Things To Be Careful About At College: Drugs, Alcohol, Debt, Sex... Social Networking?
from the warnings dept
It really does seem like social networking is becoming to adults today what rock music was to a generation or so ago. Beyond Congress trying to ban any such site in schools that receive federal money, college orientations are now including sections on how to social network responsibly online. Yes, it fits right in with the topics on drugs, alcohol, sex and debt. Sure, it's important that people learn to be responsible in how they use social networks, but shouldn't kids have learned how to act safely online (social networks or elsewhere) well before they head off to college?Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.
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YES!!!!!!
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The Dumbass Generation
Could the older generation be making up for mistakes they made? Do they really know how to run America? I tend to think not, but that could be the teenager speaking out in me.
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Re: The Dumbass Generation
And a huge problem with the 'education' of these networking sites and the like is that there IS NO education. Instead of trying to teach us to be careful, they just say "Don't give out personal information" and block the sites. Like thats going to solve anything. Alot more teens are computer savvy than alot more adults, so we find ways to get around the blocks.. trust me.. I've done it myself. And when people say "Don't give out personal information", then how are you supposed to network? Instead of giving a general "don't tell them about you", parents and other adults should be explaining safe ways of releasing safe information.
Maybe they're making up for their own mistakes. I wouldn't doubt it. But the fact of the matter is that people DO have to learn their own lessons, in most cases, either that, or learn lessons from people that they can see, something that appears to have a REAL outcome, instead of just hearing old stories, or the like.
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Now, it SEEMS like there are more teenage idiots (my generation) nowadays, because they are all over the internet.
I don't know. Maybe most of my generation are idiots.
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Brilliant!
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think about it...
And FYI, the mistakes we are trying to avoid are very often the ones that made us parents.
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Re: think about it...
What, you mean the avoiding a kid being targeted by a predator? Guess what, its happened before computers came out. And in that case, parents ARE making the mistakes, because it appears to me that they aren't being so successful at avoiding those predators. Educate, not ban or block. Education is the key, yet I don't hear or see much education of this topic happening.
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Re: The Dumbass Generation
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missed something
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Re: missed something
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Missing an Important Detail
I honestly don't know of one person that "met on MySpace" and began a friendship. Look at 90% of the profiles and you'll see there's a core group of 5-20 people that continuously interact back and forth... usually talking to each other about things that would have happened whether or not MySpace ever existed. More than half of the communication is "Best Friends For Life" comments on each other's retarded pictures, or comments about last nights big party.
I'm not saying go ahead and put your SSN and your home phone number and address anywhere online, but I'm just not so clear as to how prevalent the threat is... Maybe I'm missing something.
I think that alot of the threat hype is made by people who have no first hand experience of the system - they're simply poorely informed about the system's POSSIBLE use and fueled by mass media hysterics.
Just my .02...
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naive people
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Re: naive people
If the women weren't naive, William, then how would you ever get dates?
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Educate the people
One can give out information at any time. How much information and how personal the information should be is usually decided by someone. Judgment calls -- we learn them in time.
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Networking is essential to life.
The difference is people can't afford the daycare that can teach those values to kids as they bulldoze the churches for less than pennies to build highways....
I mean you have to realize that our society is in a serious decline and has been for a long time. It's designed to make the rich richer. The poor poorer and also to bring about inevitable things so much faster than needed just to make sheer profits.
The world is a sick place to live in sometimes you learn to laugh. I relate to House's version of it basically you have to have something to humor you.
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Re: Networking is essential to life.
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And how is it our's fault that people are getting hurt by their own stupidity? Why take it out on us?
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I concur. We will send a courier to retrieve yours tomorrow.
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I've known at least two people with IQs in the 130 range that had no common sense whatsoever. (One of them was my class's valedictorian.)
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Re: Dumb people and Computers
People with IQs below 130 shouldn't be allowed to use computers. Do you know how stupid the average person is?
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Re: Re: Dumb people and Computers
We're screwed.
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Its College
On another note, why should we accept congress passing laws to enforce codes and regulations about what a school allows their students to do simply because they give them money.
I don't agree with the law and I don't think it will accomplish what it intends but I don't disagree with the concept. Lets teach tools in school, not how to play with toys.
As for raising awareness. It hasn't worked for teen pregnancy or drug use but hey might as well give it a go. It can't hurt anything.
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Re: Its College
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teens are dumb
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People are so stupid!!!
People also should know how to act responsibally online way before college, the law that limits people getting accounts with most online stuff is 13.
Just get over social networking, especially for your pets, THERE ARE SOCIAL NETWORKING SITES FOR PETS!!!!
Now lets all just go and meet some new people by hanging at your local coffeeshop or bookstore.
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Re: People are so stupid!!!
I thought that on the Internet, no one knows you're a dog.
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Re: People are so stupid!!!
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what you need to know...
think its stupid? so do i
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another note...
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Mike Mike Mike...
you made your own point-counterpoint. yes, people should learn how to act safely online well before they head off to college. they should also learn financial responsibility as well as have a clue when it comes to drugs, alcohol, and sex. but they don't, which is why they have this education. if parents would raise their kids worth a shit these kinds of things wouldn't be as big of an issue.
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Like discojohnson said "If parents would raise their kids worth a shit these kinds of things wouldn't be as big of an issue."
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Parent and EDUCATE your Children
Teaching your children causality (Every action has consequences, and the more inexperienced you are, the more unforeseen the consequences become)
I don't think that any generation is smarter or dumber than others. They are all equally stupid, but I digress...
The ones that show some ability to learn from their mistakes will eventually rise and the ignorant others provide the fuel for humanities dilemas and failings. If you can't deal with it, you'd probably better 'off' yourself now, b/c it is highly unlikely to ever change.
This is evolution's catch 22, I guess. The 'not so bright' ones are there to try the stuff that the 'enlightened' ones are positive won't ever be successfull, and therefore never try. Occasionally one is successfull at their seemingly doomed endeavor. Idiots seem to be nature's 'Random Action' function...
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Thanks Republicans, you god damned asstards, for making us all dumber.
What they need to tell the college kids about with regards to Social Networking is the capacity for making Career Limiting Moves public and easily accessable through search engines, not something that a teenager would normally worry about, but that you need to think about when you enter college.
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Learn how to spell
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I don't know...
Are kids, say 16-21 years old, just more rude and self-serving? I see it more and more. I surf and I see it in the water, I see it in traffic, and I see it in work and school.
They really don't take the time to think of others or even common manners or courtesy.
I can't remember where I learned respect and manners, it wasn't in school...maybe my parents...or experience.
In any case, yeah college is way too late for such lessons. This is something taught during development and over time is engrained within the person. It becomes a part of them.
Social networking skills wether elctronic or otherwise, by that age, should be intrinsic to the individual.
Maybe this is what happens when you get older. There is a feeling of dissonance between my values and those of that age group.
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Yet when she meets a man through a social networking site, if she's smart, she tends to converse with him for longer periods of time, via the Internet, trying to gauge whether he's a nut or not. Days or weeks of back and forth e-mails give her a chance to see if he says anything weird. She doesn't know if she's attracted to him yet since they've never met in person, so she has a lot less invested and can decide not to meet him if he writes anything that she considers to be a red flag. If she decides to meet him in person, she generally meets him in a public place, lets her friends know where she's going, and takes her own car the first few times.
I myself have had fewer troubles with guys I've initially met online than with guys I've initially met in person. When he's cute and charming the heck out of me, it's easy to ignore the red flags. When he's a stranger on the Internet, I pay very close attention to what he's writing to me.
So, I'm all for educating people.
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whiners
The issue here is the Fed subsidizing social networking which is F*ing nonsense, and since I've been paying taxes longer than any teenager alive, I say, "not with my money."
You'd like to think that growing up with computers gives you and edge, but an edge over what? Me? Eek, if you only knew. Here's an observation I've had over my extra years: I've seen plenty of teens come to adulthood; the whiners spend a decade in poverty blaming others while the smart ones learn to respect and exploit the knowledge of their peers, some of them getting rich in the process.
As for Education, you bitch that parents make mistakes, so it is their fault whenever a predator succeeds, but you fail to see that you resent the education you received at home. Education doesn't just happen in the classroom.
If the student thinks they know everything, like Alex, what's the point of education? If we preach "stay away from strangers" and you don't because you want to "learn it for yourself" then you get what is coming to you..
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While I dont disagree with much else you said, I disagree with that. I think campus internet access should not be censored in any way, shape, or form -- except reasonable things like banning a MAC address after it blows 500gb in 3 hours of bittorrent frenzy. Any less makes our universities as morally corrupt as Chinese or probably many muslim ones.
Regarding "your" tax money, dont forget the average college degree holder earns an extra million bucks over a life time, taxed at a higher than average rate.. Even with a large drop out rate, its safe to assume that colleges are by far astoundingly self sufficient in terms of what they give back from what they consume of federal dollars. Instead I suggest you whine about your tax dollars getting blown on social security and other socialistic BS budget-busters.
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Our education system is geared toward mediocrity. In the late 60's college professors saw the students they failed get shipped to Viet Nam and blown to peices, so they lowered the standards and saved lives, but never readjusted -- few A's today would have earned you a B back then.
It was Neitzche who said compulsory education for the masses would lower the standards -- and indeed, an A today wouldn't pass for a C 100 years ago.
Our universities are already morally corrupt. How many PhDs write pointless papers annually just to keep tenure? How many Frat-Jocks only show up for mid-terms and finals and still pass with good grades? How many more teachers will my kids have that did nothing but go from kindergarden to a bachelors degree to a classroom (worthless dolts)?
It's a business, and a poorly run one for that matter -- so yes, I bitch about taxes going to subsidize what should come from tuition.
I think college should be expensive, even at the state level. I think entrance exams should be painfull. I think my taxes should fund only the brightest of the poor.
I think genius gets lost in all the mediocrity. I suspect the extra million dollars you mention has little to do with the education, but the intelligent individual who earns it. Education does not make you intelligent, and where there is smoke, there is not neccesarily fire.
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Social networks are rediculous
http://www.techknowbizzle.com/2006/07/myspace-social-network-or-social.html
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I commend you #3 Alex
Wisdom from the mouths of teens.
Great stuff.
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The only thing
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well...
By regulating the internet because some idiot kid got molestered by an adult, is about as comparable as to making all motorcycles go no faster than 30 MPH because some idiot kid killed himself. Education is the key.. Correct me if Im wrong, but doesn't it seem like DUI's have fallen in the past 20 years? Not because our cars won't let us drive drunk, but because of education and enforcement.
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Interesting take #43. It's hard to say, yeah a few idiots generally ruin it for the rest.
It kinda reminds me of guns. Guns built this country, they provided protection, food, and sport.
Now, guns are considered taboo. All because a small group of people made a big fuss and blamed guns for the deaths of certain individuals. No one is addressing the real issue here which is that death occurs from an immeasurable number of items (i.e. hammers, stairs, cars, etc.) yet why concentrate on just guns? People who don't enjoy firearms don't understand them and tend to fear them and thus they make it the enemy.
But in reality, the gun is a tool, just like computers and the internet. Those who misunderstand or fail to appreciate their use/value tend to "evilize" (I made that word up for all the English Language geniuses) them.
So these very same people end up creating negative hype based solely on ignorance. Often they are in a position of authority and tend to make matters even worse (internet tubes). This causes a chain reaction of idiocy whereby one idiot reacts with another person and a new idiot is created. If one were to follow the idiocy chain, the source usually is proven wrong or incorrect yet it's too late.
So much idiot energy is released that nothing and I mean nothing can stop it.
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