I'd Gladly Pay You Tuesday For An E-Commerce Purchase Today

from the bill-me-later dept

Many people are still quite nervous about using their credit cards online -- perhaps for very good reasons. With stories about massive credit card data leaks showing up in the news quite frequently, it's no wonder people are nervous. Even if the chances of actually being a victim of credit card theft is pretty rare (even for those whose numbers have been exposed), it's certainly not a comforting feeling. Business Week is profiling a company that is pushing a "Bill Me Later" option as a reasonable alternative. While the article talks about how different this is, it really just sounds like "instant credit," rather than a basic credit card. The company claims it can grant this instant credit based on just your birth date and last four digits of your Social Security Number -- and then successfully sniff out fraud attempts. That could raise a lot of questions, though. After all, that's data that's not very hard to figure out for many people. The company, obviously, tries to screen stuff out if you're ordering something and shipping it to a different location than where you live, but it's not hard to see how scammers might quickly jump on this system and run up quite a bit of debt for unsuspecting people. Really, the only major differences with this system and traditional credit card systems is that (1) consumers don't have to know their card number (2) merchant policies are much more agreeable and (3) they claim to have better fraud detection. It's the fraud detection that's key. If credit card companies could catch up in fraud detection, while also making their merchant policies a bit friendlier, then it's hard to see how "Bill Me Later" has much of an advantage.
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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 30 Dec 2005 @ 11:45am

    Credit Cards Are A Joke For Merchants

    The good thing about cash is that it doesn't disappear out of your drawer a month after making a sale. Credit cards are a joke and the chargeback fees make sure that the only person at a loss is the merchant.

    Checking accounts and credit cards are the two biggest scams pulled by banks EVER.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 30 Dec 2005 @ 12:09pm

      Re: Credit Cards Are A Joke For Merchants

      Of course, checking account/debit cards/credit cards also allow people to spend freely much more easily. Many studies have shown that people are much less willing to part with cash than with money in their bank account. Using plastic as the intermediary makes the transaction much less painful, which makes people spend more. Lots more.

      Sure, the merchant has to pay some (small) fees. But he is *more* than recompensed by the increased sales generated by people spending without thinking due to their plastic.

      That's not even taking into account the fact that, now that credit cards and such are entrenched and very few people actually carry any cash, refusing to take cards would be tantamount to committing business suicide.

      This is, by the way, why I own no credit cards, and try to conduct as much of my business with cash as possible.

      link to this | view in chronology ]

    • identicon
      ChargeFront, 31 Dec 2005 @ 2:40pm

      Re: Credit Cards Are A Joke For Merchants

      The reality is... consumers and fraudsters are abusing the rights granted to protect them from the horrid abuse inflicted by the ruthless merchants and credit card companies of long ago. The tables have turned. Unscrupulous consumers and outright fraudsters now have the upper-hand and the merchants suffering. Plain and simple, consumers and fraudsters are using these hard-won credit card rights to steal from merchants with credit cards payments, combined with subsequent chargebacks and threats of chargeback. ChargeFront Helping Online Merchants in their War on Fraudulent Chargebacks and Refund Abuse�

      link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 30 Dec 2005 @ 1:38pm

    nope

    This is a bad idea.
    .
    What happens when someone finds out/phishes your information and starts using it fraudulently? You going to change your SS number or your birthdate?
    At best, you wont be able to use the Bill Me Later service ever again.
    .
    This is the same problem with fingerprint security -- you can't ever change the key. I wouldn't want to lose a finger just because someone wants to steal my car...

    link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    haggie, 30 Dec 2005 @ 1:42pm

    No Subject Given

    "small fees" unless you are a restaurateur with razor thin margins and that 2.5-4% you are paying to Visa et al is the difference between breaking even and going under...

    That crap about increasing your business is just that. Crap. Sounds like a Visa or processing company employee because that is the pitch I got every time the Visa rep came into my business. Every time I showed him the door. I probably lost 1-2 customers a week. Not even close to enough business to justify paying the merchant fees for the customers paying by credit card out of sheer laziness or force of habit.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

    • identicon
      Devin, 2 Jan 2006 @ 4:23am

      Re: No Subject Given

      There is a restaurant near me that does not accept credits cards and is still packed every single day. If the food is good enough there will never be an issue with people getting cash before they get there. Also they put in one of those Credit Card / Debit card machines that charges the customer the Fee so if someone really wants to use a credit card they can use that and it passes the fee onto them.

      link to this | view in chronology ]

      • identicon
        Anonymous Coward, 3 Jan 2006 @ 11:16am

        Re: No Subject Given

        I have definitely avoided restaurants that don't take credit cards. It's just a different kind of bad service, similar to not being able to get your water glass refilled or to get your order taken. And when people ask you about a place and you say "yeah, the food's pretty good but the service there sucks", it doesn't mean no one will ever go there, but surely a chunk of business is lost. Some restaurants can't seat all the people that want to eat there anyway, so surely for them it doesn't matter. But for the rest of the dining establishments that have empty tables sometimes, it'll probably make a difference.

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  • identicon
    small guy, 30 Dec 2005 @ 1:49pm

    hey

    I've got the patent for the one click Bill Me Later option!!!

    Just kidding....

    link to this | view in chronology ]

    • identicon
      Andrew Strasser, 30 Dec 2005 @ 2:49pm

      Re: hey

      Get Paypal then we'll talk.

      link to this | view in chronology ]

      • identicon
        sickboy76, 30 Dec 2005 @ 3:27pm

        Re: hey

        paypal is worse, if you get a complaint, they freeze all of your funds, and you can no longer take payments until you jump through thier hoops. and if you are a business owner, you have to prove a mountain of crap. not only for the transaction in question, but for transactions in the past, ones that were never even questioned by anyone, then they freeze your funds for like 6-9 months. paypal is by far the worse choice out there. better to just give your merchandise away.

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  • identicon
    kingmanor, 30 Dec 2005 @ 4:10pm

    bleh

    this can't be good. when department stores give u credit, its always in the form of a credit card. they may be ripping you off on fees and 20% interest, but at least its governed by credit card laws. this new thing seems worse than paypal in the fact that it won't be subject to any banking laws, so consumers have no protection whatsoever.

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    • identicon
      alternatives, 30 Dec 2005 @ 5:37pm

      Re: bleh

      hey may be ripping you off on fees and 20% interest, but at least its governed by credit card laws.

      And yet, I've seen an American Express Blue card bill with a 28.9% interest rate.

      link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Michael "TheZorch" Haney, 31 Dec 2005 @ 7:01am

    PayByCash

    There's a new up and coming service called PayByCash that a lot of MMORPGs like Everquest II, Anarchy Online, Meridian 59, Ultima Online, and anime retailer Otaku World are using.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    ChargeFront, 31 Dec 2005 @ 2:45pm

    Banks and credit card co's call it Soft Fraud / Fr

    We call it stealing. Here's the deal... consumers and fraudsters are abusing the rights granted to protect them from the horrid abuse inflicted by the ruthless merchants and credit card companies of long ago. The tables have turned. Unscrupulous consumers and outright fraudsters now have the upper-hand and the merchants suffering. Plain and simple, consumers and fraudsters are using these hard-won credit card rights to steal from merchants with credit cards payments, combined with subsequent chargebacks and threats of chargeback. ChargeFront Helping Online Merchants in their War on Fraudulent Chargebacks and Refund Abuse�

    link to this | view in chronology ]

    • identicon
      Howard, 1 Jan 2006 @ 8:14pm

      Re: Banks and credit card co's call it Soft Fraud

      As appealing as I find the concept, ChargeFront looks like an excellent way to get sued out of business. Very similar in concept to the database that doctors were trying to build on suit-happy patients.
      --
      Violins for sale

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  • identicon
    John, 16 Aug 2006 @ 9:46pm

    Cardmember service agreement / merchant agreement

    "they put in one of those Credit Card / Debit card machines that charges the customer the Fee"

    They can't do that. Report them to the credit card co immediately. You also can't raise the price just to cover the fee if someone decided to use credit instead of cash on the transaction.

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  • identicon
    dd, 22 Nov 2007 @ 7:46pm

    read the rules John

    ""they put in one of those Credit Card / Debit card machines that charges the customer the Fee"

    They can't do that. Report them to the credit card co immediately. You also can't raise the price just to cover the fee if someone decided to use credit instead of cash on the transaction."


    -Actually, yes it can be charged as a convenience fee, if payment by credit is not of the norm for the business.

    -Furthermore, a fee can be charged for debit.

    link to this | view in chronology ]


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