Microsoft: When We Said Microsoft Vista Capable, We Didn't Mean For All The Important Stuff
from the false-advertising dept
Microsoft has now been sued, after letting PC makers certify their computers as "Windows Vista Capable" for new purchasers -- only to find out that most of Vista's advertised features don't actually work on some of those machines. Instead, to be labeled as Vista Capable, the machines just had to reach a bare minimum of feature support -- much less than what many people were led to believe by the "Vista Capable" certification. While Microsoft may have followed the letter of the law in the way this was pitched, it still makes for an extremely poor marketing strategy, because the only thing it's likely to do is piss off a lot of people who wanted to buy Microsoft's latest operating system and now can't.
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I'm not sure what your experience is with salespeople, but my experience is that they know very little of the machines they are selling.
Incidentally, does Dell even have salespeople? I thought they don't sell through retail?
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Sucks ass
It does not know how to deal with lower-case "jpg" versus upper-case "jpg" extensions, so that can only be changed manually from the shell. The "sidebar" feature that they are so proud of is just a waste of screen space -- it adds nothing to the task manager bar. I turned it off by removing it from the registry.
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Re: Sucks ass
Adobe Photoshop opens all my graphic files, no matter how I case the extensions. Vista installed in next to no-time, with little prompting from me. The dreamscape background is a great feature. (Yes, I know I can do the same with VLC, but I like that Vista automatically takes care of it.) I haven't had a single virus, worm, etc. Nor a single problem with ANY hardware/software.
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Re: Sucks ass
"The menus all look like a kindergarten version, with huge icons, and as far as anyone knows, it's impossible to make it stop displaying huge icons. The windows explorer is less convenient, having removed the "up directory" button, and forcing the root directory to be the Desktop."
I'm not real sure which "HUGE" icons you're referring to, considering Windows doesn't actually have any menus, other than the start bar, which you can change the properties of, so that you don't have to use large icons...
And, regarding having removed the "up directory" button goes... look at your freakin' address bar, fool! Yeah, they got rid of the up directory button... But, the also added a much more functional tool, which allows you to go up multiple levels at a time... So, quit acting like an old person, and take 5 minutes to understand your new software, before you decide that you hate it. We live in an "adapt or be replaced" society... So, get out of the way, because you seem rather reluctant to adapt.
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Its not Microsoft's fault..
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And this news....
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Vista Capable
When, in the history of MS, has the first releases of ANYTHING not had problems? When has any OS or major app release not needed multiple patches in the first few months? When have the PC vendors not bent the truth about what is needed to run an OS?
I'd love to buy a new computer (I'm salivating for dual cores), but I won't do it until Vista has been allowed to settle out for a few more months.
I just don't get why the public in general doesn't seem to learn from history - brand new stuff, ESPECIALLY computers, has problems when first introduced. That's the reality. Why don't people know this?
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How quickly we forget...
We never learn, do we?
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Re: Vista Capable
Someone who doesn't know much about computers and has seen _any_ Microsoft marketing. That's their target customer.
The fact of the matter is, as with most things, unless you are educated well above average as a computer customer, you are going to get ripped off.
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Vista
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Re: Vista
People in the tech field all know of the "It'll run, but..." around general OS and hardware pairing. Joe Sixpack talking with a BestBuy blue-shirt-idiot will get a half-ass line, and then be ticked when his shiny steel beauty doesn't measure up to actually run the "cool" things in Vista.
There is something to buyer beware. However, MS and other hardware vendors are being pretty sleazy in their push to Vista by doing this. They all know better, they're just doing this to get the upgrade path money flowing.
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Re: Vista
Vista is far from stable and the only reason it stays running for any length of time at all is because 90% of the apps you might run on it are not compatible.
I too have been using vista (longhorn) for years, but never on a primary machine. It's far to flaky and incompatible to be used in the real world. Just the memory issues make it impossible to be implemented in a serious business environment without causing the IT staff to have a coronary. As a test, we implemented a single box into general staff hands. The result was spending 10x more time on that box then all the rest running in the office due to incompatibility issues and general instability in the print spool. After everything was said and done, that system is STILL causing us problems.
Vista is for people who don't know anything about third party software and want something that looks cool. It is a horrible waist of memory when you are working on large projects, the graphics are slow and hardware intensive, and the functionality that was added is just filler for the most part. We will not be going to Vista or the new office in the near future, and we are actually looking to start phasing MS products out (starting with office) in the next year or two.
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What if your car says "Extra-Power diesel capable" (or whatever Shell is calling it) and you fill up the tank with that stuff, and suddenly you find that while your car runs... it only run about 60 km per hour?
Whereas with regular diesel you could drive at least 120 km per hour?
It would be false advertising, wouldn't it?
You would expect it to go even better, because it says it's capable of using extra-power diesel.
Now apply this to the computers.
It says "Windows Vista capable" on it. You see all that advertising about the Wow-factor with Vista. And you want that too, and figure "Okay, I have a Vista capable machine, it should run that too, wouldn't it?"
But then you find out that yes, you can have Vista on it, but without the Wow-factor. If you're honest, you'd be pissed off, wouldn't you? Because you've been fed false advertising.
Now, whose fault it is, I don't really care. However, I do know that MS provided the stickers, and provided the minimum system-requirements.
It's all about expectations not being met here.
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Anti-Vista
If your are game addicted, then you are going to have to load XP anyway ;-)
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I suspect they will, esp on the new octo-core Mac Pro.
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Way off...
Think about this: Make a product that works for millions of people on millions of different and unknown configurations. This product needs to work nearly 100% of the time. It also has to work with millions of different kinds of people (cultures, languages etc..) And do all this within 2 years.
This is no simple task by any means. I don’t think there is a company out there that has this kind of pressure. Vista does and will have its problems for months to come. But just as XP was initially a POS, Vista is also. (I used Win 2K pro for a few years after XP was released for this reason.) It’s slow, has many odd issues and has many "extras" that are completely useless. Once again, the product is designed for the world. They did and are doing a good job under the circumstances. If you hate MS it’s because you are jealous of their success.
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XP was ready but YOU felt YOU needed to wait cause "XP was just an upgrade to W2K" in your ignorant mind, and YOU felt YOU needed to tow the geek line because YOURE so smart and all who used XP were so dumb.
Ill bet you didnt broadcast to the world when you did upgrade to XP as you felt neccasary to do when XP was first released? YOU felt the world needed YOUR advice then just as now.
We all got along just fine despite the millions of 12 yr olds telling us differently, just as we will now. Sadly we have to hear the same (now 17 yr olds) spewing the same nonsense once again.
And only a complete retard would suggest any distro of Linux as an XP replacement. If YOU really believed this you would never have had XP installed on your machine to begin with, so just stfu about it already we know the truth and it has little to do with PC and everything to do with narccism.
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Read your post and you will find the amusing irony of this quoted section.
BTW, I use Linux almost exclusively. Then again I am not a gamer (anymore). Now there are definite things that run better on Windows... I just don't remember them currently. I believe you will find that scenario in every domain.
Why oh why must we live in a world of fanboys?
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xp SP2 released
Unplug & pray
XP opens all ports by default
or... windows messenger, and ignore the windows live messenger responses... because they are part of a cover-up tactic to reduce the hits on the flaws... and focus the hits on a success.
Just the last app there... the "built in feature" to windows that allowed spam and popups thru often before you could get you machine configured. Couple that with the remote desktop features and "live assistance" that was poorly secured and not only was it unstable, but it was dangerous... in that Personal Identity theft sorta way.
The FBI got involved on the UPNP service and sent out bulletins for everyone to kill that function due to the threats it presented to secure information.
XP Stable on release hahaha, no need to read the comics today... got my laugh right there.
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"If you hate MS it’s because you are jealous of their success."
You forgot to add the equally logical, "if you don't like MS, it is because yo mama so fat.
Some people do not like Microsoft because of the products, service, and behavior of Microsoft. Indeed there are people who hate Microsoft for unknown reasons (because perhaps, it is popular in certain circles to do so).
However, the later group's logic is the same as the fanboys who make such absurd assertions as the original poster did.
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I feel for you brother. Well as much as I can sympothize.
I use Python and so can't be bothered with that.
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I'm not surprised I'm the only person who thinks this way but... a company like utopic one you discribe above DOES exist, I'm sure I'll get 5hit for this, but the Apple Computer company fills all of those obligations AND on a much more regular, shorter timescale. Anyody who is complaining about their computers not working well or OSs or whatever, if you're on a PC, your problems will be solved on a Mac. No, I dont work for Apple, but I am a 18yr Mac user who is understands that you get what you pay for.
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There are a few problems with MAC's that they would have to get past to become a viable option for most companies/people. Right now they work great for people who are not overly computer oriented and want something that just works. The problem rears it's head when people start expecting it to do other things and be more upgradeable. Granted in the last few years MAC has come a long way as far as losing some of the proprietary hardware, but it's still not mainstream enough for large scale application.
Once you get into customizing the OSX system to suit your needs, you would have been just as well off to go with a linux install... since they are very similar but with most linux distro's being far more flexible.
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The one thing MS is tasked to do is to make boatloads of money for its shareholders. I would say it does this one thing rather well.
As for putting out a good, usable OS, the jury is still out on that one...
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I was under the impression that developing Vista took longer than two years.
Other than that, fair comments.
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yeah.
Other than that and my computer only having 1gb of memory on it, I use Vista Ulitmate primarly for gaming, and it runs as nice as I expected it..
For the games that don't run well on vista that I play, I have it set up to dual boot with XP... so no problem.
As far as the security that keeps popping up, I can live with it. It's aimed at the morons who install everything that pops up on their computer without asking, or those who never question what a site is trying to install...
Some linux distros have security similar to this (but not as annoying) as well, and kudos to Microsoft for finally not having people finally not running everything as an administrator... (I am also not trying to start a linux vs windows war, I use ubuntu also, and like the options I have with it)
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Brilliant communication skills. Perhaps mommy never taught you to act more respectful. It isn't too late to learn.
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I'm sorry that the definition is not acceptable to you when it refers to somebody who blindly allows everything they come across to be installed on their computer.
Those people deserve the adware/spyware/malware/viruses that are installed on their computer.
Come on. "Brilliant communication skills"? My post is what you're attacking? Look at you! You have absolutely nothing to say on the topic, so you're attacking people's posts.
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Where is the problem?
However, who honesly want's to buy Vista.... Most of us are more upset that they are not giving us the option to stick with XP on new PC's
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Bills Assistant?
I was just making a point that there are companies out there that make things way more important than OS's that actually kill people when they have problems. Take cars for instance. There was one a while back that leaked CO2 into the passenger compartment slowly killing people as they drove around. Now that’s a problem. Vista has odd little problems, oh waaa.. just don’t use it until they fix the damned thing. Buy a new PC, download XP from a torrent and use your key from your old PC. Wait for Vista to be fixed then upgrade again with the key your new PC came with.. Nothing to hard about that.
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it really is that bad
the problem is not that they have to design a computer for a million people and a million configurations. They seem to do that well. It is their innovation that just downright sucks. They have two kinds of features, those stolen from macs (gadgets? zoom out window viewing?), and those that are more of a hassle than anything (deny or allow?)
Obviously there are going to be bugs, and I find that acceptable, but you have to have a quality product where people will actually want to contribute to improving your software. And now for the real bashing: Welcome to the beginning of the end for this shit company. Inventing was never its strong suit.
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Carbon Monoxide is what kills people, CO.
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What???
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Music to my ears.
Why do I care? Because once people migrate to Linux in droves, hardware vendors will finally be forced to give support to Linux developers, and game designers will be forced to consider cross-platform programming. Then I will be happy.
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Vista blows and always will...
Or, order PC with no OS. Put in (distro of your choice) Linux CD. Install.
To all you M$ Billy Boy wankers who keep saying Vista is the best thing since sliced bread... You are morons. How much did Billy pay you to come here and say a bunch of utter BS? VI$TA is $hit! Total and pure $hit. And I don't think it's going to be like XP where it sucked at first launch but got better 2 years later. Vista is nothing but a bloated OS designed for complete morons. I'll stick with XP (for games) and Mepis Linux (everything else), thanks.
Problem solved.
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Re: Vista blows and always will...
I am going to practice a bit of "self policing" here.
Please good sir, would you just be quiet and never post to anything anywhere? I use Linux and Open Source proudly and do not want to be associated with your ilk. Please practice some maturity and self control. Your approach to communication tells the world that you have inner turmoil and are trying to convince yourself of the claims you make. Perhaps you secretly love Microsoft and wish Linux would emulate it.
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Re: Vista blows and always will...
2 important questions:
_How_ much RAM does Vista use?
_Why_ does it need that much?
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Why complain?
I don't understand all the complaints about Vista. There is a very simple solution: Don't upgrade. If you bought Vista and find you don't like it, I'm not sure what you were thinking. Every electronics store has computers set up with Vista installed so you can TRY IT first. Who the hell buys a $200 piece of software they know nothing about and installs it on their computer?
As for the "important stuff" that Vista Basic does not include, I hardly think the graphical goodies count as "important." Do a little research. The OS was rewritten. The OS IS the important stuff.
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Vista
3.0Ghz P4
1G PC3200 Ram
128M ATI Radion 9800
If I remember correctly that is the minimum requirements for all the visual effects. Except Vista is supposed to run on 1Ghz. I have had no problems with it. It looks great on my 21in CRT monitor. I can also play Half Life 2 (with graphics all the way up) with no video glitches. I am surprised at how well Vista runs.
As for "Vista Compatible" I could have said that when I first saw the sticker. Compatible just meas it will work. that's it.
And a mouse is optional. even in vista.
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I'd like to see
Now MS comes out with a brand new OS that requires a gig of ram. Not to mention its own built in CPU hog to rescan your machine as each file is used.
How about we design something that works well... and build upon that success... not re-invent the wheel every few years and make everyone buy new wagons.
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That popping sound you will hear in a few minutes is YOUR head coming out of YOUR ass :)
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That popping sound you will hear in a few minutes is YOUR head coming out of YOUR ass :)
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Vista?
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Bloat for Bloats sake
And yeah, it must be hard to write software that works on millions of computers and configurations. Thats part of the reason that Kleenex doesn't manufacture Jet engines. They aren't good at it. M$ simply fails to recognize their skills, and their non-skills.
When will people learn that software usually sucks when it is first released? As soon as the marketing gurus at M$ figure out that they can't write their way out of a wet paper bag! People are stupid, and you can't blame M$ for taking advantage of them.
People who want to use their computers safely, reliably, efficiently and get things done are not having Vista problems. Those people use Macs. Macs don't get viruses, they dont have annoying pop-ups, you can customize them to look and work exactly how you want them to, and your Mac will never give up, and claim that it needs some software that hasn't been written yet.
I have never had to 'patch' my Mac OS, since the Macintosh II. I have never had a Mac virus, and I have never installed virus protection. Every Mac I have ever owned worked great right out of the box, and the ones that I still own, still work.
I have owned many PC's, and even my newest XP-Pro based PC is a piece of dung. I have never opened my PC and not found a pop-up that says I need to download and install updates.
Oh, you just bought your $399 PC and upgraded to Vista, hoping to be able to play video games? Dude, you aren;t looking for a computer, you need a Playstation. My Playstation handles games perfectly. No OS needed. No video card upgrade required. My old PS1 games still work on my PS2.
Summary:
Buy a Mac for computing, buy a Playstation for gaming, and let morons who need to feel lkike they are part of pop-culture buy a Dell with Vista, and bitsh and moan about it for the next 2 years. Suckers.
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LOL
"I have never had to 'patch' my Mac OS, since the Macintosh II. I have never had a Mac virus, and I have never installed virus protection."
You might be lucky then. OSX has had many patches, often security related.
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My computer runs fine, I'd actually say it runs better. There isn't any great amount of ram being used while it's idle. (about 680mb which is what xp was using) and the security warnings took all for 30s to disable.
I'm sure everyone here knew that computers needed to meet a certain standard in order to be able to fully utilize the new interface. When you upgrade from XP you are prompted to verify that your computer can run vista via the upgrade assistant and you are given details about any possible problems with your system.
If people didn't follow the steps or ignored the warnings then that's their problem. I'm no M$ lover; not by a long shot... but I'm thinking a lot of the anti-vista sentiment is largely unfounded.
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perhaps you misunderstand me... and your entitled to. The truth doesn't require your belief to be true.
you don't need Vista, you don't need the latest greatest whatever to function on the internet. I AM running a couple of Win2k machines, as well as maintaining several winxp machines on the network at my wife's office.
I WILL run what I choose... and MS is driving away customers with their constant need to "bundle" everything under the sun (including software not innovated by themselves) to the point that current machines won't work any longer.
Xp with specific adjustments and third party programs is working fine... why not improve upon it rather than rewrite it? Why release a "New" buggy product to make my customers ask if their perfectly functioning machines need to be replaced?
Greed is the answer. They know ram is cheap... so they're going to eat all you can afford. HD space is cheaper by the day... so lets consume a few gig of it now, and a few gig more with future updates.
Now... why your offended at me is still a mystery. Maybe your just a jackass who felt like my simple comment needed your flamage to harden it. It doesn't.
That popping sound you thought I heard was the last bit of manners you had giving up on your insulting self.
Run what you like... don't gloat because you can afford the shiny crap they try to sell you every day.
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Mac...
Windows has a HUGE client base all with different needs. They also have a plethora of hardware and software vendors developing for it. That is a daunting task for anyone.
If you don't like Windows, stop using it, stop being able to use any program you want, and switch to Mac or the even more "obvious" choice for a desktop OS - linux.
.NET > java (side-tangent)
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Personally
M$ SUCKS! Linux only!
OK. Linux works great, stable, unfortunately until only 2 or three versions become industry standard and manufacturers are willing to support it I'm afraid it's a pipe dream. Most casual users need plug and play believe it or not. Not command line interface just to get your GUI up.
"Apple products are elite."
Apple products rock for video, art and music production but lack when it comes to gaming.
"Buy a console then."
I really don't want a console for gaming due to lack of flexibility. You can't really add maps/mods/etc.. to a console unless they are console manufacturer approved and most likely you need to purchase them.
"Apple dosen't patch their OS"
Apple doesn't patch their OS? Ok.
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/
Why are there security patches listed??
Steve Jobs is doing a Jedi Mind trick. "You see no flaws in our products. These are not the driods you seek."
Not to say the dark side is any better but when they get caught with a flaw they try to fix it all the way.
http://news.com.com/Mac+OS+X+patch+faces+scrutiny/2100-1002_3-6046588.html
OK. I am donning my flame retardent suit. Let me have it.
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The Ultimate test IMHO
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Actually yes there is. I am assuming you didn't know such keyboards exist, but it is still amusing... to me at least.
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But surely you can understand the humor there.
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As far as this whole discussion goes, my machines will never again run an MS OS. I currently keep a copy of IE6 on my Ubuntu Edgy machine to test webpages due to IE's non-standards compliance. I'm running on a 1.3 GHz proc, 768 MB mem, Intel i855 integrated graphics machine. Visually, Vista can't even come close to matching the visual effects I have running - most of which actually have a use other than eye candy. No, MS lost a customer with Vista, and I'll never look back.
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If you don't like Vista...
Just call the MS telephone number for Key support and they will give you one. I have been a part of the BETA test for Vista since they started it and I still run XP.
The main reason is that I am sick of OS's and Programs always wanting your attention. Whatever I am doing on the computer at the time is what I want to do. I hate all of the balloons and notifications about stupid inane things. If nothing bad is happening then don't interrupt me.
And for all of the fans of MS, Mac, and Linux I say no one has done it right. I know and run all three. Three different versions of MS OS', Two different versions of Mac OS, and five different distros.
It is time someone rethinks the OS and really makes one that does what it should the way it should. I think someone should do what Bill Gates did in the eighties and steal all the good parts from all the OS' out here now and make a truely good OS. One that protects the average user from his/her own stupidity, allows those that really know it to do what they want, and just does it's thing in the background which is where the is suppose to be.
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PS: when will ReactOS be...idk what word to use, but, a big deal? their idea sounds really good, but right now.... heh, i'd take a linux distro over that, and thats saying a lot from me.
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Vista < XP
DRM - processing is always on, so even non-protected content is queried.
UAC - is a joke. Closing the holes rather then spamming about their usage would be preferable.
There is this nasty habit that some developers exhibit, specifically they seem to ignore the fact that their code runs on the users machine. And fail to respect that fact. Simply by providing means for users to disable "features' they may decide doesn't provide any benefit, would provide that respect. Vista's DRM is an excellent example of such a "feature". It provides no benefit to users, rather a encumbrance at best.
The DRM implementation, and other similar ham fisted "features" provide ample reason not to use Vista.
Vista Do Less with More.
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Vista will be added to the scrap heap of things yo
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Vista will be added to the scrap heap,
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Never mind that, we're talking about people who bought computers on a "promise" that it will be compatible with vapourware. sheesh......
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Not impressed
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M$ Vi$ta
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Eye Candy
But guess what? I can get PCLinuxOS running Beryl with true 3D and translucency effects, spinning 4 desktops in a cube around a moving skydome in the background, whilst burning a CD and running Firefox. And the whole system (ie system files as opposed to personal files) installs in around 2Gb. I've added loads of software and it still comes in under 3.5Gb.
So when I get my "Vista Capable" computer, you can bet I'll be setting it free to fly...
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Ha!
"Think about this: Make a product that works for millions of people on millions of different and unknown configurations. This product needs to work nearly 100% of the time. It also has to work with millions of different kinds of people (cultures, languages etc..) And do all this within 2 years."
They sell the computer and the software that goes with that computer.. That leaves no room for error, they have the perfect setup. Lets make a string that only ties to our pole, we know it will work because we have the pole right here! Mac has always had a flawed business model. They will always be the underdog because of that model. Heres an idea, Apple should ditch OS whatever and go with Linux, open up that market. That would blow MS out of the water pretty quick.
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Let's sue everyone
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The PC makes have no choice BUT to slap "Works with Windows" on their boxes so as to allow a lower Windows Tax for themselves. It doesn't matter to them or Microsoft if the target demographic has enough information to make an intelligent purchase.
Microsoft is a company tnat includes those silly "Vista Upgrade" vouchers as a valid retail sale to make their claim for "20 million sold". As long as MS is deceptive, they will be sued. Who HASN'T sued them to this point?
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I saw it written once (regarding partnering with Microsoft) that there were only two types of companies that partner with Microsoft:
1. Those that have daggers in their backs
2. Those that will.
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Don't install beta software
Get a Mac instead.
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wow...
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mac or pc
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fan boys
But as a techy person I went to Microsoft's site and had a hell of a time finding out EXACTLY what specs were needed to run AERO on Vista. They give you the minimum requirements to run Vista with "*" all over on the cool features.
I like Microsoft, but I will say the new Vista scheme of all these different packages is very hard to understand. For the normal user I'd say it's about impossible to understand.
As for the security features.. I'm sure people will just click "Allow" on everything, because they don't know any better. I'm not sure how that will make it more secure.
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imagine
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It's crashy, buggy, over-priced BETA ware
Using a new HP printer, it wouldn't even allow me to print from it's OWN MS Works 8. Vista was at fault. Finally there was a patch for that from Microsnoft. By the way, Vista makes any of your hardware or peripherals from about 2000 and earlier extinct, Vista will NOT recognize them anymore. Read that to mean go buy all new printers, scanners, etc.
Getting drivers is a picnic, and trying to install some older software just crashes the machine.
It's frustrating and obscene that Micro$oft demands $250 for this half-completed pile of $hit. The price is only worth it if MS returned five dollars for YOUR time every time you had to download some asinine patch or spend time updating something. Who could make any excuses for something like this and expect us to waste our time repairing their reject products over and over?!
There have been about a dozen patches and driver upgrades so far in one month.
If you have dial up, forget it, you'll never have enough bandwidth to accommodate all the sizable updates.
If you're dead set on getting Vista, at least wait a while until some more of the bugs are worked out.
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Vista
You're clearly young- I'm guessing mid-teens- or else haven't used PCs for so long. Those with more than a fleeting experience with them remember changing from Win98 to WinXP. Or Win95 to Win98. Or 3.11 to 95. Or 3.11 - 95 - 98 - 2000AS - XP.
When WinXP was released, people - including me - said "WinXP sucks for games, reliability, driver support and it's interface looks like it was designed by Duplo.". When they started using GUIs the Mac fanatics were all "ooh, you stole our features" (actually first used by xerox, I believe). And all the while, Linux has been "just about ready for home users- change today and stop being an M$ wh0re!" when really it isn't. I've been using it on and off for years- around a decade now, actually- and found it a kick-ass OS until I wanted to play games or quickly get a new feature added.
Windows doesn't suck. Macs don't suck... too much. Linux rocks, but is nowhere near ready for the consumer market.
Though Vista is waaay overpriced, I've NEVER had to "recompile the kernel" or anything. Hell, it even works with my old (bought for a Win98 machine when that was new) TV card, with OLD drivers.
Linux + decent gaming would rock. Though if I remember right, WINE lets HL2 and the like play quite nicely.
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As for the gaming, well, I wish open frag would move along a bit faster. Anyone want to help me convince the people at Nexuiz and Tremulous dev to port? ethana2@gmail.com
Once that happens, I won't look back at all. Ever. By the way, feel free to contact me for any information you may want about switching to Linux or OSS in general. It's always a shame for someone to have to put up with M$'s antics for want of a single feature they have not found an open implementation of yet.
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