Proudhon's "What is Property?". Written in 1840 (in french) it IS a tad dry. So let me sum it up for you.
"PROPERTY IS THEFT"
There, how is that for an argument. All property is nothing more than stealing from the rest of us. The only reason you "own" anything is because you stole it from "the public domain".
We are simply taking back what was ours to begin with.
Nowhere in the laws I know does it say that it is legal to run a red light just because no one sees you.
Of course it doesn't.
It is not legal. Period. It's a traffic violation. No, you won't get a ticket if no one's there, but that doesn't suddenly make it legal.
No it does NOT make it legal, but it does make it "legal".
So choosing to ignore laws (of any kind) fits within the scope of anarchy. Chaos and disorder. Ignore the government laws and you have chaos. Anarchy.
I'm going to ignore the fact that you equate chaos and anarchy (to me that is just as offensive as equating infringement and stealing).
8 anarchists in 1886 decided to get violent, and anarchists have had to live with that label ever since. But you are right, I am a proud anarchist.
We (anarchist's) normally refer to people whose only argument is "but but... the LAW" as Satans Cocksuckers (Bill Hicks said it), and then proceed to ignore the hell out of them.
I'd agree the government is always right, and laws aren't always right and may need changed to keep up with the times. But ignoring them isn't the way to do it.
I assume you meant "is NOT always right".
And, as you may have guessed, I disagree. Ignoring them is THE ONLY way to do it. As an anarchist I can't really "run for office" (that whole "No Gods, No Masters" thing).
So my point remains. Yes I know that copying is not legal. Yes I do it anyway. AND THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING YOU OR ANYBODY ELSE CAN DO ABOUT IT. That was my only point, make all the laws you like (we ignore them), block every website you can find (we don't rely on the DNS system), make torrent, mp3, Tor, VPN etc illegal (we come up with a new system).
And you can scream about that all you want, in the end we will just ignore you.
According to my step dad (who is a cop by the way), running a red light is perfectly legal... as long as nobody sees it.
So yes, running a red light IS legal, if nobody is "harmed" by it. But the minute somebody (a cop??) see you do it, well we know what happens then.
So I would argue that copying (call is stealing if you like) is perfectly legal... as long as nobody finds out about it.
So the ball is back in your court now. I copy/steal EVERY god damn day. Do you want to bitch about that, well go right ahead (you are right, we don't care). You cant prove that I did it (nobody saw it :) and technically you cant do ANYTHING about it (well you COULD break the internet, that would slow it down some, but good luck with that).
And you can call me an immoral nogood freetard info-hippie if that makes you feel any better. Start making sane laws and we might consider obeying some of them, until then ... pfth.
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I think their logic goes something like this.
Piracy is a problem, something must be done.
And since we don't know what to do, we will do this because then "something has been done".
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Myths (as Jotunbane)
>which laws you obey and which you don't.
Hmmm... Yes you do.
>You get to vote at elections and have your say then.
If money talks, and bullshit walks. Then you sir, are flying.
Re: Re: Re:
Proudhon's "What is Property?". Written in 1840 (in french) it IS a tad dry. So let me sum it up for you.
"PROPERTY IS THEFT"
There, how is that for an argument. All property is nothing more than stealing from the rest of us. The only reason you "own" anything is because you stole it from "the public domain".
We are simply taking back what was ours to begin with.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: It can be. (as Jotunbane)
Of course it doesn't.
No it does NOT make it legal, but it does make it "legal".
I'm going to ignore the fact that you equate chaos and anarchy (to me that is just as offensive as equating infringement and stealing).
8 anarchists in 1886 decided to get violent, and anarchists have had to live with that label ever since. But you are right, I am a proud anarchist.
We (anarchist's) normally refer to people whose only argument is "but but... the LAW" as Satans Cocksuckers (Bill Hicks said it), and then proceed to ignore the hell out of them.
I assume you meant "is NOT always right".
And, as you may have guessed, I disagree. Ignoring them is THE ONLY way to do it. As an anarchist I can't really "run for office" (that whole "No Gods, No Masters" thing).
So my point remains. Yes I know that copying is not legal. Yes I do it anyway. AND THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING YOU OR ANYBODY ELSE CAN DO ABOUT IT. That was my only point, make all the laws you like (we ignore them), block every website you can find (we don't rely on the DNS system), make torrent, mp3, Tor, VPN etc illegal (we come up with a new system).
And you can scream about that all you want, in the end we will just ignore you.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: It can be. (as Jotunbane)
So yes, running a red light IS legal, if nobody is "harmed" by it. But the minute somebody (a cop??) see you do it, well we know what happens then.
So I would argue that copying (call is stealing if you like) is perfectly legal... as long as nobody finds out about it.
So the ball is back in your court now. I copy/steal EVERY god damn day. Do you want to bitch about that, well go right ahead (you are right, we don't care). You cant prove that I did it (nobody saw it :) and technically you cant do ANYTHING about it (well you COULD break the internet, that would slow it down some, but good luck with that).
And you can call me an immoral nogood freetard info-hippie if that makes you feel any better. Start making sane laws and we might consider obeying some of them, until then ... pfth.
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