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  Ed Postmodern, 21 Sep 2000 @ 1:15pm

  
  

  Two Thoughts...

  First, the parents got off easy. His father knew that the 14-year-old had a brokerage account, and let him make unsupervised trades?!? And didn't notice that he had $300K in the account?!?! It seems like there should be more of a penalty for them.

  Second, since this episode points out the complete stupidity and gullibility of people who buy stocks based on completely unsubstantiated posts they read on www message boards, I wonder whether it would be legal and/or ethical to capitalize on this -- if, through some data mining you thought you discovered a pattern of somebody perpetrating a pump-and-dump scheme, could you place orders to take advantage of it? It seems wrong, but why? In theory, you're acting on the same information that's available to anyone else. Just to be clear: you're not the one putting out the misinformation; you're detecting it (you think).

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    Mike (profile), 21 Sep 2000 @ 1:22pm

    
    

    Re: Two Thoughts...

    That's a really interesting idea... I would say that it's definitely legal. You haven't done anything wrong. However, it may make the SEC very suspicious and you may get a visit as they'll assume you must have had something to do with the pump-and-dump scheme. While technically the burden may be on them to prove you're connected, in reality, some assumption might be made that could get you in trouble. My second thought is that while this one kid was successful, I don't know how successful those schemes are on average. I'd think the effectiveness of them go down over time (and may already be much lower than they were a year ago).
    
    You'd probably be better off using the same scheme to blackmail the fraudster. :)

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      Ed Postmodern, 21 Sep 2000 @ 1:54pm

      
      

      Re: Two Thoughts...

      But blackmail is illegal.

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        Ed Postmodern, 21 Sep 2000 @ 1:59pm

        
        

        Re: Two Thoughts...

        Oops -- didn't mean to submit so fast.

        The trouble with my scheme is that it would be too hard to take advantage of it. Assuming that the fraud is detectable (which is not a trivial assumption), the simple way would be to sell short when a stock jumps as a result of a pump-and-dump, but it's virtually impossible to short a thinly-traded penny stock. Alternatively, one could buy up some shares as soon as a scammer's post is detected (hopefully before the run-up starts), but that's risky.

        The best way to profit from this would be to sell subscriptions to a scam alert newsletter, I guess.

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        Mike (profile), 21 Sep 2000 @ 3:51pm

        
        

        Re: Two Thoughts...

        Yes, well, the blackmail comment was a joke, but you knew that. Anyway, what perpetrator of stock fraud do you know who would report you were blackmailing him?
        
        "Hi, FBI? I've created this great stock fraud where I'd be raking in the bucks, but this asshole is blackmailing me. Can you get him for me. Thanks. Most appreciated."

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  unknown, 14 Jun 2009 @ 6:43pm

  
  

  14 year old

  hi im --------,
  
  my son now 14 years old when he was only 12 he opened up his first cridet card i recived a ------ one card with 3000.00 dollars on it and the 2nd one was from chas- and it had 1000.00 then d-ll computers gave him another 10,000.00 what should i do email me at sprintfan14701@gmail.com

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