH!"
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Also, all this whistleblowing is certainly airing a rather moldy closet. Filled with cockroaches. And burned copies of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution of the US.
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Like Prenda & Co.? Like Twisted Sister (although I think this was a bad case of derpitis)?
There are plenty of examples of poor usage of copyright and not enough of proper usage because copyright is so very much f'd up, thanks to successive adjustments that do not benefit the public (which should be the primary stakeholder in the discussion and not the ignored stakeholder).
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