RIAA Pushes Through Internet Radio Royalty Rates Designed To Kill Webcasts
from the broadcasters-must-be-a-special-boys-club dept
It's been quite some time since we last heard about arguments between internet webcasters and SoundExchange (a group spun off from the RIAA to handle royalty collection). Back in the summer of 2003, there was even a lawsuit over the royalties being set, that were pretty clearly designed to put smaller, independent webcasters out of business. From the RIAA's point of view, this is perfectly typical. They still view the world (especially the internet) as a broadcast medium. Therefore, they want at small number of "professional" content producers who create the content for everyone else. Then they can just sign a few ridiculously large licenses with those large players, and "the people" get to consume it. It's a fundamental misunderstanding of the internet as a communications medium -- a medium where people express themselves back and forth to each other, rather than a place we go sit back and "consume." While the fight had gotten quiet lately, the good old RIAA was hard at work making sure that things were happening in the background. A bunch of folks submitted stories this weekend noting that late Friday (making it less likely to make news), the Copyright Royalty Board announced that it was adopting the royalty rates SoundExchange put forth, and making them effective retroactively to the beginning of 2006 -- meaning that many small independent webcasters are now facing a tremendous royalty bill they're unlikely to be able to afford (thanks to everyone who sent this in).That last link goes through the impact of all of this on various players -- and it's not pretty. The new rates pretty much decimate a large portion of the industry. And, it's only going to get worse, as the royalty rates increase at incredible rates ("2007's rate is a 37.5% increase over 2006; 2008 and 2009's annual increases are about 28% per year; and 2010 adds another 5.5% increase.") Of course, this is utterly backwards and damaging to the industry itself. A webcaster (especially the smaller, independent ones) is a great means of promotion for artists. It tends to attract more loyal and well-targeted audiences, who are more likely to want to later go out and buy a CD, a t-shirt or attend a concert. It lets the industry better promote material from a wider range of artists. However, in the industry's desperate need to charge for every single use, they're effectively killing off yet another wonderful promotional vehicle. The industry continues to think that it needs to do this because it wants to own all distribution and promotional avenues in order to be able to continue to take its large cut. However, that's no reason for the Copyright Royalty Board to put in place these artificial barriers that only serve to protect the recording industry's outdated understanding of its own business model.
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Bastards...
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Re: Bastards...
How about a class-action from the thousands of artists who they are effectively consigning to the "never made it" scrap-heap because no-one, or not enough people wille ver hear their music?
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Stop the RIAA!
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riaa = really insane activist assholes?
if all the musicians get their acts together, and quit dealin' w/the riaa, life would be better for all concerned.......
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Vote
...I'm just saying, that's what the word on the tubes is.
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Re: Vote
After I got done laughing from the news headlines, and the MAFIAA's belly-aching (assuming we saw news about it in such a short time), perhaps they might come up w/some real ideas instead of the BS they keep feeding people.
I haven't bought a CD or DVD in forever and I don't plan to start now, personally, I wish everyone else would do the same for a while.
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it's not about money, it's about control
if the world can just start "finding" music on it's own, there is little need for expensive management, expensive studio magic, and expensive proprietary formats. in short, there is little need for a music industry any more.
the RIAA and it's internet offshoot would just love for us to give up this internet nonsense and go back to letting the radio tell us what to buy and letting the music store tell us how to buy it.
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@$#% RIAA
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Re: @$#% RIAA
Just like the government can't make a law retroactive, you can't just make a contract or a payment retroactive. This may be a special case, but there is a case to be made.
On all other points though, just sit back and watch the next nail in the recording industries coffin.
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The RIAA are shooting them selves in the foot.
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Non RIAA music?
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Re: Non RIAA music?
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Re: Re: Non RIAA music?
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Re: Non RIAA music?
http://www.boycott-riaa.com/resources/
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Re: Non RIAA music?
Musicians that don't participate in the RIAA's reign of extortion should have a logo they can display on their website or CDs.
C'mon people, let's get this done!
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iRate radio looks interesting for independent musi
http://www.irateradio.com/
as a way of discovering independent music without having to search through everything myself.
Seems to require a bit of training initially so it can tell what you like, but if it does what it says on the tin then I think it might be just the job for easily letting me try all sorts of freely available music and happen across things I might like, which is the problem I otherwise have, of not hearing indie songs on the radio and not having any idea which of the thousands of bands out there I might like.
So I'll see how I get on with iRate, nice thing also is you automagically get all the MP3's for the songs played dropped neatly onto your hard-drive, just ready to transfer the ones you like to portable player. I'll be playing around with it a bit more, and might blog about how I get on, but if it does the trick with "discoverability" of all the music out there then I think I might not ever need major-label purchased music again.
Found the link to it I think from the Magnatune site, another group who seem to have "got it" and are trying the right kind of new approach.
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LaLa
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Fuck Riaa.
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Re: Fuck Riaa.
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Does it matter?
If they keep up this idiocy (and it does not take a rocket scientist to see that they are doing this for their benefit at the expense of the artists fan base (and thus the artists' careers), then all artists will bail from their association with these cretins as soon as they can. And then they will no longer exist.
You can only shoot yourself so many times before you eventaully get it right and actually die.....
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Re: Does it matter?
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Re: Does it matter?
The bottom line is that the RIAA did an end-around the legislative process and went straight to political apointees, who are typically easier to bribe and cajole.
The simplest, and most effective way to tell the RIAA how you feel about the issue is to pirate music. Since pirated music is still basically in a sort of legal limbo, lobby your politicians to do nothing, and to ignore the RIAA's lobbying.
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BMG=RCA=Sony
@17 and 19
The reason they can make it retroactive is that the old fee structure expired at the end of 2005, To continue being covered by the license they needed to agree that whenever a new fee was agreed to that it would be retoractive. Their option was to go dark on 12/31/2005.
Finally, this smells less like a recording industry initiative and more like a broadcast industry initiative.
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Thanks for this info. Bruce Hornsby has forums at hiw website and he actually reads them and replies often. I'm going to have to ask him whats going on. Riaaradar lists his albums as safe and boycott riaa lists him as an RIAA artist.
I hope he has a new contract or something that excludes all the RIAA crap. After all, he IS totally taper friendly and encourages free trading of his live shows. Its helped him delevlop a pretty rabid following since he's so amazing live and varies his songs so much over time.
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Re: retroactive rates
Exactly! Much like labor contracts, if the people continue to use the service without an agreed upon contract, all activity done between the end of one deal and the start of the next is going to be charged at the new rate as if there was never a break in the agreement.
I would hazard a guess that most broadcasters have been budgeting for this hit (or else they have bad accounting skills), so there shouldn't be that much of an affect on their stations.
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Re: Re: retroactive rates
If we would have known, especially the retro-active stuff, we would have never went into business in the first place.
We are paying for our radio out of our own pockets every month, because we enjoy doing what we are doing.
There is no way we can pay the fees they are asking for.
What the RIAA is doing is OUTRAGOUS!
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That's it. I've had enough!
When I was introduced to internet radiio (streaming music) and I was again exposed to fresh and new music I supported the artists (not the conglomerates) by buying CDs again. I supported the provider (radioparadise.com) with voluntary contributions.
Well, I have been fooled twice now. No more. I'm done. Do you hear me RIAA/MPAA/ClearChannel/M$? I will no longer buy your products. I will no longer listen to the drivel that you spew over the airwaves. I will not purchase DRM infected Vista. You all can choke on soon to be non existant revenue. Good riddance to you.
And in case any of the bloodsucking leaches happen to read this...I'm a 47 year old female with an annual income of 70k...One of your favored *target* groups. And believe me, I plan to evangelize my friends to this way of thinking.
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Re: That's it. I've had enough!
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This is easy to fix
We are unable to turn any profit because of the cost of running this type of operation yet RIAA sent us a bill in 2003 for $75000. Its a scam to get control of all distribution channels so that only thier content is heard.
Unless you are into the stuff you can hear on most over the air broadcasts then there really isnt much worry.
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Re: This is easy to fix
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Me too. All throughout the 80s and 90s I bought indie music by the bucketload. Now I just buy bigger hard disks and download the lot. I can't stand their tactics, so I will (and have) vote with my wallet.
I will never buy anything by a RIAA/MPAA backed media company. I absolutely LOVE Hats Off To The Busker Man album by The View but I will NEVER buy it because it's a Sony label. Until they get the picture they won't get my money. I think the last album I actually bought was direct from Nizlopi's own website. F**k the RIAA labels.
Any website I set up gets a RIAA/MPAA blocking .htaccess on it automatically.
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RE: That's it. I've had enough! by Gwen
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Protest by Donating to FightDRM.com
Will be curious to see how high the number gets. I'll even donate a dollar.
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Unsigned music is getting easier to find now days
Our Artist of the Month, is a girl from Russia, who now lives in LA. She has a Phenomonal voice. She's not signed. I love the metal genre, and all that's out there is the screamo -- I've found several "old school bands" that I regularly play on my radio show.
The RIAA will die soon enough, hopefully with a little help from me :)
Up the Irons!!
-P
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Oh yeah.."Up the Irons!!" Are you a Hammers fan?
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Re: Unsigned music is getting easier to find now d
So no matter what you do, if you want to be legal, you're paying the RIAA. Someone needs to resurrect Teddy Roosevelt and get him to bust this trust.
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Easy Fix
Sometimes its forgotten that in the end its the people with the money who buy things that have all the power. Don’t buy it and it will kill off any idiocy.
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No one needs a label deal anymore. You don't need the label's money to make a record. You don't need a label's money to manufacture and package discs anymore. You don't need a label's money for promotion. You don't need a label's money from distribution.
But a label waves a few hundred grand advance in front of a band and they sign the stupid contract.
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http://techdirt.com/articles/20070201/004218.shtml
I certainly hope not.
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From an Internet Network
1.FM has 26 Internet Radio stations that broadcast around the clock. Bringing in 32,000+ concurrent listeners every weekday.
At the new rate put forth by the CRB, our retroactive bill for 2006 is in the area of.....
$3,600,000.00
YES... $3.6 Million!!!! Just for 2006!
or about
$8,000 - 12,000/Day!!!!!
Just for soundexchange, not to mention network cost(Servers, bandwidth, ect.), which is already in the thousands a day.
This move by the CRB has one plan in mind...
Move all Internet broadcasters OUT THE WAY, and make room for the majors such as Clear Channel. Who have MAJOR money to spend and are extremely interested in the Internet Radio market.
This is totally UNFAIR!!!!!
&
Is going to force us and our competition radio networks to damn near bankruptcy, if not that!!!
EVERYONE MUST VOICE THEIR OPINION ON THIS MATTER!!!
I encourage you to visit the following site to find out more on how you can help!
http://www.savenetradio.org
Holla back. tboogie[at]wblk.com
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Re: From an Internet Network
The problem with RIAA - besides the fact that they are self serving - is that they have reached BEYOND what they have rights over. If you want keep broadcasting, maybe should retool your playlists.
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Re: Re: From an Internet Network
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Hey, do you do ANY original reporting?
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We will fight, will you help?
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Anti-competetive?
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RIAA Did This On Purpose
I feel for the 1(dot)fm guy who posted above. If a real FM station had only 32,000 listeners at any given time, that would make it a very small market station which probably only generates a 6-figure income a year. I guarantee they're not paying $3.6 million a year to the RIAA! Why can't Internet stations be treated the same as terrestrial radio stations? Obviously, the RIAA is trying to help Clear Channel and Entercom to eliminate competition.
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My overall feeling is that commercial entities (namely the Big 4 record labels) attempting to convert the Internet into a "viable cash cow" with this skewed decision consider the public trust nothing more than a line item on their balance sheets. We have the power to talk to one another like never before and the economic principle of demand has shaped itself into it's most literal form.
This new medium responds only to respect, not control. Armed with but a few basic Constitutional rights and a network, we ultimately have the power to shape today's market. You'd think by now most would be plugged in enough to adopt this as the new found conventional wisdom. Companies and organizations that wish to join us back at the bargaining table will prosper. Those that refuse will expire.
The basic flaws within this decision include a complete misunderstanding of what internet radio is by comparing it to subscription based or on-demand models. Apparently the RIAA was yet again successful in pullling the wool over a clueless panel's eyes by suggesting webcasting is flush with fees or add revenue. Not to mention the underlying implication it promote piracy.
It won't, but should this decision result in killing off the small independent webcaster....do yourself a favor and bet your bottom dollar that the record industry's sales numbers will plummet to a point barely above Davey Jones locker.
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We're still living in a democracy, aren't we?
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Then why aren't all the Slashdot anti-copyright whiners doing that?
Get off your asses and start finding the artists yourselves. Get them to release their work under GPL, or Creative Commons, or whatever (and figure out how to help them get paid, if you want them to keep creating.)
The RIAA has NO CONTROL WHATSOEVER over you, nor over artists they haven't signed -- only over their own content. And as #7 says, it's all been manufactured crap since the 70's anyway, so who cares about their catalog?
Let them sink themselves, there's nothing of value in their catalog anyhow.
Right?
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Problem is, most people who care about this issue (myself included) already are - I don't buy from RIAA artists, encourage CC listening and usage and DRM-free music.
The problem is, most other people aren't aware of the problems yet. More people are aware as services like net radio make them realise the difference between, say, ClearChannel and good independent music. That's why the RIAA are doing this - cut off the educational channels for the masses to realise what's happening.
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The RIAA are more like an out-of-control NSDAP group rather than a Stalinist Elite since they are not offiaially part of the state, do not have reserved lanes on the roads, and don't get purged. Instead, they use the threat of the law spuriously but effectively, act in the name of the law, have thier own enforcement officers, issue fines, act outside the law, but are connected to the governemnt by personal and economic ties.
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I for one will not be surprised when that starts to happen, will you? Who's writing all the big checks in this scheme, after all?
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sign the pettion
http://www.petitiononline.com/SIR2007r/petition.html sign the pettion
want more information on what you can do go here
http://www.savenetradio.org/
http://webcastersunite.net/
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RIAA out of their minds
Surely they must realize that a little bit of something is a lot better than a whole lot of nothing. As an internet broadcaster, I have paid fees even though for the most part I have lost money in this enterprise, and have really only kept doing it for two reasons: First, because it is intriguing and gives an opportunity to provide formatics unavailable or undelivered by large radio enterprises, and secondly, because I find it helpful to stay in the fray and be able to relate to the industry I serve in other capacities through my day-job.
As a long-time radio person, I have always found licensing agencies have been a bain to the industry. Ironic, since the radio business made the record industry what it is today. Without radio, billions and billions and billions of dollars would never have been generated in record and CD sales over the last 50 years.
If the RIAA goes ahead with this plan, I may be forced to move operations to the Cayman Islands. One thing is for damn sure: Nothing could be more un-American than what the RIAA is trying to do now.
The lawyers and the suits at RIAA and the Sound Exchange are going to learn in very short order about the power of the people. They have gone too far, and we need to take action as a group to stop this madness once and for all.
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another webcaster in danger of extinction
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This only affects Major Label music
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RIAA Tyranny
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The WalMartization Of Music & Radio Continues
I for one have already voiced my displeasure to the CRB, emailed my Congressmen, and posted this issue on every site I regularly visit. We need to get together to put a stop to this shit!
Here's another petition to sign- http://www.savethestreams.org
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People are missing one big issue here
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Re: People are missing one big issue here
Who is going to collect royalties on music by independent artists? And how do the proceeds make it back to the artist?
If you have some literature to back up what your saying, please link it, otherwise you might want to reread the articles.
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The warning signs were ignored
Now suddenly the music community is up in arms about the issue -- acting as if nobody could even fathom such an outcome. Err, right.
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What about outside of U.S.
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Independent Artists may benefit -- Not all Interne
However, there will still be Internet Radio, whether or not the rates are rescinded. Independent artists have been struggling to have their music heard despite the RIAA, the Big Four, and ClearChannel, and have found a way to do this through Internet Radio sites such as SongPlanet.com.
At these sites, artists who are as good as or better than many on the mainstream sites, have negotiated individual (usually royalty-free) licenses with these stations in order to get their music in the hands and ears of the audience.
Listeners should take some solace, though, knowing that great music will still exist on the Internet even if the legislation holds.
Support independent artists on Internet Radio.
Ann Nightingale
SongPlanet.com and SongPlanet Radio
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Online Radio sites may drop RIAA artists
Rob
SoundXposure.com
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Its a shame a new source of entertainment,falling
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Get A Clue!!!!
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Re: Get A Clue!!!!
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Re: Get A Clue!!!!
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Steven, you ignorant slut
How would you ever know that your physical CD sales are not higher than they would be if internet radio did not exist? How can you tell whether your sales come from net radio or traditional radio or someplace else?
Also, keep in mind that many of them ARE paying royalties today so if you are not getting any revenues now, how will higher rates affect you? It seems to me like the RIAA is retaining all of the revenues they currently receive, which further fuels the argument that this agreement does not help anyone, not even artists such as yourself! I don't think anyone has been trying to get broadcasts for free, but at least keep the current rate structure. What additional revenues will you get if all of the stations go silent?
Don
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reply to comment # 72
a Disk Jockey on the air will keep the public informed about the recorded artist it is a public service. Webcasting provides free advertising to musician their radio braodcast plays. You don’t even realize this Steven?
are you being played by a interent radio station? if so take in consideration your potential buyer will hear your song being played on a internet station and if they like what they hear will be motivated to make a purchase of your CD.
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Re: Get a clue
What better testimonial is there?
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You all know the answer.
Supposedly, album sales are down right now by 20%. Let's really make them squirm, and push their album sales down even further.
There are plenty of alternatives out there - support independent and small label musicians. Also, support artists who make their music freely downloadable. (It's a nice way to fill up an iPod without having to fear litigation from a heartless corporate machine.)
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F.U.C.K da RIAA
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Send The Swedes In
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What to do?
"Corporate Dictatorship".
What to do? We need to be polically active.
Make sure the voting stations are honest.
Try to get progressive Dems in there but we have to be careful about splitting the vote with a Nader. I like Nader but he helped make this mess by keeping Gore out of office. He wasn't a spoiler like John Anderson when Reagan won, but he never-the-less put Bush into office.
Letting our Reps know how we feel is also absolutely neccessary. Getting cantidates lined up now is needed too and DFA is a good place to put your energy. Even local offices have power and are a good place to start since we need people who can win the Sec. of State offices which control each states voting procedures and help keep them honest. That also helped lose the last two elections making this 'Corporate Dictatorship' a reality.
We need smart, articulate, and, oh yeah, clean people, ;>), who will take the plunge and run.
BlackWater is for hire by the highest bidder so storming the bastile isn't in the cards. Yet.
Watch your backs if you get involved.
My best wishes to all lovers of Freedom and music.
Sky
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I hate rich guys
I don't think radio stations should have to pay royalties. If anyone is going to be paying anybody, I think the record labels should be paying the radio stations for giving them exposure. To be honest, I think copyright laws are rediculous. I believe that the artist should be given credit for their work and be given their fair share of CD, T-Shirt, and concert ticket sales and anything else people buy from artists, but things like singing Happy Birthday in public and having to pay royalties for that or having more than 16 people in a room with a song playing and having to pay royalties is rediculous. The Copyright Royalty Board is going to continue to nickle and dime us unless we do something about it. Stop paying for CDs. Stop paying your roylaties. Don't buy ANYTHING that comes from major labels. Lets make it so the white collar people have no muscles to flex anymore. Artists don't get paid very much for their CDs anyway. Its not going to make any difference to them.
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Control by the RIAA and Clear Channel
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Boycott
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sad news
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What's the business plan?
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U SLEEP WE LIVE TO ENSLAVE YOU
Elitest Pig Dog 2 - Well then well just manipulate the laws again to show them there our slaves once again.
Elitest Pig Dog - Good Idea, lets start with the music we own that right?
Elitest Pig Dog 2 - Oh, yeah all of it and we can only let them have the brain washing stuff for free. Nothing like 12 year old girls singing britney spears.
Elitest Pig Dog - Oh I just love that we’ll restructure it to play all day on the stations we take over.
Elitest Pig Dog 2 - This should make it easier then to go after talk radio right? and videos on google like money masters? Cause we cant have the truth told to the slaves, i mean when i want a sandwich I don’t wanna have to wait or make it myself you know what I’m saying.
Elitest Pig Dog - I know just where your coming from, I had to wait 2 min. once it was hell, I think my stomach actually growled. Oh yeah and it’s all just domino’s we get this the rest will fall, there stupid and cant stand up for anything. We’ll just start another american idol up so they will watch that and we’ll move in.
Elitest Pig Dog - so then its agreed music first.
Elitest Pig Dog 2 - Aye, to the law system we created to further enslave!
Elitest Pig Dog - Tally HO!
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Ineternet Radio & the RIAA
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Broadcasting in UK
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Party is Over for Free Music
Traditional FM radio staitons are not needed to promote airplay of artists' songs, if it means a free ride of no royalty payment. We have a great new invention that can do that, the Internet. Pay up boys!
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Greed
While unrelated to the music industry, Financial institutions, lending organizations (all in MY wheelhouse), even most retail outlets are bound by regulations requiring sufficient and timely notification to consumers regarding intended increases to ongoing contractual obligations, NONE of which are permitted to be “retroactive” to ANY previous date, certainly not YEARS past! I am a trained fraud examiner, and have a good sense of when something stinks! As of this writing, I am not aware of any (American) company (notwithstanding pharmaceuticals) that can ambiguously AND retroactively increase fees to a nondescript level, and hold out any disclosure of said fee increases until the user (in this case, internet broadcasters) are buried in a post disclosure of what will amount to a nightmare of sudden and retroactive DEBT!! People that operate like this are generally associated with names like “Lefty” , “Noodles” and/or “Knuckles”! Litigation and legislation intentionally being kept from the public eye is a major red flag! One might even use “A red flag of Astronomical proportions”. It raises questions as to WHY this is all being hidden from the public eye? Why are they being so covert? Is it possibly because the last time this kind of thing came out, there was such an outcry from the PUBLIC that these “Pros” lost the case? That’s exactly what I smell in this whole thing, with the eventual goal being to BURY all internet broadcasters in favor of those who are slipping envelopes of money under the fence to the lawmakers, assuring that this legislation get passed in a “middle of the night caucus” before a single person in the public even KNOWS it’s there. Better yet, why is no one ELSE asking these questions?
This action will also set a precedent which will no doubt lead to a financial nightmare for consumers of goods and services from most ANYONE, i.e., if they get this passed…ANYONE can (and will) do the same thing. It’s inevitable.
This whole mess NEEDS to go public! Personally, I’m really sick of being threatened. Someone needs to start throwing on the lights while these wharf rats are undermining foundation of the docks! It’s time to turn the wharf lights on. Let’s bring this subterfuge out into the light so the PUBLIC is aware it’s been steeping in the back rooms, hidden in the thick, dark, choking stench of the night, well out of the public’s view.
What’s next? If you’re out driving, pull up to a stop light, roll your window down and people standing on the street corner HEAR the song being played in your car…you (by law) are required to count all the people within earshot, and submit a “royalties check”?? When will this greed END?
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