Epson Jumps On Aftermarket Ink Resellers -- Claims Patent Infringement
from the but-of-course dept
The big printer companies really do seem to go out of their way to use intellectual property law to prevent any real competition for the ink they sell. How else can they make sure that their ink costs more than vintage champagne or high end perfume? Or, to put it in more graphic terms, apparently an Olympic-sized pool filled with printer ink would cost more than $5.9 billion at market prices today. So, yeah, it's no wonder that the printer companies (who subsidize the printers, and try to make it up in the ink) are doing whatever possible to lock out anyone else who might compete. In the past, Lexmark tried very hard, but was eventually denied when it tried to use the DMCA to stop competitors. However, the other printer makers have apparently learned from that mess. Instead of using the DMCA, they're using patents. HP went after ink refillers last year and now Epson is going after 24 aftermarket ink resellers, claiming patent violations.Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.
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Lexmark, HP, Epson, and to round the group off....
http://www.asahi.com/english/Herald-asahi/TKY200601310457.html
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INKED
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Chris
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Alternatives
I rue the day I got rid of it really.
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After that, of course, you'd squirt some endorsingt ink into it and spin the ribbon through until it was fullt reinked, and repeat using until the ribbon actually wore through. ;-D
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Have bought new inkjets because
Honestly, I would rather pay $200 up front for a good printer, then pay $10 for full-array-color inks later on. The cost-per-print of plain black-and-white printing through today’s inkjets is outrageous. I recently replaced one of our inkjets with a simple, refurbished laser (for the family’s black-and-white printing jobs), and have already saved more money than it takes to buy two sets of carts from the previous text printer.
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Cost for ink is a false metric
Yes, the inkjet business model is all messed up. Yes, consumers have been duped with loss-leader printer prices. Yes, the litigous protection of a business model based on consumer's lack of intelligence is wrong. But don't make the argument on the $/gallon principle. Buy a laser. Print your pictures at Wal-Mart for $0.08 per print (on better paper with better tone than your inkjet will give you). Beat the inkjet manufacturers soundly about the head and shoulders with your wallet until they comply.
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Re: Cost for ink is a false metric
That's true, but the printer manufacturers try their best to keep you from being allowed to refill the existing cartriges. Going so far as to sue companies that refill your cartriges or provide kits for refilling. Also, if the cost of the print head and the ink is so expensive, then why is it that the aftermarket manufacturers can make them and sell them at half the cost of the official cartriges?
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Their able to do it because their not actually making the cartridge. They get people to send in their old ones or buy them from a recycler and then refill them. So it's actually the OEM that's making them.
While I don't agree with the OEM's, I just wanted to correct that.
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Re: Cost for ink is a false metric
Way less than half. I just bought a set of cartidges (i.e. 4 tanks) for my daughter's Canon for $12 at a computer show. Retail is $10-12 EACH!
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Re: Cost for ink is a false metric
"you're not buying ink - you're buying a new print head and ink to go with it"
If that is true, then why is it $33 for a SINGLE black cartridge - but $37 for *FOUR* color cartridges?
It seems to me that Epson knows that businesses will be using much more black ink than color, so they charge 300% more for that single cartridge.
The pricing is like this with ALL Of their inkjet models - here is an example:
http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/BuyInk.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&oid=22708391
which comes out to $70 to replace all the inks at one time. OR you could just purchase a brand new identical Epson printer for $49... which already comes with these inks.
It seems to me, that it would be in your best benefit to just throw away your printer when the inks run out and buy a new one (every 2 months or so).
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It seems this is the business model many companies tend to follow. So when is greenpeace going to cry scandal? Anybody else see a serious flaw here, or am i the only hippie dooshbag on this forum?
FYI i'm no hippie. Hippies piss me off but overconsumption to the benefit of an industry's "health" pisses me off more. What can I do about it? Maybe join greenpeace, buy a sniper gun and knock some industry players off. OK that's no solution, agreed, but it would sure apease my anger. For the moment, I'll be sitting on the side-lines and watching the world go to hell as always, hail satan!
Now where's my vallium and prozac to put this frustrated wanna-be-rebel at peace? There we go, aah much better. Woopty-fuck'n-doo...
--- off topic yet again, guess i'm not getting guestlisted at any sillicon valley parties any time soon, bummer i love a girl with acne and thick glasses who is fluent in C++ ---
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Use Wal Mart or Walgreens for photo printing and stick it to the printer companies by buying a new printer instead of new cartridges. They lose money on every printer sale thinking we are too dumb to catch on...
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FWIW, Epson is not one of those cases. The print head is part of the machine.
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inkjet refills vs. refilled
So I got a new HP. Cartridges last a long time, but cost a fortune to replace. I bought refilled cartridges, and all I got was an error message. They wouldn't work at all. I had to go buy new HP cartridges. Now THAT ticks me off!
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Ink and printers
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Easy solution(?)
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The Celtic Fiddler
Violins and Accessories
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Continuous Ink Systems
If you get your kit & ink from a reputable dealer, it more than pays for itself. My kit costaround $150 , including ink equivalent to 10 cartridges. If I had purchased canon carts ...
5 carts X $10/cart X 10 = $500
I got my kit and my ink from MIS Associates (inksupply.com) based on recommendations from users of Steve's Digicam forum. Another good site for information of continuous ink systems is http://www.continuousink.info/forum/
ps: Those printers that cost less that the ink cartridge actually have "starter" ink carts in them. They only contain 1/2 to 1/4 the amount of ink a regular cart does. HP and Lexmark are particularly bad about this. Personally, I will stick with Canon. Their printers cost more, carts cost less, and they don't use any electronic gimmicks to force you to buy ink you don't need (ie they have a real ink level sensor (optical) as opposed to just counting pages or cartridge age).
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The newest generation of Canon printers released this past month now use carts with chips built in. 3rd party carts cannot be used as the chips are required by the new printers and their design is patented. On the refil fron, if the printer detects that a cart is refilled it prohibits you from printing till the carteridge is replaced. Furthermore it writes your "warenty violation" to the printers onboard memory.
Consider yourself lucky the ip5000 was the last generation of canon printers economical inks can be used in.
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Some refiller companies actually sell a tool that resets the chip when you refill it.
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Lexmark tried to use the DCMA to shut down refillers and they lost recently. Any company that tries to enforce a monoply like this will lose in the end. The last thing you want to see is the ability of someone like a car manufacturer say "you have to use our parts and no one elses and you have to pay whatever price we set". That is illegal in the US, I dont know about elsewhere. It flies in the face of a free market economy and the courts have backed it up time and time again.
So Epson and Canon and whoever else can piss away all the money they want and thump their chests all they want but they will lose in the end. The problem is that the "end" can take several years and many court battles. And by that time, all that time and money could have gone into building a better mousetrap rathering they paying off the lawyers.
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Beware of these jerkoffs they'll take your money but when something is defective they take their damn time until you threaten them..
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Epson cartridges AND print heads
I'll be getting a laser next, if I can find one that doesn't come with a box of caveats.
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article not completely correct
The printer companies need to realize we as refillers have an annual revenue of $10 billion, and no lawsuit, negative adversiting, or tricks will stop us.
They need to realize their loss, sell the ink and toner to refillers and make back some of that money.
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Don't print
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Epson Printers
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Jack
Epson T048
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Please let me know guys its like a mistery to me
thanks
anyone with an answer can even email me alireza_z@hotmal.com
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