Zune Doesn't Play For Sure
from the oh-that? dept
This had been rumored for quite some time, but as the EFF is noting, it's fairly stunning that Microsoft's super hyped up portable entertainment device, Zune, isn't even compatible with protected Windows Media files that use Microsoft's own "PlaysForSure" copy protection. Yes, that's right. All of the content that people bought on services like Napster, Rhapsody, Yahoo, Movielink or Cinemanow that they figured would continue to be supported by everyone outside of Apple... just discovered that Microsoft has cut them off. Yes, it's true that PlaysForSure is now hacked so that people can convert those files, but that's a pain. Just as amazing is that most of the press seems to be skipping over this "little" detail -- though, perhaps that's just an indication of how few people were actually customers of these services that offered PlaysForSure content. Either way, this seems like even more of a reason that Microsoft would be better off not trying to patch the technology -- as leaving it open only will make their own devices more valuable. Also, it's worth noting that nothing seems to have come of the rumor that Microsoft was also planning to pay for you to repurchase all your iTunes songs, either. Update: Apparently, some are also realizing that since Zune adds its own DRM to things, it's probably violating Creative Commons licenses.
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C'mon
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Re: C'mon
The only winner is the anti-DRM lobby because MS just proved how anti-consumer DRM really is.
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You missed the best part...
So, let's say you create a song, and want to share it with your friend. Okay, so far so good. But now, your friend has only three plays or three days, whichever comes first, to listen to it. (Even if it's a non-copyrighted song that you created and wish to share entirely free of any sort of restrictions).
It's so horrible and retarded and counter to their stated vision for Zune that I can't even begin to fathom how they could have possibly thought people wouldn't hate this.
Also, gratz on locking out all the honest people who actually signed up for online music. Way to alienate the early-adopters, the very people you will need if you want to get this off the ground.
I'm still stunned by how utterly backwards the entire thing is. There's no "community" here. All I'm seeing is a heavy-petting session between Big Content and an increasingly desperate Microsoft entertainment division.
See you next Christmas, boys.
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Re: You missed the best part...
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so what's so special?
just take an mp3 player with usb host, connect an asus wll-hdd wireless hard drive caddy and you're there! Ok, so you zune is better integrated.
watch out for the next iriver or other top media player to come with bluetooth2.1 or wifi so you can upload/download without cables, and it'll be far superior.
we europeans are still waiting for a decent hard-drive player with DAB (digital) radio, that's the killer app.
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and the point of all this is?
and for when 'enough' isn't my phone can take a 1GB memory stick which should provide a few more songs, especially at 30kbps (no point going better since my office isn't silent anyway).
and that both of these devices work as plug in hard drives, so i don't need fancy software....
I'm failing to see the market for yet another of these devices, frankly my phone has a 3.2mega pixel cam, 70 meg ram & the above mentioned card slot, and a radio. (not digital, but you can't have everything - yet)
in the 16 or so months the contracts got left to run i dare say a digital radio will be standard. yes the phone can't play stuff from iTunes, who cares I have a pc with a cd-drive and a broadband connection. if i can listen to it it can be turned into an mp3.
apparently the slot in my phone 'supports' upto a 32 meg memory card (never seen one though), if it had a DAB radio... magic
oh yes and its 30 quid a month.. yawn.. my last phone was more and did less, plus I'd have the phone anyway so effectivly the camera, mp3 player and radio don't cost anything.
I don't see a future in which I'll be buying an iPod or zune or whatever.
even if it lacked all forms of DRM, and could play anything, I'd *still* have no real need for it.
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Re: and the point of all this is?
Sorry, you've lost all credibility
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Re: Re: and the point of all this is?
my choice i figure.
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What are they smoking in redmond!!!
This may be one of the bigger failures for MS ... PlayforSure kills iTunes because of the choice.. No value in trading Apple for Microsoft only solutions.
I will still be sending friends toward a Creative Zen product all the way!!!!
This MS fan.. thinks Zume team is LAME!!!
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30kbps? Ha I lol !!!!!
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MS Fan?
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Redmond Police Raid Microsoft
Redmond Police Chief Joe Friday said "We didn't need a tip, or even a warrant. The Zume player design was clearly evidence someone was smoking crack. A brown colored player might have been evidence of a little harmless pot smoking. But brown and incompatible with other Microsoft music formats. It was clear that they had done enough drugs to think they worked for Apple. We had no choice but to act in the interest of the public and Microsoft stockholders"
No one at Microsoft could be reached for comment, but rumors are that the offices will be cleaned out and turned over to the group in charge of Microsoft BOB 2007.
AP - Seattle Bureau
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Zune
I use it to show clients websites and images etc..
40gig 5th gen colour
The whole thing was a tax deduction.
MY media centre is a 350mhz mac with panther, try doing that with Vista and you will find about about HDCP, microslop doesn't want you to watch High Definition Content unless you have a hardware card.
I wont be buying one, nor many MS products much any more.
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speak with your wallets
there will always be alternatives out there to DRM, and i will go with those. i don't care if the "studios" or corrupt politicians think downloading is illegal, because i feel their draconian DRM schemes are illegal and go against laws set up years ago to prevent this type of corporate control of creative content.
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speak with your wallets by ScytheNoire
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It was a candy @ss solution from the "Band-Aid" (TM) company known as Microsoft...
To be honest... I have no issues with buying music... But I also have no moral dilema with feeling what I buy and can hold is now my possession assuming I don't spread it for free to everyone and their dog...
With the analog sound quality output of some soundcards and assuming that sure if we all want to be gratuitious gluttons we could have a 300+ Gb mp3 / wma / aac collection...
But despite it all... and with the exception of the true elitist / audiophile / ecclectic personality who is in that odd demographic who enjoys and listens to all genres of music across a wide time span... Most of the populace is nothing more than an MTV whore who downloads the top 40 as it changes week to week and not a whole lot more... The age of truly sitting in a record store and absorbing / listening to never been heard indie / white label artists is waning...
That is most of the problem... The artists that want to be heard would never endorse or allow these fascist protections... The artists / labels that do are the ones that force feed to the music lemmings MTV generation via payola radio play and million dollar promo ad / tour campaigns...
Maybe I am jaded but as a DJ I have to invest time into going deep into the nobodies looking for the next something instead of looking at the old somebodies who vomit up garbage and having it go to the charts just because of their name...
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Uh, no. That is just you. Ok, maybe you and your particular circle fo friends. But definitely not most of toe populace.
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but it had such a Chance!
like wifi built in.
possible Good idea would have you setting up local area streaming radio stations off your mp3 device (with no local caching. probably easier that way anyhow) how awesome would that make public places?
and in the Zune Incarnation.. we have limited transmission and DRM with 3play3day being pushed onto all content.. thats.. less groovy.
its like they imagined the most custumer friendly plan.. and carefully built their system to make sure it wouldnt happen.
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Jobs stuck with buy-to-own, now Microsoft forced t
People accepted Apple's "walled garden" because they did it "right" out of the gate. How many will accept a "new" walled garden, if they know with absolute certainty, that NOTHING they buy on the Zune platform will likely be supported if they ever went back to a next generation iPod or... heaven forbid, switched to the Mac.
Well. Until the sky cracks open, I'll keep planning a free-your-music information site. Given consumer complacency, the war's about to get darker before it gets any brighter. I can't believe people are still running Windows 95 and 98. 10 years from now, we'll be feeling the fall out of this MS run fracture.
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reconsidering
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Wow. Ha ha.
30kps is like listening to your 57 Chevy's car radio with the windows rolled up and the doors shut with you standing OUTside. I'd get a better vibe 'n' jive from a Speak-n-Spell.
If your going to enjoy art, ENJOY the ART. I'd listen to ticks-n-blips with as much glee as I would snapping a shot in an art gallery, setting it as the background pic, and then stringing the phone to a nail in the wall.
My advice (and I'll pretend you care...) is to get a really good set of head phones (Sure EC4 or the like) that do a pretty damned good job at blocking out the background noise, stick the card in your PC or Mac at work and saving the battery on your phone for when you really need it.
On a different note, I find it strangely ironic that so many phones lately do anything and everything (e-mail, web surfing, music playing and purchasing, GPS, camera, PC remote, watch T.V., etc) and STILL not do better than a half-a$$ed job at 'playing' phone.
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WiFi Smell . . .
I already use my Bluetooth phone as a remote for my Powerbook that pauses the song/DVD/Movie when a call comes in or when I leave the room.
As Bluetooth 2 EDR starts getting put in phones etc (and in all Apple Laptops for the last year) it will bring good data rates, low power consumption and the ability for several devices to cooperate.
Here's where it gets good. You're listening to music off your 6G BluePod through your stereo Bluetooth headset when your phone rings, tells your Bluepod to pause and temporarily takes over your headset. As you put the phone down the music starts again.
Also the PlaysFor S**t DRM was already more draconian than Fairplay and the corporates want it more so. M$ is giving them what they want, but SteveJ won't do so and can get away with it because they are self-evidently the market leader.
On the subject of convergence devices the reason that so many do a half assed job and they reason that iPods lack several in built features is that many things inherently don't go together or just complicate matters.
As an example a Video Pod for movies would ideally have a large screen but also must be pocket sized, how? Oh, and cheaper than a laptop otherwise people will just use one of them as they already have a large battery, large screen and play DVD's.
Designing UI's that do various things well and simply on limited screens without complicated input hardware is very difficult to get right. The iPod interface is a model of simplicity and elegance partly because it's just designed to do a few things well.
As for the idiot with 30Kbps songs the reason for "complicated software" like the oh-so-complicated iTunes is that when you've got thousand of songs on your device managing songs is very important. unless you want to guess which of the two thousand 'Track One's in your long long list is the one you're looking for or want to spend ten minutes hitting the down button on the phone to get to that part of the list.
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DAB
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Returned our Zunes
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my zume
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