Interesting question. Looking solely at the data, it is just factual spatial information that is collected at certain intervals. Taken as a whole, or as a collection, is the data alone recognizable as creative output or does the data have to be transformed in order to identify the creation? Unless the data was presented in a novel way, e.g., as ASCII art, it would not appear to be very pretty or creative. I think it is unlikely that the data alone, i.e. a series of numbers would be recognized as being creative until it is transformation into a map/picture or even sound. That transformation would include additional creative choices, such as the colors used, size, etc. The data is part of the creation, but the data alone it is not a creation it is a small piece of the creative process.
If I or my machine which I purchased collects data, the data should be under my control. Disregarding automated vehicles, what data is a car manufacturer entitled to from my vehicle? I would like control of that data, including what data is being collected and sold from MY vehicle when I bring it in for repair or maintenance. I don't want to read through 50 pages of legalize to try to figure it out either.
As to autonomous vehicles, if the car manufacturer has to collect data from an autonomous car it is no longer an autonomous vehicle.
Data should not be copyrighted it should only be protected as a trade secret.
"Again, it's not a bad idea to put sensible limits on data, but setting an arbitrary limit that you assume will allow companies to fix problems is asking for trouble."
So they better keep it all? Any limit is arbitrary past what is needed for the immediate operation for the vehicle. A hit and run case could be years old before a connection to a vehicle is made.
This is the surveillance state's justification for keep it all, because if we just had X more surveillance we might have been able to save little Johnny, or catch that terrorist.
How is a player taking a knee "disrupting MILLIONS of people who came / watch for simple diversion"? You should not even notice the players, you should be solemnly standing, looking at the flag and singing the anthem. The players are not setting things on fire, shooting off fireworks or throwing beer bottles at people. The only problem with the players' protest are all of the snowflakes that have no understanding of the principles this country was founded on.
So when you are at home and the national anthem plays do you remove your hat and solemnly stand, with your hand over your heart to sing the anthem?
Google should send them all a copy of Robots.txt for Dummies with a coupon for a free seminar entitled: "How to keep Google from Driving People to Your News Site" (subtitled) "How to make More Money with Fewer Clicks? Well . . . Uhmmm . . . Please Let Us Know if you Figure that One Out"
For example, one patient recently undergoing a heart transfer had the procedure interrupted for five full minutes after a PC connected to an essential piece of monitoring equipment began a scheduled anti-virus scan:
Who the hell thinks it is OK to use a PC to run an essential piece of medical equipment during a heart transplant? I assume said PC was running windows, poorly secured and connected to the hospital network which also was connected to every other PC in the building . . . what could go wrong!
I think you mean Former Facebook Workers, so they may be disgruntled former workers. I know it's an easy reach.
In the case of FB, guess what, a lot of folks (for better or worse) get their news from FB. And what better way to guide conversations than by simply not letting certain articles see the light of day on FB.
You can easily replace "FB" with "Fox News" in your sentence above, especially for older Americans, but I don't recall Congress being too concerned with the claims of conservative bias that have been made against Fox News.
The difference is everyone knows that Fox news, CBS, NBC, CNN are biased.
I beg to differ, I know a number of people that assure me that only CBS, NBC, CNN and MSN are biased. Fox is "Fair and Balanced"! I am not being snarky :(
If you want to make the argument that they can do whatever they want and have no public responsibility to be neutral or unbiased, then make that argument, but if you do it without acknowledging the massive negative effect this will have on freedom of speech in the increasingly privatised public square, then you are leading sheep blindly to the slaughter.
Facebook has no public responsibility to be neutral and/or unbiased. While is a nice ideal to think that corporation should have some concern for the public, the fact is they do not, unless specific laws have been enacted requiring such public responsibilities. Public corporations are mainly responsible to their shareholders. With very few exceptions corporate actions that benefit the general public are profit driven.
Facebook enables massive public speech, curating their news feed in no way prevents the news from being reported. You should be much more concerned about the domination of the fourth estate by a small number of corporations. This domination effectively allows a relatively small number of corporations undue influence on what is and what is not reported. Which of the following news outlet would be considered unbiased?
MSNBC; The New York Times; Fox News Huffington Post Drudge Report CNN . . .
Every day editors choose which news stories to air/print/publish and invest in. None are unbiased although some are surely more biased.
If Congress is concern about unbiased news perhaps, they should consider legislation to reinstate some form of the FCC’s Fairness Doctrine that the republicans pushed to have repealed. Although I have no idea how this could be implemented without conflicting with the First Amendment. Access to the internet is probably the best hope to limit the impact of the government and corporations on the free flow of information.
"Good point! That would explain why Tesla's cars are getting remote-hacked left and right... oh wait, no, they aren't."
So, since no one has found a way in yet, that means it will never happen. OK, I guess you are right history has shown that time and time again, right... right... oh wait, no history has not shown that. Ever. If there is a door someone will find a way to open it.
LOL You are a very optimistic chap or maybe you have stock in Tesla . . . .
If car manufacture’s need the ability to "nuke it from orbit” to address an attack on their systems, it is incumbent on them to design their system(s) with this ability in mind. They also need to separate critical systems from non-critical systems within the vehicle.
Neither open-source software nor draconian-grade deterrence will solve the problem. Linux is open-source software, but it is not now or will it ever be completely secure. Draconian-grade deterrence has yet to end murder. In addition, draconian-grade deterrence rarely deter people with adequate resources, people that believe they are smarter than everyone else or governments.
The only reasonable options are to require auto manufacturers to implement reasonable security system for critical auto systems; ensure that failure to do so results in punishment that are harsh enough to force compliance; and subject people that cause harm punishment that fits the crime. We have plenty of laws that deal with punishment for harm caused by a person’s actions. Doing it on a computer does not make one a super villain that should be imprisoned for life.
"Congratulations, you just shut down Tesla's incredibly effective and efficient system of fixing car software bugs by deploying remote updates!"
Efficiency and security often do not go together. It is inefficient for me to have to enter my password 27 time a day to use my computer . . . should we get rid of passwords?
This efficient system increases the potential for a security breach to impact large numbers of vehicles by orders of magnitude.
The problem appears in part to be COX's policy was to accept the DMCA notification as a strike against a customer and followed through with eventual termination. BUT the following termination COX would immediately reconnect the "infringer". Cox was being lazy by accepting an accusation as proof of infringement in their policy.
"To be eligible for any of the limitations, a service provider must meet two overall conditions:
(1) it must adopt and reasonably implement a policy of terminating in appropriate circumstances the accounts of subscribers who are repeat infringers"
This is where ISPs should take a stand in their policies, and clearly state that an infringer is someone that has been convicted in an appropriate court of copyright infringment, i.e., an accusation of infringment is not proof of infringment.
FRCP 65, 17 USC 502, 15 USC 1116, 15 USC 1125, and 28 USC 1651 does not require third parties that were not violating copyright or trademark to forever police other potential violators of copyright or trademark. An injuntion for a specific case is one thing, it is another SOPA like thing to allow the RIAA to be the arbitrator of copyright/trademark violations and allow them to force CloudFlare to be its police force.
It is one thing for a judge to permanently enjoin a specific person/organization from violating copyright or trademark following an adjudicated case. However, a permanent injunction, against a third party, requiring them to ad infinitum shutdown other third party entities, that were also not a party in initial case, at the request of the plaintiff without further judicial review is ridiculous. The future accused entities are not allowed any due process. The judge is in effect writing a new case specific law by requiring CloudFlare ad infinitum to terminate services supplied to other parties not associated with the initial case.
This would be the same as requiring a landlord to within 48 hours evict any tenant that is accused of violating copyright by the RIAA, because the RIAA won a case against a single different tenant 20 years ago.
"An intercepted conversation involving Raphael, collected during routine surveillance of Pakistani officials, seemed to suggest the State Department advisor was passing on state secrets."
Hmmm. What do some of those, umm . . . patriots say about snooping, "If you don't have anything to hide you don't have to worry about the government spying on you." Well this is a perfect example of how wrong they are.
"And there have been court cases - not just with schools but with employers as well - whereby the school/employer was held liable for the off-property conduct of the student/employee."
Citation please, for a case where a student, not acting as an agent/representative of a school, resulted in the school having any liability for the student's off campus activity. That sounds like a very interesting case.
"Sadly, many Chinese appear to be embracing the score as a measure of social worth, with almost 100,000 people bragging about their scores on the Chinese equivalent of Twitter."
Not surprising at all . . . 100,000 people just raised their scores by twitting their support of the system. WTG
Re: Re: who cares really
Re:
Re: Lots of social value in the data
As to autonomous vehicles, if the car manufacturer has to collect data from an autonomous car it is no longer an autonomous vehicle.
Data should not be copyrighted it should only be protected as a trade secret.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
So they better keep it all? Any limit is arbitrary past what is needed for the immediate operation for the vehicle. A hit and run case could be years old before a connection to a vehicle is made.
This is the surveillance state's justification for keep it all, because if we just had X more surveillance we might have been able to save little Johnny, or catch that terrorist.
Re: Techdirt valiantly supports the right of millionaire entertainers to annoy fans.
How is a player taking a knee "disrupting MILLIONS of people who came / watch for simple diversion"? You should not even notice the players, you should be solemnly standing, looking at the flag and singing the anthem. The players are not setting things on fire, shooting off fireworks or throwing beer bottles at people. The only problem with the players' protest are all of the snowflakes that have no understanding of the principles this country was founded on.
So when you are at home and the national anthem plays do you remove your hat and solemnly stand, with your hand over your heart to sing the anthem?
Dummies
"How to keep Google from Driving People to Your News Site" (subtitled) "How to make More Money with Fewer Clicks? Well . . . Uhmmm . . . Please Let Us Know if you Figure that One Out"
A PC?
Who the hell thinks it is OK to use a PC to run an essential piece of medical equipment during a heart transplant? I assume said PC was running windows, poorly secured and connected to the hospital network which also was connected to every other PC in the building . . . what could go wrong!
Re: Re: Conservatives complaining again
I think you mean Former Facebook Workers, so they may be disgruntled former workers. I know it's an easy reach.
In the case of FB, guess what, a lot of folks (for better or worse) get their news from FB. And what better way to guide conversations than by simply not letting certain articles see the light of day on FB.
You can easily replace "FB" with "Fox News" in your sentence above, especially for older Americans, but I don't recall Congress being too concerned with the claims of conservative bias that have been made against Fox News.
Re: Re: Conservatives complaining again
I beg to differ, I know a number of people that assure me that only CBS, NBC, CNN and MSN are biased. Fox is "Fair and Balanced"! I am not being snarky :(
Re:
Facebook has no public responsibility to be neutral and/or unbiased. While is a nice ideal to think that corporation should have some concern for the public, the fact is they do not, unless specific laws have been enacted requiring such public responsibilities. Public corporations are mainly responsible to their shareholders. With very few exceptions corporate actions that benefit the general public are profit driven.
Facebook enables massive public speech, curating their news feed in no way prevents the news from being reported. You should be much more concerned about the domination of the fourth estate by a small number of corporations. This domination effectively allows a relatively small number of corporations undue influence on what is and what is not reported. Which of the following news outlet would be considered unbiased?
MSNBC;
The New York Times;
Fox News
Huffington Post
Drudge Report
CNN . . .
Every day editors choose which news stories to air/print/publish and invest in. None are unbiased although some are surely more biased.
If Congress is concern about unbiased news perhaps, they should consider legislation to reinstate some form of the FCC’s Fairness Doctrine that the republicans pushed to have repealed. Although I have no idea how this could be implemented without conflicting with the First Amendment. Access to the internet is probably the best hope to limit the impact of the government and corporations on the free flow of information.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ok then
So, since no one has found a way in yet, that means it will never happen. OK, I guess you are right history has shown that time and time again, right... right... oh wait, no history has not shown that. Ever. If there is a door someone will find a way to open it.
LOL You are a very optimistic chap or maybe you have stock in Tesla . . . .
Re:
Neither open-source software nor draconian-grade deterrence will solve the problem. Linux is open-source software, but it is not now or will it ever be completely secure. Draconian-grade deterrence has yet to end murder. In addition, draconian-grade deterrence rarely deter people with adequate resources, people that believe they are smarter than everyone else or governments.
The only reasonable options are to require auto manufacturers to implement reasonable security system for critical auto systems; ensure that failure to do so results in punishment that are harsh enough to force compliance; and subject people that cause harm punishment that fits the crime. We have plenty of laws that deal with punishment for harm caused by a person’s actions. Doing it on a computer does not make one a super villain that should be imprisoned for life.
Re: Re: Re:
Efficiency and security often do not go together. It is inefficient for me to have to enter my password 27 time a day to use my computer . . . should we get rid of passwords?
This efficient system increases the potential for a security breach to impact large numbers of vehicles by orders of magnitude.
Re: " really dangerous" indeed
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
(1) it must adopt and reasonably implement a policy of
terminating in appropriate circumstances the accounts of subscribers who are repeat infringers"
This is where ISPs should take a stand in their policies, and clearly state that an infringer is someone that has been convicted in an appropriate court of copyright infringment, i.e., an accusation of infringment is not proof of infringment.
Re:
Judge is writing new case specific law
This would be the same as requiring a landlord to within 48 hours evict any tenant that is accused of violating copyright by the RIAA, because the RIAA won a case against a single different tenant 20 years ago.
Nothing to hide
Hmmm. What do some of those, umm . . . patriots say about snooping, "If you don't have anything to hide you don't have to worry about the government spying on you." Well this is a perfect example of how wrong they are.
Re: Re:
Citation please, for a case where a student, not acting as an agent/representative of a school, resulted in the school having any liability for the student's off campus activity. That sounds like a very interesting case.
(untitled comment)
Not surprising at all . . . 100,000 people just raised their scores by twitting their support of the system. WTG
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