Californian living in Oregon here. Waiting periods, registration and background checks just seem natural to me, because I grew up with those stipulations. Now that I live in Oregon, I know some truely enthusiastic gun owners that would fight tooth and nail to prevent those things in this state.
Oregon doesn't have the crime issue that California supposedly does (I'm from rural North California, so I didn't really see that, it's a different California than the one the rest of the country hears about), so I understand the more lax (HAHA!) views on the matter. But, being somewhat of a libertarian, this matter could be resolved without any actual legislation. The courts have proven willing to hold manufacturers potentially liable for their products. If gun sellers had a similar responsibility to the public, as they should, they would jump through the hoops willingly to make sure thier customers were legit.
Exactly what I was thinking. I actually felt the moment of fear that the baggage handlers must have felt, watching that revolver fall to the ground. Some compact revolvers these days are hammerless, and most have some sort of safeguard against accidental discharge, but the idea of a .38 falling on its hammer and firing scares the crap out of me. The gun owner is an idiot./div>
I really think all speeding cases should come down to officer discretion. Granted, we'd have to rely on the officers' morals and judgement, but I really feel like this is the only way to keep our privacy and maintain order on the streets. Most people drive reasonably voluntarily, and most officers are not out to fuck over the average Joe.
Any time I've been pulled over for speeding in California, the officers have stated they estimated my speed at "such-and-such" and the radar indicated "so-and-so." I believe they do this as a layer of evidence in case the validity of the radar is challenged.
I would prefer if driving infractions were treated on a case-by-case basis. I feel that in this case, we would do without traffic cams and radar guns, and rather just have the officers give tickets to drivers that may actually be driving dangerously. Currently, I live in Oregon, where the speed "limit" is posted at 55 mph on most highways. I've been told that that speed is posted as more of a suggestion, and can verify that so far, going 69 mph has been perfectly acceptable to the state troopers I've passed. It makes a lot more sense this way as I can safely drive much faster than 55 mph in the high desert, though I can't say that a tractor-trailer in the snow is safe at that speed.
Officers already have discretion in this area when it comes to weather conditions, and I feel most of them are trained to make an okay judgement here. Do away with speed limits altogether and stop using police as revenue generators./div>
Heheh...Nowhere, OR...we do have Boring, so it wouldn't suprise me.
Funny though, the spectrum of Oregonian politics. I'm a redneck libertarian/progressive/fence-rider from Noth Cal living in Eastern Oregon. I'm surrounded by people who vote Republican because it's what they know is right (heheh). I'll vote either way because there's a fat chance I'll see a Libertarian in office soon. Rather, I'll vote for the least "establishment" candidate. What a conundrum Obama vs McCain was. Anyhow, I'm happy to see another rural Orgonian that can see a politician for their record, rather than their party.
Wyden has some pro-gun-control stuff that doesn't click w/ me, but in general, he seems to stick up for his constituents rather than our Reptilian Corperate Overlords./div>
I've been an Oregonian for about 2.5 years, and I've been repeatedly impressed with Wyden. As anon said above, it's nice to see someone in Washington that you share a lot of values with.
I'm sure Wyden's got a few issues that I disagree with him on (He's 61, I'm almost 31), but he seems to make me proud as one of my State's representatives over and over again.
Wyden is a true progressive. It's hard to find that in Washington, where, regardless of what the NeoCons tell you, most lean somewhat conservative./div>
good comparison, but i have a feeling there was a TOS agreement somewhere that gives imeem ful control over the little portion of one's website they're embedded in. it's probably more like you signed a contract with the politician giving him control over a little patch of your lawn. in that case, he could put a little billboard there. of course, no one would sign that contract. in the world of virtual property and conceptual contracts, it's all to easy to just click "yes" routinely without reading into the agreement./div>
ahhh, how i long for the good old days. i love my cds, and in the future, i will be buying vinyl too, goin' waaaay back. once it's in my hands, they're not getting it back.
i worry that the gen-z-ers will just come to expect this behavior from their media overlords, just as my generation had to come to terms with seeing nothing but "the real world" on mtv. the real young ones won't even know what hit 'em, because they won't know any better.
even if it's free, once it's mine, you can't have it (or even buy it) back. people have given me cds too, but the record companies can't delete them just because i didn't purchase license any more.
the cloud has it's benefits, everyone is beginning to see this, but i think it's still a good idea to have a backup plan (physical media). convenience-vs-conviction, it's slighly analogous the the "freedom-vs-security" comprimise.
the only solution is to host your own content, but that's not so easy. i guess "you get what you pay for" holds true here./div>
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Re: Re: Re: This is halfway as it should be
Oregon doesn't have the crime issue that California supposedly does (I'm from rural North California, so I didn't really see that, it's a different California than the one the rest of the country hears about), so I understand the more lax (HAHA!) views on the matter. But, being somewhat of a libertarian, this matter could be resolved without any actual legislation. The courts have proven willing to hold manufacturers potentially liable for their products. If gun sellers had a similar responsibility to the public, as they should, they would jump through the hoops willingly to make sure thier customers were legit.
Wow...off topic./div>
Re: Re: This is halfway as it should be
Officer Discretion
Any time I've been pulled over for speeding in California, the officers have stated they estimated my speed at "such-and-such" and the radar indicated "so-and-so." I believe they do this as a layer of evidence in case the validity of the radar is challenged.
I would prefer if driving infractions were treated on a case-by-case basis. I feel that in this case, we would do without traffic cams and radar guns, and rather just have the officers give tickets to drivers that may actually be driving dangerously. Currently, I live in Oregon, where the speed "limit" is posted at 55 mph on most highways. I've been told that that speed is posted as more of a suggestion, and can verify that so far, going 69 mph has been perfectly acceptable to the state troopers I've passed. It makes a lot more sense this way as I can safely drive much faster than 55 mph in the high desert, though I can't say that a tractor-trailer in the snow is safe at that speed.
Officers already have discretion in this area when it comes to weather conditions, and I feel most of them are trained to make an okay judgement here. Do away with speed limits altogether and stop using police as revenue generators./div>
Re: Good Job Senator Wyden
Funny though, the spectrum of Oregonian politics. I'm a redneck libertarian/progressive/fence-rider from Noth Cal living in Eastern Oregon. I'm surrounded by people who vote Republican because it's what they know is right (heheh). I'll vote either way because there's a fat chance I'll see a Libertarian in office soon. Rather, I'll vote for the least "establishment" candidate. What a conundrum Obama vs McCain was. Anyhow, I'm happy to see another rural Orgonian that can see a politician for their record, rather than their party.
Wyden has some pro-gun-control stuff that doesn't click w/ me, but in general, he seems to stick up for his constituents rather than our Reptilian Corperate Overlords./div>
Wyden rocks!
I'm sure Wyden's got a few issues that I disagree with him on (He's 61, I'm almost 31), but he seems to make me proud as one of my State's representatives over and over again.
Wyden is a true progressive. It's hard to find that in Washington, where, regardless of what the NeoCons tell you, most lean somewhat conservative./div>
Re: I smell a class action lawsuit
rented music
i worry that the gen-z-ers will just come to expect this behavior from their media overlords, just as my generation had to come to terms with seeing nothing but "the real world" on mtv. the real young ones won't even know what hit 'em, because they won't know any better.
even if it's free, once it's mine, you can't have it (or even buy it) back. people have given me cds too, but the record companies can't delete them just because i didn't purchase license any more.
the cloud has it's benefits, everyone is beginning to see this, but i think it's still a good idea to have a backup plan (physical media). convenience-vs-conviction, it's slighly analogous the the "freedom-vs-security" comprimise.
the only solution is to host your own content, but that's not so easy. i guess "you get what you pay for" holds true here./div>
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