Rebuilding The Internet With More Limits On Top Of The Internet... With Patents
from the seems-unlikely-to-go-anywhere dept
With all the talk about network neutrality, splintering the internet and other such things, would you believe there are some who believe the best solution is to create an entirely separate internet? It's a bit of a long, rambling press release, but some developers have apparently tried to re-imagine the internet from a top-down perspective (uh oh) using a patent pending (uh oh) plan to segregate out their own little walled garden (uh oh) with "a central controlling authority" (um...) that "coordinates the activity of certified channel nodes, to ensure that the Information provided by Individuals and organizations is verifiable, uniquely identified and organized" (anyone sense a problem yet?). The general aim is good -- to create an area that's free of the worst of the internet, but focusing on centralized authorities and walled gardens seems like throwing out quite a lot of the baby with the bath water. There may be some interesting ideas here, but on the whole, it's hard to see it catching on as a unique "alternative" to the internet.
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Dead Networking Technology Walks again
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There are obvious drawbacks to this idea, but they would certainly be no scarier than this entirely seperate, top-down internet proposal.
And yes, semantics junkies, it's hard to call it "inter-" if it's one top-down network.
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Controlled Internet?
"a central controlling authority"
"coordinates the activity of certified channel nodes, to ensure that the Information provided by Individuals and organizations is verifiable, uniquely identified and organized"
Hmmm.. are we that far removed from Adolf Hitler, Mao Tse Tung and Josef Stalin that these 'progressive' ideas to throttle free speech still bubble to the surface? As always, who is going to watching the Watchers?
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Re: Controlled Internet?
There is too much propaganda on the
internet. (Any position I don't agree
with is propaganda.) Less informed
(read intelligent) people might be
mislead and must be "protected."
I reject this argument vehemently.
The most effective defense against
propaganda is a free exchange of
ideas, even the bad ones.
This is why Hitler, Mao and Stalin
desired tight controls over the
dissemination information. Anyone
that calls for such controls should
cause your peril sensing goggles to
darken.
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This kind of data shouldn't even be kept on the same computers that are connected to public internet. Important information like this needs as many barriers from the general public as possible.
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And What's So Wrong with This Idea?
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"NetAlter is a radically superior System and Method which will offer, “Safe and Smart surfing environment”, “Super Fast Intelligent Deep Wide P2P Search”, “Robust protection against Virus and Piracy”, “GRID Supercomputing for every desktop”, “Active Collaboration”, “Protected Peer-to-Peer Personal Network” and more.
Users of applications based on NetAlter system will be able to download software, share files and information, create personal network and conduct online business without having to worry about surfing speed, junk information, unwanted advertisements, piracy, virus, spam and the myriad other issues that presently plague the internet.
Following are some of the features that NetAlter will offer over the current Internet:
SECURED GATEWAY TO SMART ENVIRONMENT
Present Internet is highly unorganized, read-only system where there are heterogeneous identities, standards and application interfaces resulting in frustration for the average internet user.
The NetAlter System offers a unified, user friendly visual interface based on standardized core browser technology, which can be customized to end-user requirement.
The NetAlter browser offers all-in-one functionality such as Multi Role (NetAlter Active, NetAlter Developer, NetAlter Service Provider, NetAlter Subscriber), Multi User, Multi tasking, Multi Language, support to Multi Collaboration and Sharing, Multiple Communication Channels (TCPIP/HTTP/Wireless, etc), Multi Platform and a variety of Styles, etc.
NetAlter will have a central controlling authority that coordinates the activity of certified channel nodes, to ensure that the Information provided by Individuals and organizations is verifiable, uniquely identified and organized."
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this is a service for the people and people need to take control. if i look to the vision of the future i wish to live in, i see no place for IPR. please everybody lets share and focus on innovative ideas which provide an alternative to our consumer based society. Lets try to move from consumerism to contributionism. if we all contribute to the system the system will provide. if we did everything with the consideration of others at heart we would receive more than enough to keep us happy in almost every moment of our lives.
NetAlter's ideas are not NetAlter's ideas. they are OUR ideas. close your eyes and think of services which would provide the greatest good for all humanity and i'm sure you'll come up with ideas supposedly owned by some individual or organization. So by thinking about what is best for everybody did you just steal an idea for which you should be prosecuted? Its very sad. personally i dont wish to support any system which supports and relies upon ideas which i believe do not serve the interests of the people. I like the NetAlter vision, but i wish it was more open.
open source or not, these guys are focusing on implementing a great service and though their approach differs from route i would like to see taken, the NetAlter team do seem to have good intentions. i hope the project develops in a positive direction.
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And What's So Wrong with This Idea?
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Of course, that's in a perfect world.
I'd bet that the new internet will be crawling with the same spyware.
And yes - we will lose something. We will lose the internet all together.
The goal of this nazi regime we have is to shut down the internet to control the alternative media. Of course... corporations use the internet... so they have to set up the new one first.
If you can't see this one coming a mile away - then perhaps you are the nutjob.
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Wow, now Bush is trying to shut down the Internet. He must be busy with all his tasks, blowing up levies, trying to kill black people (except the two he has placed in the most powerful cabinet position. First time that has been done), controlling oil to make his friends rich and destroying the environment. You are right, he must be stopped. He is the most powerful person ever and has direct control over everything.
I thought the right wing were supposed to be the wakos? What happened to those good old days? I miss the freemen, at least they had a sense of humor.
By the way, most are loosing sight of the article. It did not say the Internet was going away; just a secondary Internet would be created. We are a market driven society. If they see a market to make money with a private Internet, more power to them. Personally I think they will be losing a lot of capital on this venture.
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I happened to contact the company which is developing this concept. According to them they would be releasing soon the Beta Version of a Browser Interface which people can download and start creating their Personal Networks and Developers would be invited to develop applications around this browser interface offering solutions commonly available on the present internet but minus the virus, scams and malicious code. Also I believe the browser interface will allow developers to collaborate among themselves by sharing code (and actually get paid for that by other developers instead of copy and paste)
The personal network they say won't be regulated.
The only regulation is registration of the unique Identity of a user. So if I want to create 100 Personal Networks on NetAlter, it will carry my single identity whereas on the present Internet I can pretend to be whosoever I want to be and create a zillion Networks in the form of Blogs and Boards.
I think they are starting with the Beta Version of the browser and keep adding components. They are also considering offering Open Source development.
They were not ready to share more than this as their Patent application is still pending.
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Are you quite sure you don't work for the company?
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The Internet, warts and all...
Just like the physical world.
I don't like to make generalizations. However, I think it is safe to say that if you clamp down/restrict inter-networking, it has the same effect as clamping down/restricting general humanity.
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No Subject Given
Don't get me wrong, I think it's good to point this out but don't stop with just pointing, tell me why those things are bad or give me links to previous statements -- please?
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A Separate Internet
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a segregated censored Internet is a perfect oxymor
But in the heads of many reactionaries against an open information society, this mirror seems to be "too much". Why? Because they are to find everybody but themselves politically unmature when dealing with the unfiltered information that populates the internet! What arrogance!
That's why some would like to control it - and to make something like a common TV channel out of it - those nice, rich people telling us nice, bold lies they invent - a liar elite, only fostering their riches and power. Inter"TV"? What a disgust, no thanks. There's enough shallow, streamlined "information" in the mass media that tries to make streamlined idiots out of us, everytime you sit down on your living room couch.
Using the (uncensored, unsegregated) Internet must become a citizen right - it is the only way to escape today's misuse of politically correct speak into an orwellian "newspeak". And more, it empowers everybody to question the viewpoint of broadcasting media, that always only serve to propagate a political viewpoint that satisfies the "happy few", mentionned above. What else?
The 'Net is violent, cruel, full of smut, bloodstained, dumb, full of hatred and wrath, completely nuts, shallow and deeply subjective, etc. for about 80% of it's content, but that's true for our real world, too. So why look away and letting it lock away by the same powerful people that already are in control of the other media?
Just start think about the consequences now...
Beat
"A strong weapon in the hands of a weak man always becomes a weak weapon. But a weak weapon in the hands of a strong man always becomes a strong weapon. So, in war, as always, mind the men, never the weapons."
Indian saying.
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AOL
What is sounds like they are trying to create (or rather, RECREATE) is the "Next AOL"... aka, "AOL 10.0"
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Of course, people will still want to use the old Internet..
So there will have to be some way of connecting all the new Internets together. Something like... the Internet? Thats an awful lot like "web sites".
It sounds like a confusing(read: stupid) and superfluous level of abstraction.
Thats seems to be the new thing, drive existing technology to a new level of abstraction then take control of whatever it is that decodes it.
Isn't this almost the same thing as Internet 2.0?
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Already Exists
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$$$
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By all means, let's rebuild the internet!
Not going to happen any time soon, I know. But I like to dream.
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NetAlter Analysis
NetAlter dont want to take internet controls.
Subscriber gets free subscriber active browser.
provider can collaborate with oher providers in related field or subject and provide information collaboratively to subscribers so subscriber can rank,compare data e.g. mobile info from all sources.
No intermidery or minimum intermidery makes system beautifull
universal democartic grid enviormnet is everybodys dream - what u provide u get later
e.g. i provide computing powers 2 hours daily then at the end of month i get 3600 computers processing power for 1 minutes to advetise my products world wide or search certain things.
People gets low cost products and services because devlopers now able to provide it because no piracy,competition,virus,marketing cost and development cost minimize because of ready to use code and component library and collaborative development.
fastest search engine makes system powerfull
mirid of features,world wide catagorise database and organised NetAlter system makes search engine unbelivable.
browser to browser communication means peer to peer , human to human , machine to machin information and knowledge transfer is possible
billions of doller social wast savings!!!!!!!
works in diconnected environment
both internet and business application platform -rich or smart clinet as well as server or client side thin client and mobile client
Great option to migrate from internet to NetAlter
start to Convege from internet to netalter
Great disruptive technology example will change the world
My support is always with true democratic netalter universal i-governance
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Makes Business Sense Maybe not Common Sense
I went to their site. The site is not very informative. Maybe there is a reason for not publishing all the details. After all this is the Internet where people copy ideas on the fly. Seems like their final product is under Work-In-Progress and IN WRAPS.
But I liked the read on their FAQs.
Summarising, I think this is what NetAlter has to Offer.
It certainly DOES NOT seem like a replacement for current Internet but more of ANOTHER FREE CHOICE to the monopoly of the current Internet which will be eventually controlled by the likes of Google, Chinese Government, etc.
They seem to have invented a more organized form of Internet System (READ NOT INTERNET 2 KIND OF BACKBONE) which offers a Personal Network that does not have any form of controls (the likes of chinese government, microsoft, et al). I think the creator of the Personal Network is the administrator of the same. (similar to blogs and boards).
Yet, there seems to exist a central controlling authority that merely issues Identity TAGs to published content so that the Intellectual Property Rights (IPR) of the owners are protected and that too only those which get published in the NetAlter Public domain.
Maybe I can finally make money on the Net. lol.
This should also prevent hackers, SCAMs and virus spreading through the public network. Cheers for that!!!
NetAlter seems to have a far more intelligent Search Engine. It claims to provide super fast search based on supercomputing grid. This could mean that your search query will be processed using the power of hundreds of computers in the GRID with the results displayed instantly to you. The Search also promises date wise listing and filtering of Search Results. This would be fantastic as I would then be able to know if the information is outdated or more recent.
Move over Google, Here comes NetAlter...
The Best part is that NetAlter will be available FREE.
Yes, I wish it were less controlled but then how different it would be from the present Internet.
Thomas
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Rebuilding The Internet With More Limits On Top Of
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