DVRs Still Not Killing TV, Just Making Ads Better
from the pause-rewind-play-pause dept
The rise of the digital video recorder was supposed to sound a death knell for the traditional broadcast TV business, and this time, it's the Washington Post checking in to remind us that good ol' TV is still chugging along. There's little doubt that the TV advertising model is in trouble, as advertisers shift their spending to online and other media. But this shift, really, has little to do with DVRs, and as the original article points out, DVRs offer broadcasters a chance to address many of the problems advertisers are raising with TV ads. The biggest issue is that advertisers can't easily track who's paying attention, just rough numbers of who might have seen their ad. But the DVR allows them to introduce new types of ads and services that mimic online ads and better engage viewers than traditional spots -- one element that can help explain why DVR users remember the ads they don't skip as well as or better than non-DVR viewers. While DVRs may be causing a drop in TV ad rates, their real effect is to make the TV ad market more efficient and effective by making broadcasters and advertisers realize that their typical fare needs an overhaul to make it more compelling, and in turn more watched and more effective. So in this sense, the DVR isn't killing the TV ad industry -- it's really helping improve it.![Hide This Hide this](https://ii.techdirt.com/s/t/i/topclose.png)
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Moot Point
The TV advertising model has ceased to be relevant for those consumers who are paying for their content already (Cable, Satellite, etc.).
Why should consumers be forced to sit through advertising to view PAID content?
"DVR isn't killing the TV ad industry"
True - it's forcing it to evolve.
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It would be, but you see, you ARE being forced to sit through said advertising.
And the article is saying the preemtptively evolved when someone (themselves) cried wolf. Not that they had a valid reason to do so.
Back to your point, the advertising is there because there is money that needs to be made. You think you are "paying for it already" but the truth is that you are not. Wehn you pay your cable bill, you are (sadly) only paying for the access to the content. You pay FOR the content by your eyeballs gracing the commercials. (same thing with websites)
If everyone used firefox with adblock and noscript, there would be no internet, as noone would be willing to pay each and every individual site for access to it. Nor do we want the sites to micro-charge our isp's, and our isp's to macro charge us.
The only thing different between the cable-tv world and the cable-internet worlds is the number of middlemen. In the tv-content world, that number is fixed.
The copyright holder licenses the content to a network, the network licenses rebroadcast rights to the cable companies, and the cable companies decide which channels to give you in which bag.
In the "on-demand" model, you get to cut out a middleman. But that model has yet to prove anything other than a pipedream. Noone seems to care about on-demand TV. (Except sports...)
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And just who would be paying for it and how would the transactions be conducted?
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Time for a real-world example
If I were NOT paying to view the content (i.e., "rabbit-ears"), the TV execs might have some kind of moral high ground. But this is not the case. I would rather pay TiVo $12.95 a month for the privilege of not having twenty minutes of every viewing hour wasted.
The advertising execs will not like this, but that's the way it is.
They can whine, complain, and moan.
They can disable commercial-skip.
They can turn up the volume during commercial breaks.
What they cannot do, however, is MAKE me watch advertising.
And there I rest my case.
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You want free, plug an antenna into your tv and watch what you get that way.
...I agree that ad evolution is good
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Er...
To quote Harold Ramis, "Print is dead"
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I've wondered
I record shows while I'm at work during the week. Well there are other things I want to see at night as well so I have to fast forward through the commercials to keep up with the shows. I pay a monthly bill to DirectTV for shows and movies not ads.
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Alienating your userbase by doing something prohibitive like that with no real benefit to the user is not going to win anything, let alone lower churn.
the average person watching tv is too lazy to skip the commercials. When they think to do it, thats fine, they will. BUT if they find they can't, then they will get upset, and any commercial played then will be instantly percieved in a negative light, thus making that advertising rather negative advertising. Do the advertisers really want to PAY for negative advertising?
HEY MPAA ARE YOU LISTENING?
I didn't dislike the MPAA 'til they totally screwed up on the dvd warnings thing. Now I hate them with a passion, and I get reminded just how much I hate them every time I put on blues clues or dora the explorer... I stopped buying movies for myself or my wife, they became too annoying.
Why does it take 5 minutes to get to the point where I can press play? What was to be gained by thoroughly pissing (my apologies for language) me off by blocking my ability to not view the ads and legal warnings? All it did was lose a customer.
(to all you pirates, No, I didn't replace my entertainment habits by stealing content... I just stopped consuming it. Its actually not that hard to do. Your use these issues to justify piracy makes you look like an idiot, not a champion.)
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tv advertising is getting better?
i never saw "minority report" because of the millions of ads i saw for it. i had to be dragged by my wife and her friends to see "the davinci code" even though i liked the book because of all the adverts and "controversy" surrounding the film release.
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Re: tv advertising is getting better?
Snakes on a Plane barely beat out that Ricky Bobby movie with Mike Ferrell by like $1mil. for the number one spot. Now if people are cosplaying, collecting figures, and still referencing this movie 15 years from now then maybe you can make the argument that it is a cult classic.
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As someone who did see the movie, I can tell you you're "interesting" logic allowed you to miss a truly original and fun movie.
Of course you can't create a cult classic. BTW, most of the hub-bub about SOAP was from the internet, not TV adverts. Their was an unprecendented number of fansites and "what-if" scripts floating out there that the advertising people and studio had nothing to do with.
Finally, most cult classics tend to bomb big time in their initial release (Rocky Horror Picture Show is an excellent example of this, until it was picked up as a "midnight matinee" it hardly made any money at all). Cult classics do not equal big box office just crazed fans.
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How is this different from print?
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If there are cheaper options, i will for sure switch. Its all about cost to us, the consumers. IPTV is coming; that will make local tvs stations make a 180 degree turn, or go out of business.
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Another thing you do get is that when I buy a magazine about guns, it is not full of ads for tampons. So the ads that I see, Im actually more inclined to be interested in. Alternately, in the wonderful world of TV, when I am watching the X Games or Monday Night Football, I am still bombarded with commercials for feminine itching and Pampers. Great job there.
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6 minutes of commercials per hour x 16 hours per day=96 commercials per day x 365 = 35,040 60 second commericals per year divided by 12 = 2,920 commercials per month.
$200,000 divided by 2920 = $68.49 per 60 second commercial. This is what it takes to keep your station on the air. Most commercials are 30's so divide that by half. $34.24 per 30 second commercial.
The average 30 second commercial goes for a minimum of $55 - so your bosses are making $20 per spot profit x 35040 = $700,800 profit per year. Before sponsorships, cross promotions, etc etc.
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Old medium, new approach
These slick shows require advertising to make enough money to produce their shows and afford to pay the people involved. (I'm not qualifying that they are getting paid fairly, just stating the fact)
As technology increases and our ability to filter out all the crap we don't want get better, the crap we don't want uses the same technology to make us get it. I've had DVR for about a year and I can't figure out how I lived without it, and yes I fast forward through commercials....but to be fair all you keyboard critics, I didn't buy it to skip commercials, I bought it to watch what I want when I want to....and not have a stack of DVDR's or VHS tapes that my wife would hate me for. So if they have to force me to watch the commercials well I won't like it, but lets be honest, it may be better then the alternative.
What's the alternative you say? Have you seen how abundant the "lower third" ads are getting on channels like USA and TBS? imagine if it wasn't pushing another show for 10 sec, but pushing a product the entire time? It's a Media Technology cold war, and it's not going away....It's time to choose America, do we build a better bomb or say enough is enough....
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KFC
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DVRs make no difference to me
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You actually pay for your mags LOL sucker !
No, no I don't. I get everything from CIO to BeverageWorld to Stuff. And I don't pay a dime for them. Least we forget they need to meet a number of subscribers or advt start pulling ads or asking for a price drop. So why pay for what they gladdly give for free?
Back to TV. HBO, Showtime, and the rest of the 'pay-pay-again' channels do not have commercials (expect of course promos for their own content.)
I seem to remember that they have award winning shows and they make good money.
So cable doesn't have an excuse except for giving me crap. Think about this: A program to let me pick my own content. Charge me $25 to 'have the privilege of cable' and then charge me between $5 and $20 for content channels. The cable companies can make money by having their own content channels. They can make money by charging content providers.
Best of all... it gets rid of the SHIT channels!
No really, who's going to pay for a religion channel asks you to call the channel to make a pledge... anyone?
Read this for more info on how hurt the cable companies aren't:
http://uspirg.org/uspirg.asp?id2=10531&id3=USPIRG
Lastly, I'm all for commercials on broadcast TV. I don't pay for that. They are free. So they need that avenue.
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For me, this is moot. Ditch TV altogether
I use Netflix for entertainment and NPR and the Internet for news. If I really want to go see a sports event, I'll go to a local sports bar to see the game -- it's a lot more fun that way!
It's amazing living without TV and TV adverts. When I go to the gym and watch TV while running on a treadmill I realize just how vapid and inane most of the content is. It's been two years now without TV and I just don't miss it. At the same time, the quality of the movies I'm watching has gotten so much better through Netflix and I'm much more informed about the world through NPR and the BBC than I ever could be with the evening news on Fox or CNN.
There's no looking back!
-James
Seattle, WA
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