School District Not Backing Down On Felony Charges Against Harmless Hackers
from the over-reacting dept
Back in June, we wrote about a group of thirteen students in Pennsylvania who were charged with felonies for doing a little harmless hacking at their school. They had figured out the administrator password (not hard to do, and apparently taped to an administrator's laptop) and used it to give themselves full access to the internet, rather than filtered. They also downloaded iChat, so they could chat to each other. The very "worst" claim, was that one student used the open access to view some porn. Once the school discovered this, rather than doing a better job securing their system, they told the students to stop. A few kept it up... and so the school called the police and had them charged with the felony "computer trespassing." After the case got more widespread attention, many called on the school to change it's stance, but school is standing by the felony charges and the case is about to go to court. Still, it's pretty clear that none of the students did anything harmful. It was a minor offense, if anything, and it barely deserves a slap on the wrist. It seems like yet another case where people who don't actually understand technology assume that any "unapproved" use of technology must be illegal and bad.
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School District Not Backing Down On Felony Charges
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They Should Be Executed
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ahhahah
-Emo
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No Subject Given
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No Subject Given
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My $0.02
However, anything that happened after the school found out should be a slap on the school, no the students. If they didn't fix the problem, then it is their own fault.
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No Subject Given
The security seems to be that the students werent told THAT was the password, but somehow, they managed to figure it out! unbelieveable
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Re: dumbass admins
These kids didn't change anything on the school servers just the defaults on the laptops they were issued by the school. If some overzealous DA wants to prosecute this, let the judge slap him and be done with it. Then make the school district pay for court costs.
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It's up to them, it's their job.
as I said before, "Teachers who are up-to-date on what current research and literature says, would have used reasonable consequences or logical consequences instead -- as long as nothing was stolen or vandalized (which are crimes)."
Reading this story again (today) made me more open to what they've decided to actually do (pressing charges), even with TechDirt's further objection.
Schools should use reasonable or logical consequences if they think it will help. But, (as a possible analog to this story) if the students broke-and-entered the school building itself (even if it was due to bad "physical security" practices), the school would have to consider prosecution, since what they did was illegal.
In cases of theft, vandalism, or assault -- then the school MUST prosecute. Being at school is not a protection from the law, just as Student's rights don't stop upon entering school property.
In fact in the "hacking" case, if the students get a competent judge, the students might end up being treated more fairly than if they were just subject to the whim of an administrator. At least the judge will have to give them a fair trial and establish guilt -- school administrators don't have to prove you're guilty and have large leeway in deciding punishment.
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Re: They Should Be Executed
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Re: They Should Be Executed
What on Earth has gotten into you? Perhaps they should put YOU in the registry and a device on YOUR ankle. After a year or two of that then lets see if you still feel the same way in your reasoning.
Your post is obvious flamebait. Write a constructive suggestion next time.
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It may be a bit harsh...
Just because the password was easily discovered, does not mean it was OK for them to use it. There was a signed Code of Conduct and Acceptable Use Policy in place, and they deliberately broke that contract. They're high school students, for Christ's sake. They're old enough to know right from wrong and old enough to deal with the consequences of doing wrong.
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Re: It may be a bit harsh...
Perhaps, sir, you do not comprehend the implications of a felony conviction? A bit harsh? Who do you proclaim yourself to be, oh caster of the wretched damning stone?
Doing wrong in a highschool environment always meant detention, or suspension, or *gasp* even expulsion. The law was broken to the very slim ends of being justifiable curiosity.
Please try not to be so shortsighted. I cannot articulate the disgust I feel for your mentality.
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To me, its Inconcievable that this had gotten this
All I know is that they subvertered the security, than they were caught. The first time this happened, they should of had thier laptops confiscated. The school should of handled this is a responsible manner and not have let it escalate to where it is now.
They are supposed to be acting in the students best intrests.
Granted, what the children did was wrong, and now they will have to pay the piper. Its just so sad the school let it get this far out of hand.
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Admin writing down password...
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Re: They Should Be Executed
> wrong, the admin should be fired for such an obvious security slip up.
um, you can't say "wrong" to what I wrote -- I see many acceptable outcomes to the issue INCLUDING your point of view.
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Re: They Should Be Executed
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Re: My $0.02
Taping the admin password to a laptop
Having an poorly trained IT staff
my 2 cents
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Re: It may be a bit harsh...
They are minors. They can petition the court upon their 18th birthday and have the records expunged. Who am I? I'm someone who believes people should take responsibility for their actions. I don't recall seeing their ages listed, but they are high school students - at the very least, 14 years old. This is plenty old enough to know what you are doing is wrong, and take responsibility for yourself. Any 14 year old knows that if you get caught doing someting wrong and are given the chance to stop with only minor disciplinary action, you should stop. These kids went right on doing what they were doing.
Doing wrong in a highschool environment always meant detention, or suspension, or *gasp* even expulsion. The law was broken to the very slim ends of being justifiable curiosity.
If you look here, you will find they were repeatedly warned and disciplined, but continued with their actions. Justifiable curiosity? That would stand, had they used the account only once or twice after discovering the password and done no harm to the computer. What they did was to use the administrative account to modify the security of the system. Some of them then used the computer to surf to pornographic sites, knowing very well that was against school policy. They turned off the monitoring function, and used that function to spy on teachers. They were caught, disciplined and told to stop. Some of them used a password cracking program to crack the new password, and continued on where they left off. No, this is not "justifiable curiosity". This is blatant disregard for the rules set in place for everyone to follow. The fact that some parents felt the prior disciplinary actions (detentions, ISS, lose of internet access and computer privileges) were ridiculous sickens me. If parents don't think breaking the law should result in disciplinary actions, no wonder the kids today are so wild.
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Re: It may be a bit harsh...
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Re: It may be a bit harsh...
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Lying under oath.
How come the authorities have so much time dealing with your case? a minor youthful indiscretion.
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