TRUMP: Excuse me, they didn't put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.
and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally – but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people, but you also had troublemakers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats – you had a lot of bad people in the other group too.
He was talking about the people that were there to protest the statues being torn down. he distinctly seperated those protesters from the neo nazis that were there. Just as he seperated those supporting tearing down the statues from the antifa members.
There were fine people at those protests that were for and against the statues that did peaceful protesting.
There were very bad and nasty people on both sides as well. The neo nazis and antifa both of those groups used violence against anyone that disagreed with them.
Trump is an idiot but I cannot stand people lying about him to make him look bad. he does well enough on his own to make himself look bad.
what happens when the word nazi is used simply because someone disagreed with you, not because they support the nazis? Like calling someone a racist because they criticized Obama.
I am all for shutting down nazis, what I take issue with is the term nazi being applied to everyone and anyone that disagrees with the person doing the moderation regardless if they actually are one or not.
You are wrong. They have the history of defending themselves after being attacked.
A fascist seeks to use violence to shut down political speech. Bit ironic those that are advocating violence to shut down nazis and others political speech can't see themselves to be the very fascists they claim to be against.
If they do not want to get sued for political discrimination, they need to apply their rules equally to everyone. Not pick and choose which users get banned because they like some more than others.
an edit: The problem with saying "let's ban nazis" is that everyone that disagrees with the person in charge of moderation gets labeled a nazi. Look at antifa, they routinely call anyone that disagrees with their methods a nazi. No matter who they are, if they do not support antifa 100% they are automatically a nazi.
Is anyone really surprised at this? Hate speech used as a false justification to ban. When you have people that use your platform that you dislike but they never break any of your rules. Then you have to use something like "hate speech" to justify banning them.
The lemmings openly supported this censorship thinking it would only be used against people they dislike. They don't know their history. This will be used to censor and shut down everyone. Because everything is considered hate speech to someone else.
Youtube has already said criticizing immigration will get you banned. Because reasons.
This has nothing to do with hate speech. it is all about controlling the narrative and making sure people live in an echo chamber. Anyone who dares to disagree will be censored.
If they had their way this website would be blacklisted simply because it criticizes those in power.
Poor bastards. They were so proud of the government gun control. Now they have next to no means of protecting themselves from a tyrannical government. Simply because they thought it would never be directed at them, only at people they didn't like.
Cracks me up that linda sarsour one of the biggest supporters of the belief that women are property to be owned by men, and should have no rights at all is of the leaders of a "womens rights" group.
I have little doubt we shall soon see the victim card being played by sarsour for why she lost that argument.
I find when it comes to people happen that hate trump for whatever reason make the claim they are a victim. The "victim" teds to be found out as lying to gain sympathy or to smear their accusers.
I am not talking about Ford and kavanaugh. There are plenty of examples I saw in the media after Trump got elected where people claimed they were victims of racism. Where it turned out they made the whole thing up to try and make republicans looks bad. Every single one of them got charged with filing false police reports, that's why it made the news.
Sounds like what Obama did when he ordered the DoJ to force banks to shut down accounts of businesses and individuals he didn't like that had done nothing wrong by the terms of the law.
Re: Just... no (as Padpaw)
I am curious are you referencing trump's very fine people quote?
If so you really should go look up what he actually said instead of what people say he said.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/15/full-text-trump-comments-white-supremacists-alt-left -transcript-241662
TRUMP: Excuse me, they didn't put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.
and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally – but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people, but you also had troublemakers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats – you had a lot of bad people in the other group too.
He was talking about the people that were there to protest the statues being torn down. he distinctly seperated those protesters from the neo nazis that were there. Just as he seperated those supporting tearing down the statues from the antifa members.
There were fine people at those protests that were for and against the statues that did peaceful protesting.
There were very bad and nasty people on both sides as well. The neo nazis and antifa both of those groups used violence against anyone that disagreed with them.
Trump is an idiot but I cannot stand people lying about him to make him look bad. he does well enough on his own to make himself look bad.
Re: Re: Just... no (as Padpaw)
sorry didn't realize i wasn't signed in still, thats me.
Re: (as Padpaw)
what happens when the word nazi is used simply because someone disagreed with you, not because they support the nazis? Like calling someone a racist because they criticized Obama.
I am all for shutting down nazis, what I take issue with is the term nazi being applied to everyone and anyone that disagrees with the person doing the moderation regardless if they actually are one or not.
Re: Re: (as Padpaw)
You are wrong. They have the history of defending themselves after being attacked.
A fascist seeks to use violence to shut down political speech. Bit ironic those that are advocating violence to shut down nazis and others political speech can't see themselves to be the very fascists they claim to be against.
Re: (as Padpaw)
If they do not want to get sued for political discrimination, they need to apply their rules equally to everyone. Not pick and choose which users get banned because they like some more than others.
Re: Ironically Fascism (as Padpaw)
an edit: The problem with saying "let's ban nazis" is that everyone that disagrees with the person in charge of moderation gets labeled a nazi. Look at antifa, they routinely call anyone that disagrees with their methods a nazi. No matter who they are, if they do not support antifa 100% they are automatically a nazi.
(untitled comment) (as Padpaw)
sounds like they are ensuring their conviction rate to get a higher paying job elsewhere to me.
Ironically Fascism (as Padpaw)
Is anyone really surprised at this? Hate speech used as a false justification to ban. When you have people that use your platform that you dislike but they never break any of your rules. Then you have to use something like "hate speech" to justify banning them.
The lemmings openly supported this censorship thinking it would only be used against people they dislike. They don't know their history. This will be used to censor and shut down everyone. Because everything is considered hate speech to someone else.
Youtube has already said criticizing immigration will get you banned. Because reasons.
This has nothing to do with hate speech. it is all about controlling the narrative and making sure people live in an echo chamber. Anyone who dares to disagree will be censored.
If they had their way this website would be blacklisted simply because it criticizes those in power.
History repeats itself (as Padpaw)
Poor bastards. They were so proud of the government gun control. Now they have next to no means of protecting themselves from a tyrannical government. Simply because they thought it would never be directed at them, only at people they didn't like.
Irony (as Padpaw)
Cracks me up that linda sarsour one of the biggest supporters of the belief that women are property to be owned by men, and should have no rights at all is of the leaders of a "womens rights" group.
I have little doubt we shall soon see the victim card being played by sarsour for why she lost that argument.
Re: Not so fast (as Padpaw)
I think for some groups they have been holding a 2 year long temper tantrum at this point over Trump being president.
Re: Re: (as Padpaw)
I am not talking about Ford and kavanaugh. There are plenty of examples I saw in the media after Trump got elected where people claimed they were victims of racism. Where it turned out they made the whole thing up to try and make republicans looks bad. Every single one of them got charged with filing false police reports, that's why it made the news.
Re: Re: Makes sense (as Padpaw)
(untitled comment) (as Padpaw)
I believe their system for deciding who a bot is and isn't is quite simple.
Anyone who disagrees with them is a bot and anyone who agrees with what they say isn't a bot.
Re: What? (as Padpaw)
Having a sign implying the republican party supports molesting children seems like it would be breaking at least a few laws.
Doesn't seem like a free speech issue when you are accusing someone of being a child predator.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Makes sense (as Padpaw)
I keep seeing people making this accusation, but they are never able to back it up when asked how he lied.
(untitled comment) (as Padpaw)
Re: Re: Re: "Sex traffickers will go on trafficking." -- Do nothing, eh? (as Padpaw)
Re: Re: "Sex traffickers will go on trafficking." -- Do nothing, eh? (as Padpaw)
Anyone that refuses to be chipped is obviously a criminal /s
(untitled comment) (as Padpaw)
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