SAIC To Actually Go Public?
from the didn't-see-that-coming dept
If you're at all familiar with the history of SAIC, the huge, but tremendously secretive, government contracting firm that is famous for being "employee owned," it seems quite surprising to hear that the company is actually going to go public, in an attempt to raise nearly $2 billion. For years, employees could buy and sell stock from the company, but the price of the stock was determined regularly not by the public markets, but by an auditor who would value the company. As employees left, most were required to sell back their shares. It was a system that worked, as the company grew -- but this year, the company's 80-year-old founder, J. Robert Beyster, finally stepped down. It appears that the new folks in charge have decided to make a big shift in strategies by going public. Perhaps they realized they wouldn't be able to pull off another Network Solutions deal, where they bought the company for a few million, kept control while the company had full monopoly control over internet domains, and then spun it off for a few billion just before life got more difficult for the firm. It will definitely be interesting to see how the firm adjusts to having outside shareholders. They used to claim that part of their competitive advantage was that they weren't distracted by the whims of outside shareholders. Update: Thanks to an SAIC employee who posted a comment below explaining some of the rationale... which was basically that SAIC was propping up the stock itself by buying all the available shares, since employees weren't buying enough. Apparently, that was becoming way too expensive.Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.
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The reason SAIC is going public
The quarterly stock trades are undersubscribed—that is, there is always more stock to be sold than there are buyers. In has been as much as a 10 to 1 ratio of sell to buy. In the last sale it was about 5 to 1. It has been about 10 years since the trade was balanced. In an open stock market, this imbalance would drive the price down until the buyers and sellers matched each other. However, the company sets the stock price and so this method of equilibrium is not possible. SAIC can, but is not obligated to, buy the extra stock at the current price to balanced the trade. So far, they have always done this. However, they have spent 2-3 billion dollars doing this.
They have tried programs to encourage buyers and discourage sellers, but this has not helped enough. They can’t keep spending the money to buy back the stock. If they lower the price of the stock, they would just panic people into buying less and selling more. And if they stopped balancing the trade, no one would buy anymore stock. So, there only alternative is to find more buyers and the way to do that is to go public.
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You obviously are a victim of the experiments you referenced in your posting. Please seek professional mental counseling - immediately!
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This is Reality, I know we haven't talked in a while, but it's time for the nice man in white to make the voices stop.
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The problem is, as is my understanding, is that many of the operations in clandestine Rogue Valley has nothing to do with subliminal activities. Allegedly only 3-5% of the 3.7 square miles of the area underground is dedicated to these despictable programs. Only 3000 of the 85,000 people employed down there involved in PsychOps. Cowards intentionally place these secret "billion dollar baby" operations in areas where the likelihood of intervention, as described above, is minimal.
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Suggest you turn off your computer because the subliminal RF emanating from it is frying your brain!
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Now that you've finally disclosed the truth, you shouldn't be afraid to disclose that the 16,000 people who work for SAIC in the Washington, DC metro area are engaged in incredibly sophisticated work intended to replace the program we like to call Social Security with an effort that will fund old age and disability by selling freeze dried tacos over the Internet. They're going to call it Hi-Tex-Mex.
Pardon me, I have to go now. My tinfoil hat is receiving a transmission from The Leader.
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Please let me know.
Thanks,
Amanda S
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In reality, the M-factor closely follows the pulse of the defense industry overall (modeled by the companies that SAIC tracks), and the pie grows or shrinks for all of them at approximately the same pace.
The M-factor has certainly been set rather conservatively in the past and I think the stock will react well to the public market.
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In reality, the M-factor closely follows the pulse of the defense industry overall (modeled by the companies that SAIC tracks), and the pie grows or shrinks for all of them at approximately the same pace.
The M-factor has certainly been set rather conservatively in the past and I think the stock will react well to the public market.
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New Blog and Bulletins on SAIC IPO
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SAIC accident waiting to happen
My prediction: the company's stock price will jump 20 to 30% at IPO, and then steadily decline over two years to a price that is 10 to 15 dollars below the current price. Ken Dahlberg will resign within one year of the IPO, declaring the IPO a success, even though employee shareholders sell as soon as allowed by the terms of the IPO; most employee shareholders will lose 10 to 20% on the IPO, while those executives holding B class shares will make 100 to 200%. Within two years of the IPO, SAIC will merge with BearingPoint.
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Do you make football progmostications, too? Where can I get onto your newsletter?
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Honest truth
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SAIC Share Price
I reviewed the ammendment to the S1 filed today and I was very disappointed in the initial share price.
http://www.saic.com/saic-ipo/S-1.pdf
It seems very low and the likely of making a good profit could very well be low. The dividend appears to be very good but the two for one split is someone poor for a $47 share price we currently have now.
Does anyone have any opinions on the latest news?
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Current price = approx. $48 per share
Est. IPO Price = $15 per share. x 2 for 1 Split =$30 for 2 Share new Stock
$30 for 2 new stock Plus $15 per share dividend = $45.
Fuzzy Math or something fishy? Where is the pat off of having the old stock?
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Re: SAIC Share Price by Anonymous Coward on Oct 3r
Thats what we thought.This "appears" to be a Ken D.and the board burn and run attempt. The people at the top seem to always take care of themselves even if they come off in a genuine manner.
Most employees receive very few options like "20-100 shares vested over 5 years" . So in a nutshell most SAIC stockholders slopped their own money into the stock plan.
It makes no sense for anyone who had the stock for less than 3 or 4 years. Even if if we do get a 20% gain somehow rest assured the taxes will burn that gain anyway.
Look at what the executives who have class B stock have in their treasure chest. It does not appear they will be getting soaked!
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Get your facts straight, please sir or madam.
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saic
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Focus
regards, god bless, and god speed
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if anyone could help me i forgot of SAIC's competitors classification like NEK there is one i am looking for they helped the banking fraud crisis and recently won over an SAIC contract...not the LMT one..., yet recently found out about a new technology classified company in the blog above called Bearing Point...are there any more in this Class or is the Next step up...the next class like GD...
again godspeed on the journey of life and in the timeless and serene moment of each day
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