Antivirus Firm Pays Up To Avoid Being Barred From Selling In The US

from the yup.--that's-innovation dept

Last summer we noted that a seller of anti-virus appliances was on the verge of being completely barred from selling in the US for infringing on a patent held by Trend Micro for server-based anti-virus software. It seemed a bit odd that server-based anti-virus software could be patented -- but that's what happened. Of course, with the risk of having its US sales blocked out, Fortinet has decided to settle the lawsuit. The terms aren't stated, but you can assume that Fortinet had to pay some sum to Trend Micro just to keep selling its product in the US. Considering just how obvious the "invention" is, it hardly seems likely that Fortinet needed Trend Micro's info to create its appliances -- but now it has to pay up just to keep selling. That doesn't seem like promoting innovation at all.
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  • identicon
    Go Figure..., 30 Jan 2006 @ 4:26pm

    No Subject Given

    Thats sucks does'nt it?

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  • identicon
    Gainer, 30 Jan 2006 @ 4:28pm

    Response: Antivirus Firm Pays Up To Avoid Being Ba

    Read the Patent #5,623,600 from April 1997. The concept of server-base virus software is not the core of the patent. It is the 822 process steps that are documented make the patent defensible. Trend has quite specific definitions for how the technology is built - the dispute must have some merit. I believe defending intellectual property is important to defend in the US as nearly 70% of our economy is service-based (we don't make capital goods like we used to) http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srch num.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=5,623,600.WKU.&OS=PN/5,623,600&RS=PN/5,623,600

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 30 Jan 2006 @ 4:40pm

      Re: Response: Antivirus Firm Pays Up To Avoid Bein

      U need to check out http://www.tinyurl.com

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      • identicon
        Dam, 30 Jan 2006 @ 5:41pm

        Re: Response: Antivirus Firm Pays Up To Avoid Bein

        You need to look at the TLD: ".gov". When has anything done by the .gov ernment been tiny?

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      • identicon
        Johan, 30 Jan 2006 @ 5:59pm

        Re: Response: Antivirus Firm Pays Up To Avoid Bein

        OR just make a hyperlink

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    • identicon
      Anon, 30 Jan 2006 @ 7:46pm

      Re: Response: Antivirus Firm Pays Up To Avoid Bein

      Trend is Japanese, no?

      link to this | view in chronology ]

      • identicon
        Anonymous Coward, 30 Jan 2006 @ 8:12pm

        Re: Response: Antivirus Firm Pays Up To Avoid Bein

        Trend is German, yes.

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    • identicon
      Tom, 31 Jan 2006 @ 6:26am

      Re: Response: Antivirus Firm Pays Up To Avoid Bein

      Problem is about 90% of all software patents have some basis in prior art and should be summarily ruled invalid. Patent Office doesn't have the staff nor the skill to make this determination, which leads to a lot of undeserved patents being issued.

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  • identicon
    OK, 30 Jan 2006 @ 7:56pm

    No Subject Given

    Here is the above link done through tinyurl. http://tinyurl.com/b6czf

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  • identicon
    giafly, 31 Jan 2006 @ 5:28am

    Blackmail Sucks

    Re: I believe defending intellectual property is important to defend in the US as nearly 70% of our economy is service-based (we don't make capital goods like we used to)

    Strange use of the word "defend", to describe one company attacking another.
    And surely patent lawsuits make a bad situation worse, not better, by increasing the costs of manufacturing in the USA?

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    • identicon
      foofdawg, 31 Jan 2006 @ 7:47am

      Re: Blackmail Sucks

      "And surely patent lawsuits make a bad situation worse, not better, by increasing the costs of manufacturing in the USA?"

      I don't think I'd be too happy if someone else was making money off of something I patented. I also don't see where the manufacturing cost of software that is already completed and sold on the retail market would rise because of their lawsuit.

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        Mike (profile), 31 Jan 2006 @ 11:02am

        Re: Blackmail Sucks

        I don't think I'd be too happy if someone else was making money off of something I patented.

        Which misses the point entirely. Hey, I wouldn't be too happy if someone opened up a competing pizza shop next to the pizza shop I run, but THAT'S COMPETITION. You have to compete in the marketplace -- not the patent office.

        As for patents increasing costs, they add greatly to the legal fees associated with being in the software business.

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        • identicon
          Adam W, 31 Jan 2006 @ 4:42pm

          Re: Blackmail Sucks

          Not to mention extortion payments, which are also passed on to the customer

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 31 Jan 2006 @ 9:22am

    Software patents suck

    they are the biggest thing threatening inovation in software

    its a virtual mine field, you cant really write ANY new software that does anything without using patented obvious code. fortunately most of the time you arent sued on it. didnt i see a case a while back where microsoft got sued for some kind of browser plugin system? i mean microsoft makes the OS, makes the dll loading mechanism, makes the browser, makes the ability to load browser plugins for it ;) and someone else does it, and patents it.. its like .. someone builds a road, and you patent driving on it and sue them..

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    • identicon
      Blanc0, 1 Feb 2006 @ 6:43am

      Re: Software patents suck

      someone builds a road, and you patent driving on it and sue them.. More accurately: Someone builds a road, you build and patent a car to drive on that road and they copy your car.

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  • identicon
    Igor, 4 Dec 2009 @ 8:26am

    But don't you see, they are promoting innovation, they just want it all for themselves. I do have to agree that the fact that they somehow patented server based antivirus itself is pretty surprising. Patents can be notoriously hard to attain and are very specific. I am thinking that the server based antivirus is the general term for what they patented, but the process itself is quite specific. And, if this held up in court, there is probably something to it. Also, my bet is against a lump sum payment, and for a permanent percentage of sales....just a hunch, though.

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