MPAA Claims That Anti-Camcording Effort Made People Go See Spider-Man 3?
from the logic?--in-la-la-land,-we-don't-need-logic... dept
We know that the MPAA is really into trying to stop camcording of movies these days, even though it's a tiny (and shrinking) problem for the industry, but it's really a bit bizarre to hear MPAA chief Dan Glickman claim with a straight face that it's because of these anti-camcording efforts that Spider-Man 3 had such a huge opening. For the type of fans who go out to see such a movie on opening weekend, the download isn't a substitute. If anything, it's a complement. Just like when the last Star Wars film came out, fans download the movie, but still want to enjoy the experience of seeing it in the theater with a huge group of other fans. Plus, of course, basic logic should tell you that the camcording crackdown had nothing to do with the large opening. Whoever was doing the camcording couldn't have done it until the movie opened anyway. On top of that, as soon as one decent camcorded version made it to the net (as at least a few did), then it's infinitely available and it doesn't really matter if the industry stopped every other camcording attempt. However, this is the MPAA we're talking about, and if they can't get their math right, I guess it's no surprise that their logic skills are weak as well.
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Audible Sigh
I know my taste doesn't speak for all, but there have been some shite "big" movies the past 7 years.
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The size doesn't necessarily make them better, but clearly, viewing a film meant to be shown on a 40ft wide screen, taped by someone holding a camcorder under his arm is hardly going to provide the same experience.
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That's that stupidest logic I've heard in qutie a while, do you work for the MPAA?
If a film is shit the screen it's shown on will not impact me. It might impact people like you who seem to be swayed by the pretty lights.
Idiot.
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So what you are saying is...
FWIW I have never seen a camcorder-copy of a movie, now has anyone I know admitted to having or seeing one. So from where I am standing this is a storm in a teacup.
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I'll have what they're having!
And Mark was right. Most of the so-called hit movies of the last decade have been real shite and not worth the price of admission. Make some good movies and the customers will line up at the movie house door. Or you can keep dishing us out horse trailer crap and then keep whining about movie pirates.
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nice...
P.S. Spider-Man 3 wasn't anything to write home about. I was forced to see opening weekend because my girlfriend liked the series. It was decent, but not 150million good. It was a huge success, in my opinion, because there weren't any other blockbuster movies out at the time, not because it was such a awesome movie.
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No wonder MPAA acts like a bunch of drunk monkeys ..
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Plus you pick up all the ambient noise like cell phones ringing and audience members coughing.
Some times I think the MPAA is way out of touch with reality. Maybe next week they'll come out with the discovery that the earth is the center of the universe.
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huh that's interesting to hear
Yet I was able to watch a good version of SM3 on the internet within 12hours of it's theatrical release....
Maybe the big ticket sales could have something to do with the fact that everybody is calling this movie the BEST of the trilogy? I mean come on.. VENOM WAS IN THE MOVIE, why wouldn't people go. That IS Spiderman... Venom!
I love stupid people....
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The only thing that matters is what the MPAA can fool the lawmakers into believing, and they are easily fooled and cheaply bought.
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Woof WOof
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The context is very very odd and out of place.
I am going to guess that this was just a part of some sort of leveraged strategy on MPAAs part. It seemed like this was more of a public "Thank you" to whoever helped get that camming law passed.
The MPAA must be getting ready to make another ask. In any case, grab your knees, and get ready to loose more consumer rights!
-fmn
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f the cam corded movies
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say what??
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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
That basically says you can't be searched in your home if they don't have a good reason. It has literaly nothing to do with camcorders and movies.
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Re: U dont get it
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People are retards if they think cam jobs are the ONLY releases. There are often DVD screeners, both DIVX rips or full DVD rips plus a shit load of other copies varying in quality.
I think this myth is perpetuated by the MPAA and the masses suck it up their arseholes like God told them it was true.
Idiots.
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It's convenient to be an AC when you're talking out of your ass...
People are retards if they think cam jobs are the ONLY releases
"Cam jobs" usually are the only releases when a movie hits the theaters, it's only later on, closer to the DVD release, that DVD screeners, (closely followed by the full retail DVD) become available.
The only accurate part of your post is that said (later) releases are available as full DVD rips. The vast majority is also available as XviD rips, not as DIVX.
Idiots.
The feeling is very mutual
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LA
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IMAX
Stick people in shoeboxes with screens that seem scarcely larger than those in their home theater... and they won't.
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BTW, I was in SE Asia in 1998 and yeah the DVDs were questionable. Low light, crap sound. But in those 9 years, some, not all mind you reproduce copies with some pretty damn stunning clarity. I have one guy I go to regularly and he hasn't let me down in 4 years. He guarantees his dvds. If I ever have a problem I can return them, which Best Buy or others won't even do. BTW none of my friends, not a single one buys legitimate dvds in Asia. They are 100% pirated.
But here's the thing. I'm not a fan of piracy. I'm a fan of movies. That's what the MPAA doesn't get. If I had around $30 grand lying around I'd tear up my basement and put in a mini theatre. One day I will. But until then I have to put up with theatres to get a real theatre experience. So instead of worrying about piracy, how about putting your heads together with stuios and theatre chains on how to create a better movie going experience and get me in there more often. Disney theme parks has a 70% retention rate. 70%! They have an extremely anal focus on customer service and attention to detail. Take a clue from Disney's playbook instead of just looking at the bottom line and lining your own pockets with an outdated business model.
FYI, by the time the Venom comics came out I stopped reading Spiderman. So I was into Spiderman way before Venom. They went to that storyline too soon IMHO. Yeah everybody was clamoring for Venom, but there's Shocker, Scorpian, Kraven the Hunter, Medusa, Blackcat, etc. etc. Spiderman existed way before Venom, and Venom being in the movie didn't fix all the problems with it. It's not a bad movie by any means, but best in the series? I'd say it's the worst. But I'd still pay to see it, even after the fact.
My last point. I've dabbled in filmmaking. It is a bloated overpriced process. Hollywood could easily reduce the cost of making movies, even blockbusters like Spiderman IF they really wanted to.
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Got it in one
You just destroyed the MPAA's argument with that one sentence.
Thank you.
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Back it up
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Always nice to hear from you, as you always post something vehemently anti-Techdirt.
Can you back up your statement about "camming" being a "shrinking problem" or are you just talking out of your ass as always?
We pointed earlier to research about how camcorded movies are increasingly a minor issue, as most leaks that you find online are actually leaks from insiders at the studios. I'll let you do the search for it, since you seem to like hanging out here so much...
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LOL!
Paul, there is plenty of evidence to back up that claim. Back in the day, many people took camcorders in order to increase the distribution rate in various regions of the country. Now, many movie pirates have retired since the Internet propagates one good copy to the whole world via YouTube and various torrent sites. I suggest you show us evidence that theater movie recording is in fact a growing problem.
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movies
id rather milk a black man than go watch a movie in a theater
thank you MPAA for making me make hard choices
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If Hollywood never makes another massive special effects extravaganza, I won't shed a single tear.
The innovators, the creative people, will figure out a way to get their work before an audience, and they'll figure out how to get paid for it. The current system is so out of whack that nothing can save it. Anybody who's old enough to remember the great independent movies of the 70s can tell you that the Age of the Blockbuster hasn't brought us better movies, just more expensive disappointments. Like the music industry, Hollywood cannot be saved.
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THATS JUST CRAP
just google it and you will get the results
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Camcording the movie might be shrinking, but that doesn't mean that pirating is getting any better (or worse, depending on your point of view.)
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Jolly Rogered!
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