Techdirt: Looking A Bit Different
from the redesign-time dept
Okay, it's only been seven years since we last did a major redesign of Techdirt, so we figured maybe it was about time -- and decided to have the redesign coincide with tomorrow's Techdirt Greenhouse event. As a few of you have noticed, we've now launched the brand new look and feel of the site, as designed by the extremely talented Jamie Wieferman. We've redesigned all our sites, including our corporate site to match this new look and feel. Among other things, we've also made changes to the system that we're using, which will allow us to add some new features as well in the coming months. We've been going through the site and fixing a few minor things that seemed to have broken in the switchover, but if you notice anything new, or have any feedback about the design, please feel free to comment or send us feedback and let us know. Thanks!
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LOVE IT!
-AJ-
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HATE IT
No offense, I love your content, but the design is ugh.
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Re: HATE IT
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Re: Re: HATE IT
Out of simple curiousity, how are the white side bars any more annoying than all of the white that the last page produced. In fact, I personally find them very nice. It keeps the content from being cluttered and the page loads fast even when I have a low signal strength on my wireless connection. Anyway, just to clarify, the previous design had tremendous more amounts of white than this one, in my opinion.
Enjoy,
Synktar
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Re: Re: Re: HATE IT
It's mostly the single column of text down the center of my screen that forces what would be a 2- or 3-line post to be a small paragraph -- for some reason it offends my delicate sensibilities. ;-) I've found that most of the non-minimalist blog templates have a similar format, so it must be the new design thing. I agree with a lot of the later posters as well, that a constrained text block like that results in a lot more scrolling. This was my first time posting here -- I'm surprised that it got so much notice!
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Re: HATE IT
Suggestion: Can we have different switchable css styles that we can can be saved in cookies? ...one of them being the old design?
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change means progress
Nothing stays the same; everything changes, no matter how slowly.
Cheers TechDirt; I'll be around; kicking the tyres.
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LOVE IT
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Awesome
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YEA!
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awesome
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Change is good...
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This is good
I do everything fixed width because expandable makes no sense at all it reduces readability greatly, it's one of the things I hate about slashdot but love about OSnews.
Great work.
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redesign
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Why?
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<3's It
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Very Professional
Unlike some of the whiners here, I'm fine with the fixed width. I run 1024, and am not bothered by the look of the site. As a webmaster, I know designing for 800x600 is the best policy if you're not going with expanding width tables or DIVs.
Layout looks so great X3 A lot like Wordpress blogs.
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Re: Very Professional
Love the new look and feel -- much more professional and just cooler. And ditto 800x600. I'm running 1024 (at least on two computers) as well, and don't mind the fixed width at all. In fact, it makes it feel cleaner to me.
Awesome job, Techdirt! Thanks for updating!
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Love It (Much Better)
Oh, one last question, will there be a version for mobile devices such as my pocket pc so I don't have to try and scroll back and forth (that's always annoying).
Good job again and keep up the wonderful work,
Synktar
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Thanks for the feedback
As for the question about mobile devices... yes, we will have a mobile version. We're pretty close on that, but wanted to get this one out first.
Thanks everyone!
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Re: Thanks for the feedback
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Well Done
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Awesome Job Guys and/or Gals...
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sux
And without threaded view hard to keep track of conversations.
The new look feels way too busy.
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Re: sux
Just a thought,
Synktar
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Re: Re: sux
I work for a site that handles around 250k average daily logins. A quick parsing of our server logs for any given day in the last week yields 64% average per day using 1024x768. This simple fact alone means that your "data" is craptastically useless.
Bring back the old resolution-independent, clean, readable, simple Techdirt that was here before.
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I do like the new look of the site BTW
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blech
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FUCK THIS
CANNOT STAND TO LOOK AT THIS SHIT
DELETED FROM RSS FEEDS SINCE I CAN GET THE SAME SHIT FROM SLASHDOT (ALBEIT 3 DAYS LATER)
MY CAPS ARE JUST AS ANNOYING AS YOUR HUGE FONTS
MY EEEYYYYEESSSSS...........
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Re: FUCK THIS
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Re: FUCK THIS
I love the new layout, it's not so notepad-ish.
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Re: FUCK THIS
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eehhhh
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Can we get back the old...
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Holy huge graphics!
Chris.
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Re: Holy huge graphics!
Did anyone think of the usability when they did this? It looks "neat" but I don't come here for bublegum graphics that take up my whole screen. I come here for information which I have to scroll endlessly to read now .. maybe it's time to move along.
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New Style
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I'm in the hate it camp...
It's using 1/3 of my screen width to display comments. As previously mentioned the scrolling required is excessive. Perhaps I misunderstand the goal of this TechDirt website.
I thought the goal was to generate discussion and responses from the people reading the stories. If that isn't the goal then I think this design works well.
If it is the goal then I think it fails badly. No threaded view of comments in conjunction with the three words per line makes it difficult to track the conversation.
I'm not saying the old site was perfect. It wasn't (especially the magic "html now it's there, now it's not" comment submission form) but it definitely gave a more condensed view of the users comments.
I come here to read the stories but I also like the fact that the comments by others are often engaging and a cut above slashdot.
I'll probably still read the stories I just won't bother to comment anymore.
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comment grouping
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Change it Back
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looks great
Fixed width looks dressy but is slightly fatiguing to read - eyes have to sweep faster to capture the same wordspan.
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newspaper-layout no-more.
also the fixed-width is a pail to deal with since each single comment uses up such a large part of the screen and I'm constantly scrolling to read the next comment or even to compare it to the previous comment.
this new layout is much more of a pain since I normally read TD in the morning while eating breakfast or at a coffee shop - now I need to constantly scroll and have a greater chance of loosing my reading position.
i enjoyed reading TD as if it was a physical newspaper - i would set it up and read everything on the page. then a minute (or so) later, I would flip the page to the next - now I constantly have to scroll every 10 seconds.
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BUG?
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Good feedback
Good feedback all around. Please be aware that we're going to make some changes based on all this feedback and that some of the features (threaded comments) we're going to add, but didn't have done in time for this launch.
So, I would ask that for those who have complaints that you keep them constructive.
Thanks!
Mike
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Looks great
Approved.
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looks cool
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Some good, some bad
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Looks OK, does not validate...
I like the look of the redesign in general, though I too am generally down on fixed width pages. It just doesn't seem to match the flexibility of the medium. I recognize that fixed with designs are usually easier to produce and implement, but a site like Techdirt, which has gained a (deserved) reputation for quality, rational comments on the modern online experience, could do well to lead by example.
I predict that fixed width designs will eventually become outdated and quaint. Remember the image of a dog-eared book page in the upper corner of the computer screen to go forward or back a page? That's rigid book-thinking applied to a much less restrictive medium.
Oh, and also the new site fails validation pretty miserably. At least get that right.
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My kingdom for variable width
Other than that the layout is pretty and shiny.. I likies.
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LOVE IT
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HATE it
The old design looked a hell of a lot better. And loaded faster.
Oh well, guess this gives more real estate for things that we all need more of... advertisements. *snort*
(Sorry, I just fear seeing blinking 'punch the monkey' ads, like many other sites.)
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I like
Never actually posted b4 either. Good stuff :)
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good idea of good look, but ...
too many web designers forget to check larger fonts!
a loyal reader of techdirt.
pheloxi
p.s. pity you lost part of identity by removing the dot after techdirt.
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'reply to' smaller
Apart from the fixed width I like the new layout.
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GREAT HISTORY
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.techdirt.com/
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Very Fresh
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looks
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Looks Great
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more crap design
when the font size is increased the text overlaps itself and other page elements
come on guys make the whole page dynamic. i know it is possible.
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beautiful but i don't like it
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New Look
Old Reason to look at Tech Dirt:
Great Info, Ease of Use, Uncluttered Ugly Page
New Reason to Look at Tech Dirt:
Great Info, Ease of Use, Uncluttered Pretty Page
Keep up the good work.
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Good But...
But the blogginess, the whole web 2.0 trendy fad thing i'm getting tired of.. some originality is always nice.
But.. hopefully it won't take another 7 years to update again.
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nice ... but
I suppose if you like your content long and skinny it's ok.
As long as it's the same quality of content it doesn't matter too much.
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Link color and bolding and and...
The element I'm not liking is the hyperlinks. I don't doubt that the color of hyperlinks is graphically harmonious. Unfortunately it isn't functional. The blue is so dark as to be nearly indistinguishable from black when used for standard text. I'm not colorblind, but I have to really look at the text to tell what is a link. Someone with even minimal sight problems could easily not be able to tell at all. Perhaps the rollover bolding of hyperlinks was meant to offset this, but readers shouldn't need to hover the mouse over all the text to spot the hyperlink. This isn't a videogame, and text that automagically grows is something I'd expect to see on a site with red-on-green text with background wallpaper and music. Please find a hyperlink style that better fits the overall quality of the new look. Thanks.
p.s. Also regarding hyperlinks, I am saddened to see you've joined the maddening trend of setting the "visited" color the same as the non-visited color. Again, this is style over function. The visited feature exists so readers can tell what hyperlinks they've already recently visited. This is more important than enforcing a pretty color scheme, especially when a designer can use a complementary but still different 'visited' color.
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The new look
the eyes.
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On Fixed Widths
That said, please give serious consideration to the fixed width issue. Although only a minor annoyance, an annoyance it is. Why would you wish to annoy your visitors?
Keep up the great work, and thanks so much for Techdirt. I read it daily.
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It loads slow :(
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Love It
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Not bad...could be better though
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Fixed Width
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HORRIBLE ! You look like all other blogs !
You look like a copy of Techcrunch etc... Soon u will be doing pingbacks trackbacks , tagging , permalink and other stupid stuff , huh ?
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Prefer the old icons
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Much Better
However, I agree a great deal of the other posters, you should do something about the fixed width.
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hmmm...
For me, one of the attractions to Techdirt was the ala-Craigslist style of "bare bolts." It was easy to read, skim, and post.
Because your site's name is "TECHDIRT", not "TECHPRETTY". I come here for content - not because i'm impressed with your webdesign. I don't need abstract icons or graphic ads to help me read.
If I were your designer (and I'm not), I'd take cues from actual intelligence reports (see national archives or TheSmokingGun for examples) and keep the site spartan....just like the old teletype intel printouts. For "Techdirt: Corporate Intelligence" I couldn't think of a more appropos "theme".
But I still got luv fo da TD.
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Nice
Cool. I like the new design, it was rather sparce before. This new design adds a more professional look to the site.
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Well duh///
- So stop complaining. Yes we lost a couple good features and diddnt gain any new ones. Ok, thats not prooving my point... But seriously, it does do somthing astheticaly for it at least and I think it will also be a little more interesting to newcomers.
The look reminds me of an revamped http://www.lawrence.com or somthing. Overall its nice.
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Eye candy
I dislike the low contrast menu at the top of the page. Dark grey on black is not very user friendly for us baby boomers with failing eyes.
If you wanted eye candy you should have added some (tastefully) naked bimbos.
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It's not about the design,
There is no need to have a gigantic header just because everyone else does. This site is important because of its content.
I liked your old-school look because it added credibility to the site. Kind of like "we've been around for a long time and have succeeded and there is no need to keep up with the Jones'" (It's kind of annoying now how far down the page the story starts... You don't need to be like Digg.)
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Fixed Width
The fixed width makes complete sense for me (even though my compy res is 1600X1200)
when I originally built my site, it was built for 1024 but then when I started getting hits I looked at the resolutions for my various readers and surprisingly a LOT of them were running 800X600, so a redesign was needed, and granted...
my $.02
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Looks Good
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:P
Awesome... i love it!
Suggestion for the comments, make the replies to comments have a link to the comment that it's replying to.
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Suggestion
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It's alright ...
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At least...
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The extra white space is pathetic.
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Great icon design
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OH MY GOD, FINALLY!
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Love it
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Old was good, new is great!
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IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT.
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Wow.
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Like the look
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New Look: Ding! Fixed Width: Bzzzt!
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New Site Design
Bravo!
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Fixed with? No thanks.
As I'm running 1280x1024 it's lot of screen real estate wasted.
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Great except for the Fixed width
Running at 1024, the comment section (once you get past the ads) sits in less than 50% of the available screen... at 1280 it looks kinda ridiculous.
If the site was set to 95% of browser width it would help make better use of high resolutions and look very similar to the way it does now on low 800x600 resolutions...
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Comments go to Zero after 100 .
Seriosly , you look like blogger template , got fixed width , and there is nothing clever in the icons any more .
You look like a blog of a 14 yearold + 200$ for the logo and icons .
You are high-traffic , you actually have Alot of visitors that like your writing dont play these retarded
Permalink , tag , trackback , pinback , feed
Blogging games .
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The first time I followed an rss link to this new design I thought I clicked the wrong link and it led me to some crap UK news site
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If my voice is heard...
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If my voice is heard...
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Good and Bad
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well...
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geigh
I liked the older version better, but that's just because I became accustomed to it.
I'm sure I'll get accustomed to this one, but that time frame would be greatly shortened if there was no fixed width, or if it was increased.
My screen res is, and has been 1280x1024 since about 2002, and I've can't says I've come across a website yet that makes my eyes bleed.
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Logo style
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Re: Logo style
http://leoville2.tripod.com/techtv.gif
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Nice
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Learn to program before doing web design
If you are going to redesign the web site for gosh sakes learn enough programming inorder to do such.
At present your website uses 1/3 of available desktop space leaving 2/3 as 1/3 on each side of a center 1/3 of content as blank white space.
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I like it...
I like that fact that you did something new, and that is refreshing.
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Looks fine ... except
Old techdirt made use of my entire 1280 pixels of width on my home PC, the 1920 width on my pc at work or the limited 480 width on my Axim. Now, I haven't had the opportunity to test this on my mobile device. But so far on my other PCs, as my resolution increases, your page layout just centers itself leaving a large area of unused space and a big scrollbar.
Besides that, the the design is great. It's a clean look and feel and a hell of an improvement. But form has to follow function. Please, please make the width of the entry's text scale dynamically.
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WAY Better!
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Doesn't do it for me
Maybe, once you have it, I can just read the mobile version on my computer. That usually looks far better for the sites that do that. Of course the best sites are the ones that don't _need_ a special mobile site....
Just my $.02....
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design change
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Looks great
Pages look very clean and you immediately get a sense of where things are on the page. On most webpages you have to look at the page for a little while to find out where everything (content,menu,adverts, etc..) is.
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Nice job
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Needs work
Tweak it a bit, huh?
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Scared of white space?
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I like it. So your monitors have great tracks of l
I know you guys probably paid $900 for your 24" wide screen, and are pretty pissed that your valuable acreage isn't being used effectively... But no one ever complained that a book wasn't wide enough. 24" screens are oversized for news in this format. Try reading a magazine where one page is 18" wide, no columns. It's not pleasant unless it's loaded with huge pictures to fill the space. A webpage can completely lose its visual integrity if it has ultimate scalability. Just shrink down your windows a bit. You know you want to fill in that left over acreage with some pleasant scenery and/or attractive women.
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Spiff-o
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counter error
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New Not As Functional
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Uh Oh!
Try again.
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Works for me!
Easier, Faster,......Pesti
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Nice!!!
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Goodbye
That's it, I'm outta here. I simply can't believe the audacity of this guy.
I like the redesign Mike, however you've taken the idea and plowed it with your self indulgent attempt to inflate yourself as something more than you are. You've obviously forgotten your roots, and who it was who got you here.. your community.
If you want to become yet another un-original corporate shill that's your business, but how dare you do it on my time.
I wish Techdirt and its mere 5 comments per article well in its endeavors.
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ACCK!
Please, fix this problem ASAP!
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New Look
the content needs more room.
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Never really noticed
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Love the New Design
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new look...
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somewhat love it
however, I can't pin it down, but somehow it became a lot harder to read. Maybe its the choice of fonts and colors...
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New design.
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Fixed-Width
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Mixed Feelings
Things I don't like:
1) The fixed width has to go. Failing that, we need more than the middle half of the screen as text. Seriously, the comments take up a *ton* more vertical real-estate now.
2) I don't like the jarring effect of the dark header with the white rest-of-site. Either a lighter header is needed, or you need a nice gradient transition so it isn't such a sharp line.
3) The 'Related Stories' box is waaaaay down at the bottom below all the ads.
Things I like:
1) The comment box put right there at the bottom! It's a small thing, to be sure, but it really makes it feel like it's easier to comment. I like it.
2) The fact that 'Related Stories' is now actually related stories, not just the article's links stripped out into another box.
3) It's still the same ol' Techdirt.
Things I'm not sure about:
1) The ginormous story icons.
2) The new way of indicating icons.
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Re: Mixed Feelings
I'm still *not* cool with the sudden change from black top to white body. That's just... jarring.
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Changing font sizes makes it harder to read
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A. Deal with it
B. Get a new monitor the one you are using from 92' needs replaced
C. If you can't handle either of the other suggestions kill yourself.
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Fixed Width
I suppose maybe I'll just write a GreaseMonkey script to take care of this, or perhaps, maybe someone else already has!
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Fixed Width
Fixed width on a web page is one of those things that is popping up more and more, for only one reason: It lets the web designer make a prettier site. By nailing down margins and column widths to the pixel, the designer can specify layout as precisely as they can on a printed page.
The problem is that it's unfriendly to the visitor. It flies in the face of how HTML is supposed to be coded, which should be a suggestion to the visitor's browser about how to render the site. Sites shouldn't be 'built for x resolution'... they should be built to be rendered however the visitor wants, whether they're a leet hacker @1600 or a nearsighted senior citizen @ 640.
But, rant aside, I like the redesign. I've always been partial to white, silver, and blue... Good old Amiga 2.0 colors.
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Your new design is broken in many respects and you obviously did not bother to test it thoroughly across multiple architectures, operating systems and web browsers.
The use of fixed width and fixed height shows you do not understand the simple fact that there are many possible screen sizes and resolutions. For me, someone who likes large text fonts (and has configured his browser to always use them), your site is now unreadable since lines of text are now partially obscuring each other.
If you highered a supposed "web developer" to create this new site, please fire them for incompetence.
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New web site design
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Go back to the old design
is its analysis and insights, and those can be expressed more than
adequately in plain ASCII text. Leave the all-singing-all-dancing
web site design to the clueless newbies who think the 'net is a video
game or a TV commercial. You're not peddling trendiness here,
you're peddling clear thinking -- why muddle it with worthless crap?
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Yes, lose the fixed width, it wastes a lot of desktop and makes the page harder to skim and read.
The large headline and icon add a lot of visual clutter. Less is more.
And get some intervention help for the designer. He may have joined a neo-Jakobology cult while no one was watching... sheesh...
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New Site Layout
I hated the old site and when I clicked on my feeds I always groaned at the old site and thought it was a mess.
The NEW Layout is GREAT - Well done - its easy to skim through the articles of interest - easy to read looks CLASSY!
Dont roll back guys, I LOVE IT!!! Well Done!
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Bah!
This redesign absolutely represents a triumph of style over substance, and I didn't think that was what Techdirt was about.
The old Techdirt had the look of a news site for techies and geeks - the new look screams "corporate" and really, it now looks no different than the other thousands of corporate sites on the Net. The only thing that's missing is the overuse of the Verdana font, the only one "webdesigners" seem to know about.
I'll still read Techdirt for the excellent articles ... unless *that* changes for the "better" as well.
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Too much header in Thunderbird RSS Mode.
The old format was one of the cleanest content that I read. It was something that I could recognize immidiatly, and read the contents of. Now, the header fills half of my readable space, and the text isn't as readable.
I understand the need to Ad placement, it's just if the content takes me longer to interpret, I'm less likely to digest it in the first place.
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Hello Mike?
I still don't care about fixed width, but a HUGE majority of posters do and want a non-fixed width site. The one thing that makes me think they are right is that arstechnica.com looks like ASS because of a fixed width that bears ZERO relation to my screen resolution. "Stupid web designer, fixed is for pricks..."
So Mike, are you going to comment AT ALL on the 160+ feedback comments, or is Techdirt going to bury its head in the sand and do whatever you damn well please despite what your visitors want???
Considering how much you criticize companies for ignoring their customers needs and wishes, it really isn't cool for you to ignore what your site's visitors want. You get what we're all saying? Hello?!?!?!?
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we're listening..
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