School Freaked Out That Students Might Use Mobile Phones To View Porn

from the if-it-were-a-magazine? dept

Wed, Aug 23rd 2006 3:59am — Mike Masnick

If a kid came into school with a pornographic magazine and showed it to a few friends, it's likely that (assuming he was caught), the child would face some sort of well-deserved punishment for bringing inappropriate materials into school. It's pretty likely that such a scenario has happened for years. I have vague recollections of exactly that happening to a friend back when I was in school. It certainly didn't merit a big newspaper article about it happening. In fact, I can't even remember the details of when, who, where or how. However, throw in a bit of new technology, and suddenly "it's news!" It appears that a kid in Australia came into school with a mobile phone that contained a pornographic image. Inappropriate, certainly. Something that should be discussed with the child (and his parents), absolutely. But, is it really "a wake-up call" to the school that required a letter from the principal to the parents of 123 children warning them that their kids "may have come into contact" with a child holding a mobile phone with a tiny photo of a naked person? The article seems to focus so much on the technology as the issue, rather than the pornographic image -- which is the sort of thinking that leads people to overreact against the technology, rather than focus on the actual issue.

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dorpus, 23 Aug 2006 @ 4:38am

Destructive Potential
Yes, what if kids take pictures of other students in locker rooms, and spread it around the school? The destructive potential is great.

I avoided Starbucks this morning and got coffee at a gas station. It turned out to be across the street from a Catholic school, so there were schoolgirls in their uniforms there, obviously the bad apples. Imagine the blackmail potential it these bimbettes started taking pictures of weaker students.
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- Anonymous Coward, 23 Aug 2006 @ 4:52am
  
  Re: Destructive Potential
  lol, i love how you consider a student to be a "bad apple" if they are at a gas station! what rebels!
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  - Goeff, 23 Aug 2006 @ 7:42am
    
    Re: Re: Destructive Potential
    Consider that the comemnter said that the girls at the station were "obviously" the bad apples. Something in their appearance is more afactor of that consideration than WHERE they were. Did you ever get a sense of the virue of a person by nature of their appearance and demeanor. Sure, you'll say don't judge, most hypocrites do, but we can tell alot about individuals by how they behave when their parents are not around.
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    - Oliver Wendell Jones, 23 Aug 2006 @ 8:08am
      
      Re: Re: Re: Destructive Potential
      Consider that the commentor is Dorpus it's a safe bet that it's troll-bait...
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  - Goeff, 23 Aug 2006 @ 7:53am
    
    Re: Re: Destructive Potential
    Grammar corrected:
    Consider that the commenter said that the girls at the station were "obviously" the bad apples. Something in their appearance is more a factor of that consideration than WHERE they were. Did you ever get a sense of the virtue of a person by nature of their appearance and demeanor. Sure, you'll say don't judge, most hypocrites do, but we can tell a lot about individuals by how they behave when their parents are not around.
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- HotGarbage, 23 Aug 2006 @ 7:32am
  
  Re: Destructive Potential
  Congrats on avoiding 'fivebucks' this morning. it is a start. Keep it up...
  
  Um why are students who go to gas stations 'bad apples' and 'bimbettes'? Was this during school or before school starts? I know that growing up, I would occasionally go the the service station next to my school for a soft drink or something of the like. But then again I didn't wear a schoolgirl uniform till after the second divorce..
  (I was kidding on parts of that, I will leave it to you to decide which parts. Cheers)
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steve, 23 Aug 2006 @ 4:40am

i don't hold anything against the principal
The principle is just making sure his ass is covered. You won't believe the hell parents can raise. I really can't blame him.
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Gene, 23 Aug 2006 @ 4:41am

opinions
well-deserved punishment for bringing inappropriate materials into school.

keep your opinions to yourself please :) i wouldnt say Well deserved. kids will be kids
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- Todd, 23 Aug 2006 @ 7:37am
  
  Re: opinions
  Please read the full article before posting comments. The author was merely suggesting that if a child were caught sharing pornography at school, that there ought to be consequenses for that inappropriate behavior. It is a legal fact of our society that there are punishments for not obeying the law and children under the age of 18 in the USA are not legally permitted to purchase pronography. By association, those same individuals also should not be in posession of such materials, especially in public schools.
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  - Anonymous Coward, 23 Aug 2006 @ 9:01am
    
    Re: Re: opinions
    Todd, you are correct that you can't purchase pron if you're under 18. however, i don't believe the law stipulates you can't posess porn if you are under the age of 18. it's like cigarettes. if you're under 18, you can't buy them. however you can still smoke them, if you got ahold of them. however it is illegal to SUPPLY cigs to underagers, but....that's something different.
    
    like it's not illegal to get high. it is illegal to posess drugs and drug paraphnalia (my spelling is off, don't sue me)
    
    so, yeah....it's all a matter of context.
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Angry Rivethead, 23 Aug 2006 @ 4:41am

Oh no!
Ya know...when I was young I HATED getting assaulted by PORN! SAVE ME FROM PORN.

Bullshit.

I can not describe the amount of contempt I hold for the antiporn types, regardless of the reason...Everyone from leftwing femi-nazis to rightwing sheep afraid of thier own F-parts...to the sad sacks that think everything, including the fact that everyone's pet animals are essential naked is "sexual Harrassment".

These people need to just go F off somewhere all together. Lets terraform Mars so they have a place to go. I will gladly take a tax increase if thats the purpose.
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- Franssu, 23 Aug 2006 @ 8:46am
  
  Re: Oh no!
  Let's just send them to Venus. Venus is so much more fun with its acid thunderstorms and ammonia atmosphere. And forget terraformation. They survived the 20th century, they can survive Venus.
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  - DittoBox, 23 Aug 2006 @ 10:56am
    
    Re: Re: Oh no!
    They tried that in H2G2 (Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy...can't remember which book now). Some planet sent their useless ones to another planet far far away on a journey that would likely kill them.
    
    They lived.
    
    It turned out to be earth.
    
    Haha, best book ever.
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hometoast, 23 Aug 2006 @ 4:45am

oh no!
Is YOUR eigth grader using their CELL PHONE to send hurtful messages to other students? Learn about the warning signs, tonight, at 11.

Kid view porn: Problem. Kid views porn with cell phone: news.
Kid calls friend name: Problem. Kid calls friend name with cell: news.
Kid talks to strangers: problem. Kid talks to strangers online: pandemic.
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- dorpus, 23 Aug 2006 @ 4:48am
  
  Re: oh no!
  Asian cities are full of ads for cell phone services involving schoolgirls. The tolerance for such smut is a lot less in Western countries.
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Sorry, 23 Aug 2006 @ 5:13am

Wierd
You guys are Wierd!
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TriZz, 23 Aug 2006 @ 5:15am

...wait til they learn about video
It's only a matter of time before the video capable phones start showing pr0n at a local high school near you.

...shit, my buddies and I swap out mini SD cards all the time to exchange files.
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George Glass, 23 Aug 2006 @ 5:32am

No toleration
Let's get rid of nudity altogether - then we can stop making children, the true source of our problems.
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- Belligerent0001, 23 Aug 2006 @ 7:25am
  
  Re: No toleration
  Better yet lets outlaw kids....Think about it. No whining little brats at restaurants, no mothers yelling across a crowded stores at their rampaging hellspawn, no kids for child mollesters to mollest, no drain on the tax base to provide the little plague carriers with an education....its a win win.
  OR
  We could accept that fact that kids are curious about sexuality because it's ingrained in our DNA for purposes of procriating the species. Just because we have evolved in a manner in which we can supress our animalistic nature does not mean that we should ignore the fact that it is such.
  A mere 50 years ago my granmother married my grandfather at the age of 15 years old. In the majority of the world this is still common place. 50 years of repression can not overcome billions of years of evolution, it just ain't gonna happen.
  Perhaps, the vast majority of the social problems in the 'western world' would go away if over active puritian would mind their own friggan business.
  
  just a though
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  - Nick, 23 Aug 2006 @ 9:22am
    
    Re: Re: No toleration
    Finally, a modest proposal I can agree with.
    
    In the words of George Carlin 'F*** the children!'
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  - DittoBox, 23 Aug 2006 @ 11:00am
    
    Re: Re: No toleration
    We were asexual beings once. So I guess I'll split up now and clone myself.
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David Logan, 23 Aug 2006 @ 5:37am

Porn, cell phones, school.
Blame Bush!!
Im possitive in some way this is his fault, like everything else in the world today.... :-)
There is no need for kids to have cell phones in school anyway...we have survived many years up to this point without them...
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- Mike S., 23 Aug 2006 @ 5:54am
  
  Re: Porn, cell phones, school.
  Blame Bush!!
  
  Wait... I thought we had already determined that the problem was bush? How can bush be to blame for itself?
  
  Unless you meant George Bush?
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  - Anonymous Coward, 23 Aug 2006 @ 9:39am
    
    Re: Re: Porn, cell phones, school.
    LMFAO
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- JustMe, 23 Aug 2006 @ 9:19am
  
  Re: Porn, cell phones, school.
  >Blame Bush!!
  >Im possitive in some way this is his fault, like everything else in the world today....
  
  What a typically ignorant response from a brainwashed Dem. Always blaming something on someone.
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  - Anonymous Coward, 23 Aug 2006 @ 10:09am
    
    Re: Re: Porn, cell phones, school.
    actually i'm a brainwashed republican.
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  - David Logan, 23 Aug 2006 @ 10:20am
    
    Re: Re: Porn, cell phones, school.
    "What a typically ignorant response from a brainwashed Dem. Always blaming something on someone."
    
    Ummmm, I was being sarcastic, you tool!
    You are not allowed to post anymore comments, goodbye!
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    - Anonymous Coward, 23 Aug 2006 @ 10:25am
      
      Re: Re: Re: Porn, cell phones, school.
      who isn't allowed to post comments?
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      - david logan, 23 Aug 2006 @ 10:38am
        
        Re: Re: Re: Re: Porn, cell phones, school.
        >who isn't allowed to post comments?
        
        I was implying that "just me" should not post dumb replies....
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Aug 2006 @ 5:47am

How did I end up here?.. I was looking for porn!
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PR, 23 Aug 2006 @ 5:57am

Who to blame? Technology???
I'm realy pro technology and for every bad thing you can do with it you can use it in 50 more productive ways. Be real it parents duty to let children know whats right and whats not!
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- Anonymous Coward, 23 Aug 2006 @ 6:38am
  
  Re: Who to blame? Technology???
  For every 50 good ways you can think of to do something productive i bet there are another 50 unproductive!
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  - HotGarbage, 23 Aug 2006 @ 7:48am
    
    Parental Challenge
    If you can come up wirth a new device that can display an image, a smart teen will figure out how to get porn on it, I guaran-effin-tee it. Challenge.....Go check your son's video Ipod or related piece of technology, Palma-sutra anyone? Palm pilots, video Ipods and the like...I guarantee that you will be suprised at what you will find. Is it the technology's fault? NO, You bought it for them, and you didn't and cannot raise them any better. It is your fault for failing as parents..Accept it for what it is, no more, but no less either. Look, they are just doing what comes natural...
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- Italian Tech, 23 Aug 2006 @ 8:15am
  
  Re: Who to blame? Technology???
  It's not the parents to blame. I try to teach my kids right from wrong but their friends teach them the opposite! They listen to their "cool" friends.
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  - Jersey204, 23 Aug 2006 @ 9:17am
    
    Re: Re: Who to blame? Technology???
    You are absolutely correct in stating that kids listen to their friends and peers over their parents; however, the issue is not, "who to blame." The issue is that technology, once again, is taking the fall in an issue where a new medium has nothing to do with the problem: a kid had a little porn picture in school. Inappropriate, sure... but I can think of a lot worse things. This is part of growing up. Kids learn when and where things are appropriate. Personally, I can't wait for the day when I can view a live donkey show via my cell phone, save it to a memory card, and transfer it to a 74 in HD flatscreen in order to show my kid what is really deemed inappropriate.
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  - Lay Person, 23 Aug 2006 @ 9:20am
    
    Re: Re: Who to blame? Technology???
    Take the time to teach your kids to be leaders instead of followers.
    
    It's a self-esteem issue. No one knows whats better for your kids (when your not there) than they themselves.
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  - Nick, 23 Aug 2006 @ 3:07pm
    
    Re: Re: Who to blame? Technology???
    Actually, it is the parents. In your example, the party to blame are the parents of the cool kid. The problem with children is always the parents.
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NSMike, 23 Aug 2006 @ 6:00am

Ancient Egypt?
I wonder if the ancient egyptians worried about the dangers of papyrus technology and potential pornographic images being distributed.

...Wait, ancient egyptians walked around in pretty much sheer clothing anyway. Kind-of like the super-saturated sexy ad culture we live in today. Nevermind.
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Sanguine Dream, 23 Aug 2006 @ 6:05am

Fearmongering...
at its best!!! I am so glad this didn't happen in America cuz then it would be a national crisis that needed to be addressed right around the time of elections.
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Keybored, 23 Aug 2006 @ 6:09am

It's a toy
A cell phone in a kid's hand is just another toy. They're not allowed to bring toys to school. Leave the cell home or zipped up in the backpac for after school use.

The principle should not have a letter home to each parent for somthing as stupid as this. Detention forthe kid? sure but dumbass educators who keep over reacting is to small shit is a big problem (in my opinion)
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chris (profile), 23 Aug 2006 @ 6:14am

i remeber the good old days
when kids just shot up their schools with automatic weapons.

now it's pr0n everywhere. can't we just get back to old fashioned family values?
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Anonymous Coward the Nth, 23 Aug 2006 @ 6:23am

weblogs make the problem worse
Please stop blogging about shit like this that shouldn't have gotten farther away than the local newspaper. By spreading word about it you make the non-problem worse. I live at the freaking other end of the bloody globe (western europe), I should've known about some healthy Aussie boy.
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- Anonymous Coward the Nth, 23 Aug 2006 @ 6:27am
  
  Re: weblogs make the problem worse
  Make that "I should NOT have known about a healty Aussie boy"
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Concerned, 23 Aug 2006 @ 6:30am

Please!!!
Will someone think of the children???
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Devious, 23 Aug 2006 @ 6:31am

Cells phones are Illegal in Alabama
It is against the law to have a Cell phone on a school campus in Alabama, that includes Students, Parents, and Teachers. I know my daughter, who had to walk 2 miles to school because we lived 1 block inside the no bus zone, got suspended for having a cell phone with her in school. She wasn't even using, they did a bag search and found it. I went round and round with the Principle and the school board to no avail and was told that not even the parents could bring a cell phone on to the school grounds. Thats when I nailed the prinicple and three teachers for having cell phones on their hips and dared them to do something about me carrying my cell phone. They treatened to have me arrested, to bad they didn't go through with it, you might have had another blog to discuss. Needless to say, we pulled out daughter out of the horrible public school system in Alabama.
Just so you know, Cell Phones are Illegal in Alabama.
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Techie, 23 Aug 2006 @ 7:26am

DAMN THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY!!!
Cell Phones will bring the destruction of mankind!

Seriously kids with cell phones is no big deal. Schools having rules about not using them in class is ok as well. While I was in college I did find it quite annoying hearing someones cell phone ring while in class and those students actually answered it! Well alot of teachers began telling the students to leave the class and not come back for the rest of class.

Kids and adults both alike have no manners or ettiquette when it comes to cell phones.

Here is a place to start, because well all know Bill is a God and Microsoft is never wrong :) lol

http://www.microsoft.com/smallbusiness/resources/technology/communications/cell_phone_etiquet te_10_dos_and_donts.mspx
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Aug 2006 @ 7:29am

Same thing goes with video games... probably already been said.
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Anonymous Coward, 23 Aug 2006 @ 7:42am

BAN CELLPHONES!!
OMG!!! BAN CELLPHONES!! FOR THE CHILDREN!
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Jeff, 23 Aug 2006 @ 8:04am

Next thing you know the parents will be trying to sue the cell carriers, similar to how parents are trying to sue social networking sites. Once again lack of proper parenting.
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Bouncy walled heaven, 23 Aug 2006 @ 8:04am

Padded Room
Lets ban everything and lock everyone in there own, padded "Home" (aka room). That way no one can hurt, offend, touch, etc. etc. etc.

I feel like the Media and Government want to PROTECT US, from ourselves. Gone are the days of a stoopid child running into the coffee table, or pulling the cookie jar off the counter. I tell you those are some of the most importaint lessions in life. DUCK, Dodge, and LOOK OUT BELOW...

A few years ago people would bring in National Geographic magazines "for research", but would look at the naked native people... Hrmm... any different than porn on a cell???

One word

WAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!
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Sad Sam, 23 Aug 2006 @ 8:09am

Bad Apples and Porn Stars (I mean Bimbettes)
It really does amaze me how many people have a hard time understanding sarcasm.
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noodlenozzle, 23 Aug 2006 @ 8:17am

Quality, not quantity
All I want to know is if you can get vintage Ginger Lynn on a cell phone.
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The Man, 23 Aug 2006 @ 8:22am

Cell Phones are bad for Kids!
That's why I give my kids GSM enabled Tablet PC's. The image on the phone is way to small. The tablet is much better for displaying and sharing porn.
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Kenneth, 23 Aug 2006 @ 8:44am

Now this, is News
I am so sick of this crap, World War III could start any day and everyone is worried about some kid seeing a naked person or looking at porn in school. Give me a damn break. It's crap like this that makes terrorists and other important things in the real world take a back seat and then cause real problems, because they have time to think of ways to kill people and do other evil acts while we are worried about some kid watching Deepthroat in class. As now there will be 24/7 news alerts about how some 16 year old was caught watching porn in Sex Ed class, cause it was more informative then the class was he was in, and now how its corrupted the country, and how all kids with cell phones are going to become rapists and murders, obviously, We have came around a bit here in my good old USA from the Puritans ways and thoughts, but we are still so hung up over that seeing a nude person or seeing 2 people go at it, that we think its going to turn us all into rapist and killers. While 99% of all the people that are killing and raping people in this world now have not even seen a pornographic Movie or look at "Dirty Pictures". This is just another way of trying to stir shit up, and that’s what it is, it’s shit. And it will take us all away from real problems in the world, but then again this is what sells, so that’s what’s going to be told. BTW this article was about school kids viewing porn in school not about kids blackmailing people with images or anything else, like all conversations its got off the main subject and turned into something totally different, But that’s the human way, Isn’t it? As with every kid before us and after us, we all want to do that we are not supposed to do, and as long as everyone brings it out in the open and keeps talking about it the more reports you will see that kids are doing this, because they will only do it because everyone says you are not, if this shit wasn’t made into a big public national event, it would be almost non existent, You are always going to have some, But now it will become a “National Epidemic”, and will be on "The Quack Phill show" and the cover of USA TODAY so we can cause a bigger problem, It is so everyone can make money off it. That’s the bottom line. IF it’s not a problem make it into one, that’s our American way. We are all hypocrites, me and everyone else is in some way or another!
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Lantern Bearer, 23 Aug 2006 @ 9:07am

The biggest thing to happen at my highschool in 1963 was the display of Jimbo-"The Coochie King's 1952 Buick back seat on which there was a big stain from his exertions with a young woman who had there-to-fore not experienced any intrusive intromissions of the male kind.

The first day of display was treated by school officials as just another automobile viewing, but by the second day the full story was out and Jimbo was not allowed to park his, now shrine-like Buick, within sight of the school. There was adult talk of how destructive of morals that automotive technology had become in the hands of the young. "Somebody oughta do somethin'."

Jimbo turned 18 while still in his Sophomore year and was soon on his way to basic trainning.

My youngest daughter just recently paid me the last $500 dollars she owed me for a $3000 Cellular porn media content bill. If she ever gets another cell phone account she will have to marry into it.

Lantern Bearer
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No One Knows, 23 Aug 2006 @ 9:09am

Give me a second to climb up on my soap box here. This whole issue arose from a sexual harassment lawsuit filed on a auto service shop mechanic several decades ago. A customer noticed a auto parts calendar in the mechanics tool box and filed a protest. The customer won the suite despite the fact it was located in a privet tool box in a restricted area. This made the news. Once the pretense was set more people set out looking for business to file suit and make a lot of moneys on something that has been excepted as normal since man took up the wrench to make a living. To date no one is safe. If some one shows up with material or does anything some one else could consider distasteful or obscene, that business or organization is liable. (Remember in one culture or another, anything and everything can be is considered highly obscene.) So in today’s Lawsuit happy world it should not be surprising that the schools are shaking in their boots over what kids may bring into school. When it comes to kids, parents are quick to blame anyone else for their personal parental shortcomings. And they will find plenty of lawyers and politicians who will agree with them.
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- Sanguine Dream, 23 Aug 2006 @ 9:37am
  
  Re:
  
  When it comes to kids, parents are quick to blame anyone else for their personal parental shortcomings. And they will find plenty of lawyers and politicians who will agree with them.
  
  Well of course. What better way is there to "think of the children" than to take a relatively small issue and blow it up into a national emergency?
  
  And the calendar in the above example, talk about double standard. Does this mean that as an agnostic if I walk into an auto repair shop and one of the workers has on a shirt that says, "All agnostics are evil" and the Christian cross on the background I can sue? I could try but all of a sudden that worker's shirt is freedom of expression because no lawyer or politician would have the balls/ovaries to stand up to the almighty church. Now back to you regularly scheduled topic.
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Lay Person, 23 Aug 2006 @ 9:10am

Once again...
Once again...technology is to blame and not the parents or the student.

Parents, understand the technology you give your kids. Be certain the kids understand that actions and choices have consequences, sometimes undesired ones.

Once a choice is made, be accountable for it, for better or worse. Be a responsible human being and own your choices and actions.

"Blame no one, expect nothing, and do somethig."
-Vince Lombardy (ex coach Greenbay Packers)
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gianni, 23 Aug 2006 @ 9:18am

more worried about violence
I not worried about T& A, its the Violence by students and Sex abuse by teachers, lack of fundamentals being taught that worries the hell out of me.
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\, 23 Aug 2006 @ 9:34am

Obligatory
Penny arcade had something like this a while ago, good read. Check the news post:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/06/02
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Luke, 23 Aug 2006 @ 9:36am

Does technology really sensationalize?
Does technology really make this story more exciting for the journalists, editors and end readers? As this post mentions, a pornographic magazine would certainly not make the news -- what difference does it make if it's an electronic image or not.

Protectionism is also not the answer. Trying to shelter your children from every possible 'evil' in the world is not going to make them stronger and more resilient, it's going to make them weaker. Here's a different idea: talk to your kids about the things that make you uncomfortable -- discussing things can make you both feel better about it.
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ulle53, 23 Aug 2006 @ 10:05am

back when I was a kid we looked at the womens underwear section in the sears cataloge fot our porn fix, now they use phones, amazing how times change but kids don't
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David Logan, 23 Aug 2006 @ 10:16am

Porn, cell phones, school
I meant George Bush's Bush is to blame, ... for itself...being a bush, that....students want to look at....during class....
errr...*head explodes*
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Joe, 23 Aug 2006 @ 10:27am

better yet, just teach your kids that nudity is somthing to be loved. love in private, but still loved. give em a cell phone, and actually look at it once in a while. and btw, cellphone porn is not the problem. ipod video, video porn is the problem. i pods are banned at the highschool i went to, and i took mine every day, so did half my teachers, and most of my friends.
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Logan, 23 Aug 2006 @ 10:32am

I think when dorpus said "obviously that bad apples" in the 1st comment, he just meant that he was at a gas station and encountered some girls that acted/dressed/whatever in a manner that made it obvious they were the "bad apples". He was just listing the location where he saw them, I don't think he meant that they were bad apples BECAUSE they were at the gas station.

Just an afterthought.
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Disgusted, 23 Aug 2006 @ 10:33am

I honestly think it's pathetic that people worry about this shit... Your going to make a piece of porn on a phone a national or world-wide crisis... How lame is everyone becoming? Like they can't go on the Internet and see it all day? Are you kidding me? We honestly think that parental blocks stop them from viewing porn? Listen all you looking for a reason to be heard simpletons. If you say we have a restricted site filter on our net, it's easy to DL another browser, and trust me the 6 yr old that my Gf babysat knew how to do that, they are smarter than we think. So you find a way to block something and they'll find a way to get access even faster... It's our nature and it will never end, I think it started from Adam and Eve when the ate from the forbidden fruit .. We want what we can't have period. Now as for the George Bush blamers. Everything in this world is his fault right. Wrong... Is it his fault that Korea wants to launch missiles, is it his fault that Saddam Gassed thousands of people cause someone tried to off him? Or is it George W's fault that some retards that wear trench coats and males with black nail polish and vampire teeth decided to shoot up a whole school?
I've learn one thing in my 26 years on this earth. Everyone wants to blame everything on someone else, it's never their faults it's never going to be and everyone is perfect. So saying that and to not be hypocrites if we all think that nothing is our faults and we are perfect, George W. Bush is a saint and he's doing the world a favor by ridding us of all that scum. And if you say I'm just saying that cause I don't have to fight out there, I did 3 tours with the Army there... Thank you... I'll be here all week.
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- Anonymous Coward, 23 Aug 2006 @ 11:16am
  
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  no, it's all gw's fault. he ain't a saint, more like a satan. i mean come on. invading sovergn nations of false information, and then turing around and saying that, oops we're actually here for humanitiy. well, if that's the case, start at home my friend. we gots killin's and sarving people in our country, and i think they need a bit more help then some guy riding a camel in the desert halfway around the globe. oh, and if you say i'm a hater, i'm a dedicated piolit in the air force. i don't like his mission, but i do what my boss says, and as an american i have not only the right, but DUTY to stand up and say when our government is wrong. remember that, DUTY.
  
  saint....breaking laws, murdering people, cheating, lying....yeah, that's a saint all right..
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  - david logan, 23 Aug 2006 @ 12:13pm
    
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    so you are saying its wrong to protect the USA from Terrorists!?!?!?!
    
    And its your duty to say this?
    
    GEORGE BUSH CAN BREAK ALL THE LAWS HE WANTS TO, TO KEEP THIS COUNTRY SAFE...
    LOVE IT OR GO AWOL.
    or... get your head chopped off by a muslim.
    
    your choice....
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    - Logan, 23 Aug 2006 @ 12:26pm
      
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      david logan- that is just stupid. Don't say stupid things. Bitch.
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Couldn't of put it better myself!!!!!!!, 23 Aug 2006 @ 11:06am

I completely agree with what Disgusted says, good man...
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Disgusted, 23 Aug 2006 @ 12:08pm

Rgr that... But in that case what Commander In Chief hasn't done any of those things? I wasn't really saying her was a saint, but it was an over exaggeration of how everyone else was saying that everything was his Fault. I know he's not a Saint... All of us that have been there know what our mission Really is... I'm just trying to keep those damn Liberals and Democrats at bay. I just hate when the citizens of this country Thrash our own leader... No other government in this world does what we do. It's embarrassing. I am just a firm believer in not down talking my boss/ leader of this country. Remember WE elected him. Maybe not all of us but apparently most of us. 18 Z U.S. Army SOF
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Logan, 23 Aug 2006 @ 12:17pm

Anonymous Coward
Hey, buddy. Don't hide behind "I'm in an armed force so I can say what I want." No one gives a shit. Yes, I respect them. But don't use it as an arguing point.
Some humanitarian you are. Bitch.
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Disgusted, 23 Aug 2006 @ 12:26pm

Logan, Who are you talking about? Disgusted (Me) or post #67?
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Logan, 23 Aug 2006 @ 12:33pm

I am talking about post 67 and 69. I support Bush, but david logan saying "or get your head chopped off by a muslim" is just unintelligent. Also, Anonymous Coward is hiding behing "I'm in the military".
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Shadez, 23 Aug 2006 @ 12:41pm

Those willing to sacrifice freedoms for security deserve neither.

i believe in that statement.

I don't believe that by the president breaking the laws, he keeps the country safe. It doesn't work. ok, we illegaly tap phone conversations, let's go to email, or snail mail. humm...i think i'd be a bit concerned if a letter from the post office was delivered and it was already opened and inspected. remember, the constitution was designed to supress the powers of the president, not give him (or her) complete control. unfortnuately we have a congress that agrees with him, and there's not much we can do about it.

so to #69, get your ass in gear and start looking for osama, because well...he's the real danger, right? he caused 9/11 right? and where the f is he now?
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Disgusted, 23 Aug 2006 @ 12:48pm

Well, in all honesty, the only ones that can say a bit more about our mission in Iraq are the guys that have been there. Mostly the ones doing all the door kicking and scouting...
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Frank, 23 Aug 2006 @ 12:54pm

Why is it if someone has an opposite view, like #69, why is he "hiding" aren't you doing the same thing?
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- Logan, 23 Aug 2006 @ 12:59pm
  
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  You are a dumbass. I wasn't talking about #69. I'm talking to the "I was in the military..."
  
  Sure, the people who have been there have more experience. And if you want to talk about that, fine. But, don't just say "I'm in the military. Blah blah..." Make a point about it.
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david logan, 23 Aug 2006 @ 12:57pm

Cell Phones in school!
Look at what the cell phones in school have caused......

Group hug time!!!!!

I love my Country, and I appreciate all of my Uncles, Grandfathers, and relatives that have served and that are serving in our military!

When I first mentioned the whole Blame bush crap, I WAS KIDDING!!!
(making fun of the "liberal idiots" that infest our GREAT NATION).

But I'm not kidding about the risk of Muslims cutting our heads off....
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- Anonymous Coward, 23 Aug 2006 @ 1:02pm
  
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  hey david, don't you know there are just as many conservative itiots that are infesting our GREAT NATION as well? and if you don't think so, you are one of those conservative idiots.
  
  i have liberal views, and yeah, we do have some real bozo's on our side, but then again, i think we have some good ideas. also, i don't think all conservatives are wackos....the ones on the fringes are, yes, but the conseervatives just have a different solution to a problem. i'd be nice if we all could compromise like our founders did so many years ago. unfortunately, everyone want's the limelight, we aren't ready to say, oh, the other side helped us just as much...
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  - david logan, 23 Aug 2006 @ 1:09pm
    
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    Hello Mr. Anonymous Coward
    
    Will you participate in this group hug??
    
    SHIVOKKNIFF
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Disgusted, 23 Aug 2006 @ 1:01pm

OK, I'm sorry it was my post that threw this whole Blog off, It was about a nude pic on a cell phone and my post turned into a political debate. But it is interesting. So, if no one opposes Drive on....
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Disgusted, 23 Aug 2006 @ 1:09pm

I never hide behind the "I'm in the military thing" I'm just stating the point that anyone that has been there knows what's going on and the opinion can't be biased or influenced by the censorship of the media. That's why I just stated that I've been that and most likely going back again and again and again.
Next stop.... Iran...Syria...N.Korea.... Lebanon...Israel...?It must be like a power ball drawing...
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Disgusted, 23 Aug 2006 @ 1:11pm

Hug... awwwwaaa
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TRUTH BE TOLD, 23 Aug 2006 @ 1:50pm

We were attacked because
We were attacked by terrorists because of the Bush administrations constantly sticking it's nose in everyones business.

We have no business messing with the Palestinians or the Iranians. Furthermore we attacked Iraq under false pretenses. We aid Israel by aiding them with billions of dollars a year.

We were attacked because our foreign policy is simply self serving. If it's selfsrving we have tyo expect to be attacked.

This has absolutly nothing to do with what everyone is being fed as the truth. Truth is we asked for ourselves to be attacked. We asked to be dragged in the middleeast conflict. We are as guilty as anything Israel has done to date.

Remember that Israelis were the first terrorists. They taught the muslims how to cause terror. We have alot of nerve blaming muslims and terrorists.

It's like robbing a neighbors house, then going next door asking if they've been robbed and empathizing. I know BS when I see it and George is full of BULLSHIT!
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- WAKE UP!!!!!!!!, 23 Aug 2006 @ 4:34pm
  
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  Reply to #84....
  
  You have alot to learn...
  I dont know where you get your news, but your way off base like most of the folks in the country...
  
  Bush's foreign policy has about as much to do with 9-11, or any other war involving the middle east as the Queen of England has to do with the price of this laptop I'm typing on....(yeah...jack shit).
  
  Bin Laden made it clear in his letter to America that it (911) was more Bill Clinton's fault than Bush...
  
  """Who can forget your President Clinton's immoral acts committed in the official Oval office? After that you did not even bring him to account, other than that he 'made a mistake', after which everything passed with no punishment. Is there a worse kind of event for which your name will go down in history and remembered by nations?"""
  
  Do a Google search some time for Osama letter to America...
  Its been found to be authentic...
  
  And theres alot more there to read!!!
  
  I guess your gonna say the Crusades somehow had to also do with Bush's policies...
  whatever....
  learn history...
  
  There has never been peace in the Middle East....
  I wonder why?
  
  Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.
  Islam's "holy" book teaches bluntly to kill infadels...
  
  As you can see in Binladens letter we (the U.S.) are the "Great Satan" ( go read the letter)
  
  So....hmmmm, I wonder why the violence, ITS NOT BECAUSE OF BUSHS FOREIGN POLICY!!!
  
  Its because we are infadels according to the Quran.
  Its that plain, and that simple.
  
  You know you can actually read the Quran, they print it in english now....
  
  In case you didnt see the banner hanging in the background in that video posted by #85....YEAH IT WAS AN OPEN BOOK AT THE BOTTOM...... AND IT AINT THE BIBLE!!!
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Disgusted by Truth be told..., 23 Aug 2006 @ 2:56pm

Watch this whole video and then tell me that we shouldn't rid the world of these Asshole scumbags. I for one enjoyed every goddamned Iraqi/Afghani Insurgent I sniped right through the eyes, as a matter of fact later if it was possible I went and spit on their corpse And carving the name of one of the 12 friends I lost in the towers on their body with my bayonet. This video is real asshole and they do this shit everyday, I bet you would feel different about them if they did this to your son or daughter. Dick

I DARE EVEYONE THAT THINKS THAT WE SHOULDN'T STAY AND TAKE THEM ALL OUT TO WATCH THIS WHOLE VIDEO AND STILL FEEL THE SAME WAY.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6504653266214385783&q=Cutting+head+off+Iraq& ;hl=en
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- JJ, 23 Aug 2006 @ 4:24pm
  
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  > I DARE EVEYONE THAT THINKS THAT WE SHOULDN'T STAY AND TAKE THEM ALL OUT TO WATCH THIS WHOLE VIDEO AND STILL FEEL THE SAME WAY.
  
  So, because of a few deranged individuals, we should fuck up an entire country, including plenty of innocent people? Sure. And, how are you any better than they are "enjoying" killing people? Also nice that you lump together Iraqi and Afghani insurgents as if they're the same.
  
  Think through your logic for a second. Your pissed off at a few people, so you want to kill a bunch of people who just look like they do, even if they don't hold the same beliefs? That's scary.
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Disgusted, 23 Aug 2006 @ 4:09pm

I didn't think anyone would have a response to that...
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Disgusted, 23 Aug 2006 @ 4:31pm

No, I'm talking about the ones who do that wretched shit...You have no Idea how it feels to wake up everyday out there not knowing if your gonna be just like the guy in the video. You never know, that's who I'm talking about wiping out not the innocent people , children, mothers and honest fathers....
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Disgusted, 23 Aug 2006 @ 4:38pm

I was told a story over there by a local that one day her neighbor had 2 sons 23 and 6mos. One day her 23 yr old strapped c4 to his body and went to take out as many of us as he could. So the next day he went over to give his condolences and she turned to him and said "See this baby I'm holding? I hope he does the same thing when he becomes my late sons age". What does that tell you???
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- JJ, 23 Aug 2006 @ 5:09pm
  
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  > What does that tell you???
  
  It tells me there are some sick, sick people over there who are quite angry at us. That doesn't explain why you want to kill everyone else and blame those for the actions of some sick people. There are sick people here in America too. By your logic, we should wipe out all Americans too.
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Disgusted, 23 Aug 2006 @ 4:40pm

Thank you #90
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Disgusted, 23 Aug 2006 @ 5:12pm

See, I was misunderstood, I don't want to wipe out everyone else just the ones who do the Sick shit. And as for the people that do that shit here, I believe that we take care of them in the right fashion. Sentenced to death??? Right?
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- JJ, 23 Aug 2006 @ 6:04pm
  
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  > See, I was misunderstood, I don't want to wipe out everyone else just the ones who do the Sick shit.
  
  Yet, earlier you say that we must "TAKE THEM ALL OUT." So, I ask, how do you know which ones are the ones who do the sick shit and are worth taking out, and who are innocent? And how do you respond to someone on the other side who thinks you're doing sick shit in talking about how you enjoy killing them and spitting on their corpses?
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Disgusted, 23 Aug 2006 @ 6:32pm

Easy, the ones that shoot at you...
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Anonymous Coward, 24 Aug 2006 @ 5:09am

by spitting on the dead bodies, then carving names in them, you are simmilar to the guys in the video. they enjoy ridding the world of us infadels, and you enjoyed ridding the world of those "sick people"

you are no different then them, and you my friend, should meet their same fate.
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Disgusted, 24 Aug 2006 @ 7:16am

there is a scripture in the bible that says You kill by the sword you shal die by the sword... So I guess what goes around comes around, and I guess I made it come back around....
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Anonymous Coward, 24 Aug 2006 @ 9:22am

what book, chapter, and verse does your "quote" come from?

and what is the sourround context? bible quotes are more often "misquoted" or compared to something irrevelant. until you can back your statments...i have no use for you.
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david logan, 24 Aug 2006 @ 10:22am

by Anonymous Coward bible verse.
I'll chime in--

Matt. 26:52 is the most pupular reference.

"But Jesus said to him, "Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword. "

When the Sanhedrin's soldiers came to take Jesus to trial Peter was trying to defend Jesus and attacked (cut the ear off) one of the soldiers, Jesus told him basically, put the sword away or they will kill you..Then as a favor, Jesus healed the soldiers ear...

Thats what you where refering to wasnt it Disgusted?
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Anonymous Coward, 24 Aug 2006 @ 10:43am

thanks for helping out disgusted. well if he now lives by the sword, i won't shed a tear when he's on the video getting his head sliced off. and i guess he deserved it? if he believes what he is saying...
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david logan, 24 Aug 2006 @ 10:55am

Re: by Anonymous Coward on Aug 24th, 2006 @ 10:43a
Anonymous Coward,

I think you misunderstand Disgusted (but we wont discuss that now)....

Give me your thoughts on a few non-violent methods of dealing with an ENTIRE culture that wants us dead because we are "infadels"...

Keep in mind they will not compromise belief structure...

Will you compromise whatever beliefs you have?

I wont.
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Anonymous Coward, 24 Aug 2006 @ 12:11pm

right is never absolute.

nonvolient ways....humm....take a look at ghandi? HELL even look at your JESUS. he stood for nonviiolence. (let those who are w/o sin cast the first stone, turn the other cheek, et. al)

it seemed to work for them.

plus, i don't think the ENTIRE culture wants us dead. i have a muslum friend, and he doesn't want american dead, coz well he's american too. so right there, your point is meaningless
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Disgusted, 25 Aug 2006 @ 1:02pm

The Anonymous Coward must be one of them and I quote "
nonvolient ways....humm....take a look at ghandi? HELL even look at YOUR JESUS. he stood for nonviiolence.

He must be upset over a cousin of his I probably took out, and many more to come till they finally realize that we will not give up till all the ones causing terror are DEAD...Nuff said on this topic...

Anonymous Coward till you stand in my shoes do not criticize me, you have no idea what it feels like to wake up everyday in that shit hole they call a country and think that some little brainwashed kid might pick up an AK-47 and try to take a shot at you and you have to shoot him... when you go through that then talk. you have no idea what we go through in that place. Remember we are here so your not. Because you are too scared to fill my shoes, cause you don't think that we should be there, because because because... All of your excuses leading up to the fact that your a little snot nosed bitch behind a keyboard and probably never fathomed of even serving this country. Unless your some terrorist here that is plotting and I offended you remember this is your country too, and what I'm doing is so you don't have to do it and that's the truth. Want to know the reason I went into the military? Because my mother didn't make enough money to send me to school (college) so I applied for a federal grant and I received all 4 years of college tuition paid all books and everything courtesy of uncle Sam. So when I graduated I wanted to give back because if it wasn't for this great country and the ways of the system, I'd probably be in some dead end job. So in close unless you have the Honor, leadership, loyalty, duty, courage, commitment to your country... shut your mouth.
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- dave logan, 28 Aug 2006 @ 8:19am
  
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  Thank you Disgusted!
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    Anytime man....
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zANELE TSHABALALA, 13 Feb 2007 @ 11:06pm

TELL ME!!!!
why do we keep on refering to our mobiles as cell phones.
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casandra williams, 22 Oct 2007 @ 11:55am

u right
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