And The Lord Said, Let There Be Spywayre
from the moral-relativism-in-digital-worlds dept
Apparently, "Thou shalt not distribute spyware" isn't one of the Ten Commandments. Left Behind Games, a maker of evangelical Christian videogames, has partnered with startup Double Fusion to distribute and track in-game advertising. There's nothing new about in-game advertising itself, and it can even enhance the realism of the game. But when you're battling the Antichrist on the streets of Manhattan, and pause to read a billboard on the side of a building, you probably don't expect that information (along with your personal information) to be sent to the advertiser. For Left Behind's part, the company has been getting these games into kids' hands by distributing free disks at churches around the country. This is straight out of the spyware playbook: give out free games and then track the user. It's no surprise that the in-game advertising market would give rise to user tracking -- information that marketers love -- but who would have guessed that a Christian company would be such a pioneer in this type of activity?
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And there was spyware
Blessed are the spammers: for they shall inherit the internet.
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Hmm
The real problem with doing business with Christians is that they feel they are right and everybody else is wrong. The customer is always right doesn't apply to them.
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Unfair generalizations can work both ways.
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I would have to believe that that comment could easily apply to any religion (or other belief). How else to explain the prolifigation of wars that have occured because of beliefs?
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Real Christians
They understand "there is no respect of persons with God."....
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Christians & The Church
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Sigh...
The gospel is offensive, at least the Christian one... so it says in the good book (1 Corinthians 1). We're not supposed to win people over with a cool "Christian culture." We're supposed to speak the message, and let it stand for itself. Stuff like this makes me sick.
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Karma is Alive and Kicking!! Praise Darwin.
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Karma is Alive and Kicking!! Praise Darwin.
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Christian: zero value adjective
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Christian Marketing is EVIL
Let us play in peace!
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Frustrations
Not all of us are evangelical nutjobs who think Christianity is a marketing campaign or a theocratic ideal. Some of us are just people who want to help others and see love spread around to everyone; who want to see a superficial and spiteful world stop blaming everyone for everything, realize we all have faults and all have to work together to overcome them.
Before you generalize "Christians" into one group, realize that the word "Christian" is extremely general in and of itself. It covers people on a spectrum from intolerant evangelicals who believe all must conform to them, to liberal idealists preaching tolerance for all. I fall squarely in the middle of that spectrum, but think before you get your Christian hate on.
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Don't take it personally, it's just the inconsistency (nay, utter lack) in logic when matters of faith come up that undermines anything else you say.
Your love is rejected because the sole basis of the comfort is "because my daddy's daddy told my daddy and my daddy told me". Faith is indoctrination, not a trait like respect or empathy.
It's a scary, cold world without the safety blanket of fictitious love from above, but it's more honest and once you realize that you cope better.
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You assume I'm not intellectual. I happen to be.
I have a BA in English, which includes much more than you realize. English can become a very philosophical subject when dealing with interpreting literature and literary signs that present themselves in modern culture.
One of the biggest things that I learned from English is to question everything. I'm not a protestant nutjob evangelical. I'm Roman Catholic. Have been all of my life. I questioned much in college, considering why I believed what I believe, considered going MORE conservative for a time, considered total rejection, and logically reasoned out why I decided to stay Roman Catholic. Not all Christians are intellectual dimwits. Another generalization.
Because you can't fathom reasons for believing in a "higher power," you condemn and insult others for not following your beliefs. In this manner, you are worse than the great majority of conservative Christians in this country. You're on par with a large minority of conservative evangelical Christians, whose primary task is aggressive conversion.
Maybe faith is an indoctrination. Maybe cynicism is too. Who is the true victim here, you or me? I can't say. But I can say that I'd rather have faith than be cynical.
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First of all, a smart person judges people as individuals... where is the discernemnt in your generalized dismissal of anyone calling themselves a Christian?
Second, logic will not ever be able to fully explain matters of faith... but some people would rather live without faith than have to trust it...
Agreed, though - a faith that is rooted in indoctrination is a weak faith indeed... Better the faith that comes through a personal relationship with God... a lot of so-called Christians may fall in the former category, but not all - more and more people are coming to realize that being a Christian is more than lip service.
As for the "ficticious love from above" ... well, as a follower of Christ, I prefer to rely on the Love that lives inside me... as the Scriptures teach.
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2) Trying to ban books in schools and libraries? Could you site some sources? Once again, any cases are becuse we have our values. Should we give up on the public school system and stick with homeschooling? Probably. That doesn't mean it's right to teach biased one-sided arguments in schools.
3) When I was in sixth grade, an assebly was called and we were told about the dangers of sex and the option of abstinence. Compared with the danger, it looked like the only fool-proof option to me. The other view is to have only the "condoms are the only way to go" viewpoint, which happens to be just as controlling.
4) The debate of abortion isn't about whether women have rights over their bodies, but whether an unborn baby is a human, because if it is, it's not about women having rights over their own bodies, but whether they have rights over someone else's.
5) Yes, we are trying to ban same-sex marriage, because according to our values, it's wrong. Yep, that's right, it's wrong.
Honestly, I'm probably one of those that people would call an intolerant Christian. I am not, however a biggot, and I don't condone everything the religious right does, especially violence. I abhor violence, as I think it is against New Testament teachings. So while I do seek the end of every other religion (including atheism and self-worship), I don't seek to do so violently. Games like this are ridiculous.
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Reading your comments Andrew, and all I read is BIGGOT!!!
I think I've met maybe 2 people in my life who go to church regularly and call themselves Christian, who don't spout bigotry and show it in their actions. I've met more devout Muslims in my life who are less Bigotted than devout Christians.
And yet, I would consider myself Christian, yet I believe the Bible to be a ficticious document based on historical fact. But like the telephone game, it is filled with stories passed on by many generations of MEN before it was ever written down. Heck, the original Adam and Eve story could have been God trying to explain to Moses how he created Man and Woman in scientific terms, but it got all messed up, because Moses didn't have an iota of scientific thought processes, and it became what it was, and then even simplified even more after an eon of the telephone game.
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Sounds about right to me eh?
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Anyone who has tinkered with PC hardware...
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WAR IS PEACE
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
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Nothing wrong with Christians, just the video game
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Advertising isn't evil.
The act of "making christianity cool" is done by marketing teams for similar compaines that are trying to sell cd's, fictional books, video games, etc. This game wasn't released by the Church as a recruiting tool any more than the Da Vinci Code was.
Second, if you can lump all Christians into one category and label them you are probably the same type of person who thinks every Muslim carries an Ak-47 and that gravity is a Jewish plot to steal your pocket change.
Now, having said all that, I think it's time that the world woke up and realized that there is serious marketing potential in video games. Sending information back to a source about which ads you looked at and which you didn't lets companies make ads more effective and drives sales to a target audience. You can't buy feedback that effective in the real world, but in a virtual world you can track everything a player does. As long as they aren't giving out personal information or distracting from my game experience, I say let them do it.
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You're telling me all this is wrong?
Except for the canadians right?
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Snowcrash!
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they're trying to indoctrinate you
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LOL
Am I the only one who thinks that 'Spyware' is spelled 'Spyware', not 'Spywayre' ?
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worshipping the sun
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God Hates Christians......
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Re: God Hates Christians......
The Christian faith is NOT about "destroying everything you have and love untill you have nothing left and are forced to grovel at their feet for forgiveness." Obviously you have never done any kind of research into what ANY of the denominations of Christians (even the radical evangelicals) teach. And just because YOU have never seen a Christian doing good for the sake of doing good, doesn't mean it's not happening.
Also, Christians (at least all from any of the denominations I know of) don't even believe you can "earn" God's favor, so don't start spewing your narrow minded baloney ("[Christians doing good] is always to avoid smite, or stay on gods good side") until you know what the heck you're talking about!!!
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Well English major-
I'd rather be a philosopher disquieted, than a fool at peace.
Beliefs are primarily what are wrong with religion- because they can be wrong/false/argued.
Have an idea of what it is for you to be spiritual and understand that it could (and probably is) different for everyone else.
The second you assume that right and wrong have anything to do with spirtuality (or lack there of), you make yourself better in your own mind, and it is on the grounds of "superiority" and "righteousness" that people die for peace.
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really christians?
maybe they're just contracted by the authors/editors of the book to make and distribute the game and the authors/editors don't really know that there's spyware attached. i guess they would still be responsible for being foolish anyway.
also, i didn't see anything in the original article that stated what exactly is being sent back to the advertiser (or wherever it's being sent). can you say yellow journalism?
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This I agree with.
2) Trying to ban books in schools and libraries? Could you site some sources?
Don't know about that,but I do know the agenda is to ditch the teachings of Darwin and use IE.(And i don't mean Internet Explorer.)
3) Compared with the danger, it looked like the only fool-proof option to me.
Resisting that powerful sex drive won't work for most people though.
4) The debate of abortion isn't about whether women have rights over their bodies,
Sure it is...And your saying the unborn is more important than the mother..So the woman can be raped,forced into incest,or whatever and she still has to birth the child even if she does not want to and even if it endangers her life...And even if the child has birth defects and she can't/won't care for it.
And what happens to that child? Will it be abused,dumped into foster care etc.
I don't see Christians lining up to adopt all the unwanted children birthed in this world.
BTW, I saw on the news the crime rate in the USA is now as low as it was in the 1930's. The reason is that abortion has been legal and unwanted children were not born and having to grow up in abusive homes and becoming criminals.
but whether an unborn baby is a human, because if it is, it's not about women having rights over their own bodies, but whether they have rights over someone else's.
And by the same token,does an unwanted fetus have the right to use a female's body to it's own ends?
You odviously have an XY chromosome set,don't you.
5) Yes, we are trying to ban same-sex marriage, because according to our values, it's wrong. Yep, that's right, it's wrong.
So you try to force your values on everyone else which is wrong.
That's right, that's wrong. You do not have the right to dictate what adults do with theirt lives. If gays want to marry, I say go for it.
Way back when it was just as wrong for people to marry people of other races...This whole flap on gay marriages is based on bigotry.
And if gayness is so wrong,why does it occur across species?
Yup,birds,mammals, lizards all have same sex relationships.
if God didn't want gays here (if there is a God)they simply would not be here...It's the homophobes who fear, loathe gay marrages.
Honestly, I'm probably one of those that people would call an intolerant Christian. I am not,
You sure sound like it to me.
Ummm, lets see,gays can't have the same rights hetros' have.
Women can't decide when/if they will have children and how many they will have cause YOU will outlaw abortion.
however a bigot, and I don't condone everything the religious right does, especially violence. I abhor violence,
As do most people, but in the name of religion, as we all know, nasty things have been done to humans like witch burning,etc.And nasty things still go on in the name of religions.
I truely believe if Christians got control of this country,non-Christians would be killed, and all gays and bi folks would be killed..And woman who abort a child, regardless of the reason,they would be killed as well...And Dr's who helped the women abort would be killed also.
Do I want to live in a world like that?
Nope, sure don't.
So while I do seek the end of every other religion (including atheism
And there is the problem, everyone has to be a Christian, just like you.Humm,there are some people across the pond who blew up the WTC who feel EXACTLY the same way...Everyone must believe as THEY do. Do you see something wrong with this picture? I sure do.
Atheism is not a religion. You are not an atheist to Christianity but you are to all other religions.
Not everyone WANTS to believe what you do,other people just don't see the world the way you do and these people will never see the world the way you do and nothing you say or do will change them...Ever.
Games like this are ridiculous.
I agree with you there...
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"2). Don't know about that,but I do know the agenda is to ditch the teachings of Darwin and use IE.(And i don't mean Internet Explorer.) "
I'm pretty sure the "agenda" is not to ditch Darwinism, but teach intelligent design alongside it, as an alternate theory. Whether ID has merit as a scientific theory is another story. (and pardon the ignorace, but what's IE?)
"3). Resisting that powerful sex drive won't work for most people though."
That's pretty much many people hate christianity's view on the issue of pre-marital sex. I think abstinence before marriage is honorable, especially since it takes such a huge degree self-control and determination - a degree which most people, including myself, can't reach.
4). "And your saying the unborn is more important than the mother..So the woman can be raped,forced into incest,or whatever and she still has to birth the child even if she does not want to and even if it endangers her life."
Thats not what was said. Let me carify what some people who are pro-life (like me) believe. The debate is whether a fetus is a human, because if it is, it changes things. No one's saying that a fetus is MORE important than the mother, rather, if it is human, it is just as important. Rape and incest are tragic, but if a fetus is human, then you're justifying murder with rape/incest. In no circumstances should a woman be forced to have a child if she could lose her life. I think its a heroic and noble thing - giving your life up for another's - but NO ONE has the right to force you to be such a hero.
"And what happens to that child? Will it be abused,dumped into foster care etc. I don't see Christians lining up to adopt all the unwanted children birthed in this world. "
So correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like what you're saying is that you care so much for the quality of life for this child that you're willing to kill it before it really has a chance to live. Is no life better than a (possible) bad childhood?
"BTW, I saw on the news the crime rate in the USA is now as low as it was in the 1930's. The reason is that abortion has been legal and unwanted children were not born and having to grow up in abusive homes and becoming criminals."
I read about this too (Freakonomics). I think its wise to understand that this is just a theory of why the crime-rate went down, and even if it is true (I think it probably did have some a effect), its very narrow minded to say this was "The Reason" - rather, it may have played a role amid other causes, but to claim that abortion was the sole reason that the crime-rate went down is foolish. But still, even if it is, what about all the babies who weren't going to be crimminals when they got older? Because of the crime rate, would it be okay to go to every minority's home and kill their children? (since you're a rational human being, I figure you'd agree, of course not).
"And by the same token, does an unwanted fetus have the right to use a female's body to it's own ends?"
Does the female have the right to be sexually
promiscuous when she knows she may get pregnant? After all, if you had the sex, you should be prepared to face the possible consequences. There is no birth control which is perfect, so you know that pregnancy is a possible outcome. (Again, rape, incest are a different story, but in America, abortions because of rape/incest/endangerment of the mother account for less than 2% of all abortions - so for 98% of people having abortions, these tragic issues don't even factor in). So for 98%, no one force them to make that baby, and their life is not threatened by the child's existance. The baby didn't ask to be created - you created it, but that doesn't mean you have the right to destroy it.
"I truely believe if Christians got control of this country,non-Christians would be killed, and all gays and bi folks would be killed..And woman who abort a child, regardless of the reason,they would be killed as well...And Dr's who helped the women abort would be killed also. "
And I truly feel sorry for you. What would you think if I said "If atheists got control of this country, all christian's would be killed, most babies would be killed because its mother woke up feeling grouchy, no one would think life was precious, and if anyone believed in something that couldn't be proven, they'd be killed as well..." Do I sound completely ridiculous yet?
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Me too...
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"2). Don't know about that,but I do know the agenda is to ditch the teachings of Darwin and use IE.(And i don't mean Internet Explorer.) "
I'm pretty sure the "agenda" is not to ditch Darwinism, but teach intelligent design alongside it, as an alternate theory. Whether ID has merit as a scientific theory is another story. (and pardon the ignorace, but what's IE?)
"3). Resisting that powerful sex drive won't work for most people though."
That's pretty much many people hate christianity's view on the issue of pre-marital sex. I think abstinence before marriage is honorable, especially since it takes such a huge degree self-control and determination - a degree which most people, including myself, can't reach.
4). "And your saying the unborn is more important than the mother..So the woman can be raped,forced into incest,or whatever and she still has to birth the child even if she does not want to and even if it endangers her life."
Thats not what was said. Let me carify what some people who are pro-life (like me) believe. The debate is whether a fetus is a human, because if it is, it changes things. No one's saying that a fetus is MORE important than the mother, rather, if it is human, it is just as important. Rape and incest are tragic, but if a fetus is human, then you're justifying murder with rape/incest. In no circumstances should a woman be forced to have a child if she could lose her life. I think its a heroic and noble thing - giving your life up for another's - but NO ONE has the right to force you to be such a hero.
"And what happens to that child? Will it be abused,dumped into foster care etc. I don't see Christians lining up to adopt all the unwanted children birthed in this world. "
So correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like what you're saying is that you care so much for the quality of life for this child that you're willing to kill it before it really has a chance to live. Is no life better than a (possible) bad childhood?
"BTW, I saw on the news the crime rate in the USA is now as low as it was in the 1930's. The reason is that abortion has been legal and unwanted children were not born and having to grow up in abusive homes and becoming criminals."
I read about this too (Freakonomics). I think its wise to understand that this is just a theory of why the crime-rate went down, and even if it is true (I think it probably did have some a effect), its very narrow minded to say this was "The Reason" - rather, it may have played a role amid other causes, but to claim that abortion was the sole reason that the crime-rate went down is foolish. But still, even if it is, what about all the babies who weren't going to be crimminals when they got older? Because of the crime rate, would it be okay to go to every minority's home and kill their children? (since you're a rational human being, I figure you'd agree, of course not).
"And by the same token, does an unwanted fetus have the right to use a female's body to it's own ends?"
Does the female have the right to be sexually
promiscuous when she knows she may get pregnant? After all, if you had the sex, you should be prepared to face the possible consequences. There is no birth control which is perfect, so you know that pregnancy is a possible outcome. (Again, rape, incest are a different story, but in America, abortions because of rape/incest/endangerment of the mother account for less than 2% of all abortions - so for 98% of people having abortions, these tragic issues don't even factor in). So for 98%, no one force them to make that baby, and their life is not threatened by the child's existance. The baby didn't ask to be created - you created it, but that doesn't mean you have the right to destroy it.
"I truely believe if Christians got control of this country,non-Christians would be killed, and all gays and bi folks would be killed..And woman who abort a child, regardless of the reason,they would be killed as well...And Dr's who helped the women abort would be killed also. "
And I truly feel sorry for you. What would you think if I said "If atheists got control of this country, all christian's would be killed, most babies would be killed because its mother woke up feeling grouchy, no one would think life was precious, and if anyone believed in something that couldn't be proven, they'd be killed as well..." Do I sound completely ridiculous yet?
" 'Games like this are ridiculous. '
-I agree with you there..."
Me too...
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Can't you pro-abortion people ever come up with a new arguement? There are always exceptions to every rule. Less than 1% of all abortions come from a rape or incest victim. What is the excuse for the other 99%? Abortion CAN NOT be argued in court as a womans right. There is no one saying that women should not have a right over their body. The arguement is ONLY wether or not there is a living being in their body.
If you woud like to argue the abortion topic, start coming out with facts that prove that the fetus is not alive, otherwise you are arguing apples vs oranges.
And by the same token,does an unwanted fetus have the right to use a female's body to it's own ends? You odviously have an XY chromosome set,don't you.
Assuming the fetus is part of the 99%, the woman had the choice and did not take it. it is not the fault of the fetus. Does a conjoined twin have the right to kill their sibling because it is using their body??? What is the difference? Again, you can not argue womens rights. The only question is wether or not a fetus is alive.
So you try to force your values on everyone else which is wrong. That's right, that's wrong. You do not have the right to dictate what adults do with theirt lives. If gays want to marry, I say go for it.
So by this thought process the government does not have the right to tell you that lying is wrong, murder is wrong, rape is wrong, driving over the speed limit is wrong???
There must be a set of rules for everyone to live by whether you believe that gay marrage is right or wrong. I am no homophobe but I do not believe that gay marriage should be recognized by the government as a legal marriage.
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God did not created mankind.
Mankind created god.
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Do you know how retarded that post made you look?
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Wasn't there something about spyware?
Spying on people for profit is wrong in anybodys book. I'm sure the bible has some verse on this sickness of the mind.
Of course hypocrisy isn't the preserve of those of a religious persuasion. You'd just think they'd behave better right?
Technically I'm a Christian, being baptised and all. But these people make me ashamed. I think the Romans had it, bring back the lions I say.
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Here's a dose of logic
1) At least we agree on something
2) I don't think any prominent or consequential group is trying to "ditch" Darwin, only to get Intelligent design taught alongside neo-Darwinism. And when the "evidence" for an 4 billion year old earth, and genetic mutations causing the millions of species from a single amoeba is specious at best, I think it would be a great )time to introduce the evidence for a earth that is less than 10,000 years old, and the fact that mutations cannot add another viable and novel trait to a species.
3) A powerful sex drive can be controlled, people do it all the time (no ironic pun intended.) Besides, I think it is the not within the school's jurisdiction to teach children about sexuality, it is the parents responsibility to impart to their children the dangers of unprotected sex and sexual behavior in general.
4) Ahh, the great abortion issue, how many times do we have to be reminded that all the time abortions are for those who have been raped, and that if she bore the baby, it would endanger her health, and kill her, and that she doesn't want this baby and doesn't care all at the same time.
Even though that child was a product of rape or incest, it does not remove the legitimacy of the personhood of that embryo/zygote. Obviously, we could argue this forever, but we are arguing from different perspectives. I assume (and can defensibly argue) my belief that life (and personhood) begins at conception. You would probably argue that life (and personhood) begins at birth.
Our low crime rate may be apart of the fact that we are killing future criminals, but does that justify murder. You have to see things from the other perspective if you want to debate a prolife person effectively, and more importantly, rationally. I support the death penalty after somebody commits a deserving crime, you support it for those who are innocent.
And just because children are unwanted/won't be adopted, does that mean that their lives are meaningless, and that they should be killed. What do you suggest for the children (that apparently) are unwanted and are out of the womb, do we kill them, do we invoke some time of post-natal retroactive abortion "woman's rights" principle?
I like how you relegate a human being to a simple parasite, I guess we're all parasites, even when we do come out of the womb. Children who are out of the womb still leech on their parents, and some parents even have to pay alimony, *AGAINST THEIR WILL* to help support the child. Oh the humanity! (pun intended)
5) You said, "So you try to force your values on everyone else which is wrong."
But don't laws do that, force a set of values on everyone else, that is why the only "legal" form of government is anarchy. Why can't we extend your logic this way?
Yes, Christians want to create a theocracy, with the Zionists so we can control the world. Shhh, don't tell anyone about our conspiracy, you'll blow our cover. Christians can't control themselves, they just want to kill all gays (instead of converting them) and want to kill anyone who disagrees with them.
How did you know that right after church I go out and bomb abortion clinics, it must have become such a common occurrence that the right wing controlled media doesn't really report anymore.
Christians aren't saying that their is only one path to God, the Bible is saying that. Yes, and Christians are just like fanatical fundamentalist Muslims, running airplanes into towers, and shouting "Allah Akbar" before disemboweling the infidels.
Of course unbelievers, the secular world doesn't want to follow Christ, Jesus said that the world will hate Christians, and that we are saved by God, not by ourselves "forging" a path to God, God saves us when we accept him. Sadly some Christians don't get the fact that it is not the Christian who ultimately saves the person, it is God.
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Re: Here's a dose of logic
BTW...sorry for the double post everyone...my bad
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Last Word??
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Fuck you all
Jesus was jewish... for christ sake.
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Re: F*** you all
The fish came from when Christians were being killed for being Christian (yes, it happened). A person would draw half of the fish symbol in the sand, if the other person was Christian, they would draw the other half and then they could talk about Christianity. It was simple and easy to remember and reproduce, and the idea no-doubt came from the fact that Jesus promised to make his disciples "fishers of men."
So now you should understand that, and then about kosher. Jesus was a pretty radical guy. He didn't adhere very much to the Jewish traditions. He showed that you didn't have to follow all the rules to get into heaven.
I'm not saying that's what you should believe, I'm only saying that you should know what you're talking about before you talk about it.
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resistance is futile
if you wanna read more head on over to http://Bibletruths.com
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Hey Christians
If you are not offended by the business practices of Left Behind Games, then you are just as much of a hypocrite as they are and fully deserve the negative comments on this page.
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Re: Hey Christians
You mke a good point - take the beef to the people responsible - but there's no need for the heavy-handedness...
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