Amazon.com Gets In Trouble For Cockfighting?
from the going-after-the-wrong-party dept
Days after YouTube is mistakenly blamed for the copyright infringement of others, now comes the news that Amazon.com is about to be sued for offering cockfighting magazines (no seriously). Yes, the Humane Society claims that Amazon is breaking the Animal Welfare Act, which "prohibits the use of the U.S. mail for the purpose of promoting or furthering animal fighting activities." Of course, again, we should ask if Amazon.com is really the proper target. Yes, they do offer these magazines (I checked and am now somewhat worried about what Amazon's recommendation engine is going to start popping up for me...), but similar to YouTube, they're really just the platform. It appears that the magazine subscriptions are provided through a third party (Magazine Express) that simply uses Amazon as their storefront to offer various magazine subscriptions. Shouldn't the Humane Society target the publishers of these magazines rather than Amazon? In the meantime, Amazon has responded, claiming that customers should be able to determine on their own what's appropriate to purchase.Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.
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Should Amazon Sell Kiddie Porn?
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Re: Should Amazon Sell Kiddie Porn?
Second, shouldn't the blame fall on the publisher of the content, not the platform that sells it?
You say "morality of their content," but that's the point: it's not their content.
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Re: Should Amazon Sell Kiddie Porn?
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Not every country on earth is so perverted they see "porn" in every nude image.
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Re: Should Amazon Sell Kiddie Porn?
Granted, the cover is suggestive...and the publisher is taking a lot of heat for it in Japan. But it's not "kiddy porn", and it's not "a 12 year old girl being forced to take off her clothes." Damn sensationalist.
You probably had to search a LOT to find this "example", which seems to suggest that amazon does NOT deal in child pornography.
I'll leave you to your cockfighting.
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Re: Re: Should Amazon Sell Kiddie Porn?
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Here is another example of a 13-year-old girl. Do you deny this is pornography also?
You probably had to search a LOT to find this "example", which seems to suggest that amazon does NOT deal in child pornography.
No, it's very easy to find on amazon if you type in "12 years old". I found out about because people were talking about it on Japanese news forums.
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http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/4778100948/250-4359562-0905865?v=glance&n=465392
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Re: Re: Re: Should Amazon Sell Kiddie Porn?
You are ignoring cultural context too. I bet there are plenty of things in American culture that people in other countries (like Japan) would misunderstand and be offended by...
"OMG! Amazon is selling books about how great it was when Hiroshima was bombed!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345361350/sr=8-13/qid=1153329941/ref=sr_1_13/103-0879579- 8656663?ie=UTF8 "
And you neglect language differences trying to get us to make wild assumptions based on the cover of a book or a few translated words.
"Amazon is marketing books on how to make and use atom bombs!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0737714131/sr=8-3/qid=1153330301/103-0879579-8656663?redire ct=true "
Maybe it's time for you to get away from the internet and into some therapy?
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I wonder how you found that link :/, had you found it through a new source an article link would've been much better... and help me sleep at night :P
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Kiddie Porn vs cock fighting
by Anonymous Coward on Jul 19th, 2006 @ 3:57am
I am now suing Techdirt for the link that a user published through the comment system that pointed to immoral content. >.>
I wonder how you found that link :/, had you found it through a new source an article link would've been much better... and help me sleep at night :P
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Re: Kiddie Porn vs cock fighting
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However, when it’s morally questionable material for example, There are some that may be offended by books that claim the earth was not created in seven days, on the assumption that these books will alter their religious beliefs. Or for example, a book that urges people to commit suicide. While these could be considered morally questionable. Amazon is correct in saying that its up to the person buying the book as to whether they take an interest in it or not.
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shut up. if you go to a flea market and some guy is selling bootleg dvds alongside legit dvds, is the flea market responsible for this guy? no, because he signed up saying he's legal. the magazine firm doesn't deal in exclusively cockfighting mags. people like you lobby for unreasonable burdens on companies to monitor absolutely everything "for the children."
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Found on the Macintouch (www.macintouch.com) list
A recent(when this was posted) NewsForge posting describes a Microsoft software piracy
conviction in France, ironic in view of Microsoft's vehement
anti-piracy stance:
"Did you know Microsoft was convicted of software piracy last year by
a French court? Not many people do. The Commercial Court of Nanterre
fined Microsoft 3 million francs because it illegally included
another company's proprietary source code in SoftImage 3D, a
top-of-the-line animation package.
The only authoritative report on the event was written by Lionel
Berthomier and first published in the French paper, Le Monde
Informatique. An English version was reprinted at PCWorldMalta on
November 28, 2001 -- about two months after the court's decision.
Both Le Monde Informatique and PCWorldMalta are affiliated with IDG,
the parent of InfoWorld and LinuxWorld. Yet, neither of these sites
published a word about Microsoft's conviction on September 27, 2001."
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Why not just ship with
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once again
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Wow
What else are these people subscribing to? BearBaiting Today, The Ratter Weekly.
Sorry, just suprised me was all.
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Re: Wow
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$10 ...
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How is cockfighting inhumane?
I am not into that sort of thing, but I say if two men want to fight that way let them.
They have boxing magazines. Wrestling magazines, so why not cockfighting magazines. However, showing two men cockfighting I would think those magazines would be behind the counter.
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Re: How is cockfighting inhumane?
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Re: How is cockfighting inhumane?
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WTF
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Are you sure it's porn?
It seems that it's not really porn, just really young teenagers in swimsuits, just like the freaks in the United States do.
Oh, and isn't USPS its own entity now instead of a government agency?
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MILLIONS of chickens in america are in 1x1' Boxes, nailed to the floor, and are fed to what you'd consider morbid obesity. If a few of these animals, yes I know, it's a rooster, not a chicken, but if a few of these animals get the chance to fight for their lives rather than never having a chance, what's so wrong about that? Go after Perdue, Tyson, Shit go after the Colonel.
My real suggestion, Jump off a bridge.
Cock Fighting? Sounds like something my Uncle Travis and Beeboo do on a friday night.
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Cockfighting is the most inhumane thing I have eve
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Re: Cockfighting is the most inhumane thing I have
General coment directed at everyone- please answer this since when are we appliying 'human' termens to food? why is it 'inhumane' to watch animal fights? how diferrent is that from boxing? there are rules in both to protect the fighters from death, but it still happens, so it happenes more often in cock fights, wow now tha is inhumane.
If this rant ofended you, good, get a life.
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And I don't think they are saying animals are human, just that taking pleasure from animal cruelty is inhuman.
As for Amazon, they shouldn't be held responsible for "immoral" content as long as it is not illegal.
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You can't be serious! Ok...I'll give you some leeway considering you grew up in a country where it is legal and perhaps a cultural activity...so perhaps you have been imprinted. But seriously - ignorance cannot excuse you for long!
If it is so similar to boxing (first we must assume that the birds give consent)...then why aren't we tying blades to the gloves of De la Hoya and Mayorga?
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Re: Cockfighting is the most inhumane thing I have
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Amazon's supposed child pornography
"As for the photograph of the cover, the just a little child pornographic [tsu] [po] it is and is but (you have not seen but) content, that much without being radical, the shank.
Simply, [egu] it is in the swimming wear photograph and the like of part and there is also a photograph which is taken with angle, but.
Because of that, the person who shows the rejection symptom it is many in the person and the woman who purely like the actress forming sea child probably will be.
Basically, the beauty of beauty girl actress of 12 years old was expressed, it is to be normal photograph collection but…."
So while basing a book on its cover is normal, in this case it is misleading.
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How is cockfighting inhumane?
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Isn't Another Way to Say
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Re: BobbieJo
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Simple
On the concept of cockfighting, your brain will not explode by having 2 ideas in it with differring views -- i don't want to see cockfighting, and don't want to subscribe to the magazines, but if someone else does -- thats fine. Wow my brain is still intact, let me try the next one. I don't aprove with these "sports" cockfighting, dog fighting, but I don't want the government or the court system to step in and stop it -- damn I said that and I'm still alive. Wow, I must be odd or something 'cause now days if you are capable of having 2 apposing thoughts in your head -- like I'm against the war, but support the troops -- you're treated as an alien.
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Could Amazon list body parts to be sold, and since they don't actually sell the product (just take a small cut) thats ok?
Slippery slope? I think not.
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But even if it were illegal...let's think about Amazon's role in this. Imagine a bunch of people offered you money to set up little booths on your property to sell items. You get part of the profit, and they promise you they're only selling legit stuff. But it turns out someone is actually selling crack cocaine. Do you think YOU should get sued because of this? Would YOU somehow be a "drug dealer" because some scumbag tricked you into letting him sell his drugs on your property?
Tens of thousands of people sell stuff through Amazon's storefront. Every one of them has to agree to the TOS. How is it Amazon's fault if some creep turns out to be lying?
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Amazon (or maybe Ebay) got into trouble for listing Nazi items, and the companies had no problem removing that content, even though in the US the sale of those items is not against the law. How is this different?
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Now, if Amazon is alerted to the problem and doesn't do anything about it, THEN they have some responsibility. But dude...how are they supposed to magically know when a few people out of TENS OF THOUSANDS are lying to them??
You should check up on the Nazi-Ebay thing:
http://www.internetnews.com/ec-news/article.php/4_758221
If something violates the law or site policy, companies like Amazon and Ebay do something about it WHEN THEY FIND OUT ABOUT IT. But if it's just something that YOU find offensive, they don't have to do anything about it... I guess free speech is great until someone says something you don't like.
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It has nothing to do with free speech you arrogant ahole, it has to do with following the law. I could care less about animal rights (although if you are into abusing animals, there is something wrong with you) but people and companies still have to follow the law.
I am so sick of internet assholes that think that technology should be an excuse to not follow the same rules as others.
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Amazon.com peddling Cockfighting Magazines
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Well...
Correct your society's problems first before coming after ours! :D
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