Maybe If We're Cheap Enough, No One Will Notice We're Breaking Everyone's Terms Of Service
from the now,-there's-a-strategy dept
We've never quite understood the strategy of the ridiculously hyped up "Fon". It's a pure gimmick with a ton of problems that are likely to block it from ever being successful. Basically, the company wants people to offer up their home WiFi for sharing as a network. There are different plans if you share your own home WiFi or offer it for a fee (and that, in turn, determines whether you get to use others' access points for free or for a fee). Among the many problems is the idea that you can actually get near ubiquitous coverage from just random home users. How many people are really going to jump on board? It's going to take an awful lot -- and even then the dead spots may be a problem. At the same time, with the "fee/free" alternatives, the business model makes almost no sense. If people share, they won't pay, and how many people actually pay for WiFi access these days? Fewer and fewer, especially as alternatives keep popping up. However, the biggest roadblock has always been the fact that most ISPs forbid any kind of sharing of their connection. While Fon keeps saying that it will convince ISPs otherwise, not many seem to be excited about this sort of thing. Yet, they keep pushing forward, and the latest is a plan to offer a heavily subsidized WiFi router for $5 to anyone who agrees to share their connection -- again, pretty much ignoring that almost no one is actually allowed to do so. Perhaps their strategy is to just throw away all the millions of dollars of VC money they've raised, and hope that as they're finally out of money, enough of these devices are out there that the ISPs really can't do anything about it and decide to cooperate. That seems like a stretch though, and it's surprising that some investors would bet over $20 million on such a risky strategy.Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.
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I don't get it
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I'm a Fonero
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ummm
So an arguably reputable company is proposing BROADBAND THEFT...
and they are CONSPIRING with the populous to make this available??
...why areNt these ppl in JAIL????
oh! and saying "VC money" is the same as saying "ATM machine"
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Funny, when I read that I interpreted it as Venture Capitalist's Money, Not Venture Capital money.
So, I disagree wiht your implication that it is a redundant acronym usage.
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Good idea but ISPs need to be on-board
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legal?
If I let you share my bandwith, against my TOS... and you download child porn or worse, copyrighted music.... am I liable? Is FON?
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Re: legal?
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No court in the US has come to that conclusion that I know of. Do you have a case we can reference?
At this point in time (AFAIK), the **AA is dropping any lawsuits if the defendant says they have an unsecured wifi box, because they don't want a court to rule on that issue.
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First off, can't you to to Tiger Direct and buy a G Wireless Router for $20?
Second, didn't the University of Chicago come out with a program that would allow neighborhoods to share WiFi connections, but had the added benefit that always prioritized your own traffic, it allowed people to increase bandwidth that was being unused. I wonder if FON does that?
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Not true
Completely untrue. The fact that you rent some bandwidth is not even close to enough to even bring charges against you. The burden of proof still falls on the state to prove that you were the one using it and you committed the crime. The RIAA has been shut down numerous times with this exact same arguement, open wireless network means that they need to come up with a lot more information to get around that pesky reasonable doubt thing.
" Now if you can proof that you were somewhere else when the illegal activity occurred with your IP address you might be able to get out of it. Good luck documenting every step of the day."
Where do you come up with this stuff? No matter what you think in AMERICA the burden of proof is not on the defendant.
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As a Fon user...
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Check your facts please
I use two different ISP services. Both allow sharing. One forbids me from reselling more bandwidth than I buy ;-)
Who pays for WiFi nowadays?
Almost everybody in city centres in many countries. Open networks are fast disappearing. Even in the surburbs some countries it looks like the suppliers have defaulted APs to encryption eg Belgium is wide open but neighbouring Netherlands is much tighter. In a Paris or London Hotel you will probably be paying BTZone, Orange or T-Zone to collect your US mail!
Ubiquitous coverage?
OK but the competition have NO coverage outside the commercial urban areas so suburban coverage is a USP. Urban coverage is a problem for FON but judicious use of entrepenaurs with directional kit creaming hotel & other traffic is a dream that may be partially realised. FONs cheaper prices reflect that the user may need to more to find the service rather than the service finding them. This was the position of competing mobile phone networks when some had much better coverage than others. Funny how it all evened out in the end.
No - not defending FON. There are a lot of risk and mis-executed development and i wouldn't bet my pension on them. But please don't misdirect your attack for the sake of a catchy but dodgy headline.
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I dont understand
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Maybe If We're Cheap Enough, No One Will Notice
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Maybe my Fon too....
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my apologize
but while iM on the subject
if the sectence was written " the VC's money" then i wouldVe considered that the money actually came from a particular source.... since the "the" and the "'s" wasNt there...i found it somewhat labourious deciphering what exactly "VC" meant initially. The "ATM machine" reference came in about the same moment the light came on about the "VC" acronym.
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There are others too! Look!
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Excellent - validation...
1 - Wi-Fi is already huge, and its getting bigger. More devices are coming on the market (phones included)
2 - A network of Wi-Fi hotspots is already popular - look at Boingo and T-Mobile! if its cheap enough, people will use it.
3 - Fon and Tomizone look like they've got the new "distribution" model right. I wonder though that the "free" nature of the Fon deal is a little too cute - I mean, I don't mind sharing but how do I know that a heavy downloader doesn't come along and shut me out of my connection - I see the Tomizone solution has something called a friends list at least they can limit their "free" list. It means that the distribution of their routers or software will make Wi-Fi more accessible for people who want access away from the office without paying a wad of cash to their mobile provider for an expensive service.
4 - If these guys were smart, they would allow roaming between networks that prevents double ups? maybe, I dunno.
I think the visionarys who created these outfits will see that this is just the beginning of something very big.
Anyhow - thats what I think...
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