You bet the site should be blamed in the worst cases, its enabled, supported, facilitated and encouraged Harm to people, to their lives. Anyone who cares about their fellow human beings and their safety, their rights, would want them protected. The AGs and Tech itself need to stand up for essential human rights, there has been this moral blip and the results have been disastrous. Tech(dirt etc.) has a responsibility to clean up this mess, to show its Heart.
This article is so bogus, Chris Tolles has been responsible for the severe destruction of so many lives and businesses, I am so fed up with Tech covering up for his atrocities.
"Most importantly, malware found a business model in the late 1990s. The fragility of the monoculture could be exploited for profit. Spamming � junk emailing � could now be done on a truly gigantic scale. Hitherto, it had required identifiable servers with broadband access to the net. But the new broadband environment offered a better infrastructure. All you had to do was find machines with fast connections, unpatched security vulnerabilities and non-savvy owners and infect them with a Trojan that would turn them into relay stations for spam (and which could be turned off just as easily, to avoid detection)."
Mike: "Let me get this straight, you want them all locked up just because they're making idle death threats? Meanwhile, the FBI can actually look at everything they're posting build a case and later indict and prosecute because it's out in the open."
Ha ha ha. The FBI has such poor surveillance of the internet its not funny.
Your point is ridiculous because its like saying: Let death threats be posted which threaten the life of the President and other Americans. The FBI will take care of them. Not.
Meanwhile, those threats of violence stand.
"Not to mention that in a free society, so long as none of them post "I'm getting a gun and shooting the president", it's still protected speech."
They do post that and close to it, all the time. To say that this is freedom just proves how dense you are, either that or that you support American Terrorism.
Freedom for what? Violence? yeah, the rats like that a whole lot also.
Karl: "I don't care if the people who are on this page are xenophobic, racist assholes. They have a right to speak their (tiny) mind as much as anyone else, including me."
They do not have the right to threaten the life of the President of the United States and his wife. There are dozens of death threats to the President on the thread.
Where is the Secret Service or the FBI? MIA.
And if you really, really, really supported free speech totally, you would get on the page and troll-bust to counter the violence and racism, instead of letting it flourish.
Then and only then, can it be said that free speech balances out morally.
"Persephone, why in the hell are you talking about death threats? What does that have to do with anything in regards to free speech needing to be culled?"
Allow me to adjust your hearing aid jay: Death Threats, a threat to human life. Mortal violence.
Wrong and criminal.
"Ok, you can see the speech and decipher it's not worth your time checking out. At least it's out in the open rather than some BS where it's hidden in the corner and given a cult following."
A FB group dedicated to deleting racist profiles, had its page hacked, the profile of its moderator hacked. Bots were made with stolen userpics of members which began posting as them.
A troll-buster on Sarah Palin's FB page had his computer hacked and FB deleted his profile, he lost all of his content. The Palinites then arrived at his home, asking for him.
Perhaps Mike has the same conception of death threats on the internet as the Topix moderators do. Anything can be white-washed, even death threats.
Topix Moderator: "these "death threats" that you have brought to our attention were people saying that you would be better off if you killed yourself. Now it wasn't a nice thing to say by any means but unless you are actually afraid of yourself then it can't really be considered a death threat."
It is LOADED with violent threats to kill liberals and even posts training videos of how to shoot. The President is getting many death threats here, as are all liberals:
Mike Masnick: "The internet isn't some wild west that needs taming. It's a new and different system that is sometimes used for bad purposes, but much more frequently used for very, very good purposes."
Yes it does need taming and your naive assumption that it is regulating itself is contrary to the proof that it is not staring you right in the face.
A very good question is why you are blind to this.
"If you cannot work out the difference between 'right and wrong' or 'good and bad' or 'legal and illegal' then you lose the right to act on your own behalf, you therefore are 'out of control' and that is why there are laws, for morons who cannot themselves conduct their lives in an honest and ethical, and socially acceptable manner."
Exactly.
Those who blindly tout the unregulated internet have a very naive idea that it can regulate itself.
The proof that is it NOT doing this, is staring them right in the face, yet they refuse to recognize it.
It has also spread so much bad in the world. Hate speech is out of control and violence of the tongue is VERY real. Real violence is happening thanks to this unregulated Wild Wild West, people are being harmed.
The lawlessness of it and near-to-impossibility of applying the laws that do exist has enabled organized crime - not called that of course since there aren't laws in place - to exist like never before.
"I really hope that NO regulations"
That is suicide. That ignores the fact that Corporate America can and is taking advantage of this. That is another Wall Street in the making and has equal potential to harm our Country.
People's lives matter
B.S.
Re:
My feelings exactly.
Re: Re: Bizarre
Re: Re: Bizarre
Bizarre
Have you seen this Guardian article?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/may/01/malware-cyberplague-internet-meltdown
"Most importantly, malware found a business model in the late 1990s. The fragility of the monoculture could be exploited for profit. Spamming � junk emailing � could now be done on a truly gigantic scale. Hitherto, it had required identifiable servers with broadband access to the net. But the new broadband environment offered a better infrastructure. All you had to do was find machines with fast connections, unpatched security vulnerabilities and non-savvy owners and infect them with a Trojan that would turn them into relay stations for spam (and which could be turned off just as easily, to avoid detection)."
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: here is also your Wild Wild West Mike
Nope. You've got it backwards Jay. The fanatics and the ones empowered in this Wild Wild West.
I do a pretty good job of ignoring inane BS that doesn't affect my well being.
Oh goody, goody, goody for you.
the chances of ANY people on that site being able to accomplish that feat are slim to none.
Nope. The more assassination threats are put out, including training videos, the higher the chance it will happen.
They get arrested. There's plenty of them.
Nope, hardly any.
Expression. They can say whatever the hell they want.
Nope, they cannot. People cannot be endangered. Even the Wild Wild West had sheriffs, the world you are supporting lacks even that.
And THAT is why we cannot ignore it.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: here is also your Wild Wild West Mike
Re: Re: Re: Re: here is also your Wild Wild West Mike
Ha ha ha. The FBI has such poor surveillance of the internet its not funny.
Your point is ridiculous because its like saying: Let death threats be posted which threaten the life of the President and other Americans. The FBI will take care of them. Not.
Meanwhile, those threats of violence stand.
"Not to mention that in a free society, so long as none of them post "I'm getting a gun and shooting the president", it's still protected speech."
They do post that and close to it, all the time. To say that this is freedom just proves how dense you are, either that or that you support American Terrorism.
Freedom for what? Violence? yeah, the rats like that a whole lot also.
It is you who needs to grow up Jay.
Re: Comments
Re: Re: here is your Wild Wild West Mike
They do not have the right to threaten the life of the President of the United States and his wife. There are dozens of death threats to the President on the thread.
Where is the Secret Service or the FBI? MIA.
And if you really, really, really supported free speech totally, you would get on the page and troll-bust to counter the violence and racism, instead of letting it flourish.
Then and only then, can it be said that free speech balances out morally.
Re: Re: here is also your Wild Wild West Mike
Sure, you can turn off the computer, but that doesn't mean that the content on it is not something that is wrong.
Let me give you an analogy here.
Thats like saying let them distribute weapons freely, so long as I don't know about it, its ok because I don't have to think about it.
Re: Re: here is also your Wild Wild West Mike
Allow me to adjust your hearing aid jay: Death Threats, a threat to human life. Mortal violence.
Wrong and criminal.
"Ok, you can see the speech and decipher it's not worth your time checking out. At least it's out in the open rather than some BS where it's hidden in the corner and given a cult following."
^ Yikes!
Re: Re: here is your Wild Wild West Mike
A troll-buster on Sarah Palin's FB page had his computer hacked and FB deleted his profile, he lost all of his content. The Palinites then arrived at his home, asking for him.
here is also your Wild Wild West Mike
Topix Moderator: "these "death threats" that you have brought to our attention were people saying that you would be better off if you killed yourself. Now it wasn't a nice thing to say by any means but unless you are actually afraid of yourself then it can't really be considered a death threat."
Mike supports Topix here on TechDirt.
here is your Wild Wild West Mike
It is LOADED with violent threats to kill liberals and even posts training videos of how to shoot. The President is getting many death threats here, as are all liberals:
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=222921641069130&id=1773145219#!/p ages/DEAR-LORD-THIS-YEAR-YOU-TOOK-MY-FAVORITE-ACTOR-PATRICK-SWAYZIE-YOU-TOOK-MY-FAVORITE-ACTRESS-FAR AH-FAWCETT-YOU-TOOK-MY-FAVORITE-SINGER-MICHAEL-JACKSON-I-JUST-WANTED-TO-LET-YOU-KNOW-MY-FAVORITE-PRE SIDENT-IS-BARACK-OBAMA-AMEN/111712585523370
Does FB delete this group? Nope. Do they ban the violent trolls? Nope.
Oh yeah, the internet can regulate itself. Not.
Mike is lost in La La Land
Yes it does need taming and your naive assumption that it is regulating itself is contrary to the proof that it is not staring you right in the face.
A very good question is why you are blind to this.
Re: Classic - We dont want rules because we will break them !
Exactly.
Those who blindly tout the unregulated internet have a very naive idea that it can regulate itself.
The proof that is it NOT doing this, is staring them right in the face, yet they refuse to recognize it.
A very good question is WHY?
Re: We cant let this happen
"The internet regulates it self very well"
No it does not.
"has spread so much good to the world"
It has also spread so much bad in the world. Hate speech is out of control and violence of the tongue is VERY real. Real violence is happening thanks to this unregulated Wild Wild West, people are being harmed.
The lawlessness of it and near-to-impossibility of applying the laws that do exist has enabled organized crime - not called that of course since there aren't laws in place - to exist like never before.
"I really hope that NO regulations"
That is suicide. That ignores the fact that Corporate America can and is taking advantage of this. That is another Wall Street in the making and has equal potential to harm our Country.
(untitled comment)
"Morality and the rule of law do apply to the actions people do there."
No they do not.
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