I do agree with your statement, however ... You understate the prevalence & severity of these abuses! Your words "... is screwing mostly innocent people ..." should be (IMHO) "is screwing ANY innocent people, leaving them without ANY recourse, ...".
Were these laws unwisely written & blindly passed in the publicity rush to facilitate "The War on Drugs"? Or (tinfoil-hat alert) were these laws covertly attacking our U.S. Constitution, covertly eroding our civil rights, & covertly raising revenue without raising taxes? Perhaps no more so the the more recent Patriot Act supporting "The War on Terrorism". (We are winning these battles, real soon now, right? This year, right?)
IMHO, one more example of Legislative stupidity, "gotta do something" rather than really studying the issue & developing a sustainable solution. SSDD in all legislative bodies at all levels since the 70's, IMHO. Law makers at one time wrote bills themselves (with their staff & legal advisor) and read all they voted on, for-or-against. Today's lawmakers get the bills they sponsor or propose written for them by Lobbyists!
I am unclear as to the premise of your comment. To me it is incomplete &/or unsupported.
In any case, I urge any & all to Google the following phrases (although they are similar, each returns different Search Results): - U.S. Civil Asset Forfeiture abuse - U.S. Civil Asset Forfeiture abuse cases - state-by-state Civil Asset Forfeiture laws - Civil Asset Forfeiture reforms - Civil Asset Forfeiture reforms needed - Civil Asset Forfeiture reforms urgently needed
Why do I believe we all need to look-into this issue? Consider the following scenario. Anyone could be pulled-over for a malfunctioning tail/stop or license-plate lamp. Previously your significant-other broke a bag of sugar/flour/plant-food while unloading the groceries, leaving a "white powder residue" visible to the officer conducting the traffic stop. Your vehicle is seized for evidence of a suspected drug in plain-sight. Of course, it will be analyzed by the authorities, later. But if the seizure is concurrently processed as a Civil Forfeiture, based only on the possibility (the officer's perception) that it is contraband, by the time the forensic analysis is returned, your property could be well beyond your reach!
Perhaps, "... did fix a problem to begin with ..." is accurate, however, the original intent was not specifically written into the laws.
There were no constructive limits to its application (only limited by the creative writing abilities of the "arresting" officer doing the seizing).
Nothing was written into the statutes specifying any accounting-for of the property. This simple "oversight" has resulted in truly innocent folks having almost no recovery methods (other than lawyer & court battles at their own expense without ultimate recovery of those fees) to get their stuff returned!
I believe I read somewhere that some court ruling decided that the seizing agency cannot be forced to reveal where the property itself (or deed or title) is actually located so that the rightful owner may recover it. I believe anybody interested in this "legal" point can find something poignant using Google Search. If anybody is really interested in finding a solution to this abuse, that is!
My Dear Mr./Ms./Miss/Master/Mistress/OrWhateverYeBe:
I applaud your equal-opportunity bigotry! 'Tis not often we see all-inclusive stereotyped classes so uniformly fucked-at! Do carry-on the difficult but necessary task you have undertaken.
It is apparent why you have chosen to Anonymous, to me at least. Wasting our precious bandwidth by posing the kwestun you have, instead of S'gTFW, using Google, bing, Yahoo!, DuckDuckGo, or even яндекс (yandex), is IMHO, a neophyte move, or a trollish one.
Can there be rational discussions, valid conclusions, or any solutions without a commonly agreed set of Definitions and of Facts & Figures?
How can one communicate with the paid-propagandists, the willfully ignorant, the anti-intellectuals, the volunteer-propagandists, and the political loyalists (seemingly unpatriotic by their actions)? Obfuscators, they be, one and all! Or are the simply suffering sociopaths (or psychopaths) overwhelmed by the complexities of the World today?
Words used accurately should be describing reality, facilitating cooperative solution-seeking, I believe.
Pity is all we can offer the self-deluded fearful fools trying to create Reality with their creative writing, fantasies, lies, IMHO.
You've provided no corroborative nor supportive references or links. (not even anecdotal stories) How is one to consider you comment as contributing to the conversation? Subjectively, I disregard spouted-out opinions as valueless bandwidth and time wasting noise. What is the use of your comment past "venting" about some personal unrevealed previous perceived "injury" by the Court? Care to share?
The link goes through bit.ly to "a round tuit - Google (image) Search". Cute it is. But what contribution to the conversation is it? Please assist me in understanding why it is not simply juvenile!
Re: Ninja comment on 23 Jan '17 @ 1107hrs
You understate the prevalence & severity of these abuses!
Your words "... is screwing mostly innocent people ..." should be (IMHO) "is screwing ANY innocent people, leaving them without ANY recourse, ...".
Were these laws unwisely written & blindly passed in the publicity rush to facilitate "The War on Drugs"?
Or (tinfoil-hat alert) were these laws covertly attacking our U.S. Constitution, covertly eroding our civil rights, & covertly raising revenue without raising taxes?
Perhaps no more so the the more recent Patriot Act supporting "The War on Terrorism". (We are winning these battles, real soon now, right? This year, right?)
IMHO, one more example of Legislative stupidity, "gotta do something" rather than really studying the issue & developing a sustainable solution. SSDD in all legislative bodies at all levels since the 70's, IMHO. Law makers at one time wrote bills themselves (with their staff & legal advisor) and read all they voted on, for-or-against.
Today's lawmakers get the bills they sponsor or propose written for them by Lobbyists!
Re: Not parallel construction
In any case, I urge any & all to Google the following phrases (although they are similar, each returns different Search Results):
- U.S. Civil Asset Forfeiture abuse
- U.S. Civil Asset Forfeiture abuse cases
- state-by-state Civil Asset Forfeiture laws
- Civil Asset Forfeiture reforms
- Civil Asset Forfeiture reforms needed
- Civil Asset Forfeiture reforms urgently needed
Why do I believe we all need to look-into this issue? Consider the following scenario.
Anyone could be pulled-over for a malfunctioning tail/stop or license-plate lamp.
Previously your significant-other broke a bag of sugar/flour/plant-food while unloading the groceries, leaving a "white powder residue" visible to the officer conducting the traffic stop.
Your vehicle is seized for evidence of a suspected drug in plain-sight.
Of course, it will be analyzed by the authorities, later.
But if the seizure is concurrently processed as a Civil Forfeiture,
based only on the possibility (the officer's perception) that it is contraband,
by the time the forensic analysis is returned,
your property could be well beyond your reach!
Re: (subject was left blank)
There were no constructive limits to its application (only limited by the creative writing abilities of the "arresting" officer doing the seizing).
Nothing was written into the statutes specifying any accounting-for of the property. This simple "oversight" has resulted in truly innocent folks having almost no recovery methods (other than lawyer & court battles at their own expense without ultimate recovery of those fees) to get their stuff returned!
I believe I read somewhere that some court ruling decided that the seizing agency cannot be forced to reveal where the property itself (or deed or title) is actually located so that the rightful owner may recover it. I believe anybody interested in this "legal" point can find something poignant using Google Search. If anybody is really interested in finding a solution to this abuse, that is!
Re:
Re: fuck getty, et alia
I applaud your equal-opportunity bigotry!
'Tis not often we see all-inclusive stereotyped classes so uniformly fucked-at!
Do carry-on the difficult but necessary task you have undertaken.
Re: What the heck does CwF + RtB mean?
It is apparent why you have chosen to Anonymous, to me at least. Wasting our precious bandwidth by posing the kwestun you have, instead of S'gTFW, using Google, bing, Yahoo!, DuckDuckGo, or even яндекс (yandex), is IMHO, a neophyte move, or a trollish one.
Welcome to the Age of Everyman's Private Facts!
How can one communicate with the paid-propagandists, the willfully ignorant, the anti-intellectuals, the volunteer-propagandists, and the political loyalists (seemingly unpatriotic by their actions)? Obfuscators, they be, one and all! Or are the simply suffering sociopaths (or psychopaths) overwhelmed by the complexities of the World today?
Words used accurately should be describing reality, facilitating cooperative solution-seeking, I believe.
Pity is all we can offer the self-deluded fearful fools trying to create Reality with their creative writing, fantasies, lies, IMHO.
Re: "I feel like none of you know the reality..."
What is the use of your comment past "venting" about some personal unrevealed previous perceived "injury" by the Court? Care to share?
Re:
"a round tuit - Google (image) Search".
Cute it is.
But what contribution to the conversation is it?
Please assist me in understanding
why it is not simply juvenile!
Re: artikel for all
I feel they should pay for "real" ad space on Techdirt!
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