Amway/Quixtar Sues Web Critics
from the multi-level-lawsuits? dept
Direct marketing firm Quixtar, which some people may recognize as the online arm of well known multi-level marketing firm Amway, has apparently sued 30 anonymous online critics who disparaged the company on blogs and in YouTube videos. Quixtar is claiming that the attacks are from a group of former "distributors" who later sued the company. The distributors are currently under court order not to disparage the company -- so if these posts and videos are from them, it would be a violation of the court order. Of course, if it turns out these aren't from those distributors, then it just makes Quixtar look like a big bully. Actually, that seems likely either way. Apparently, one of the videos concerns a guy showing how Quixtar's products are much more expensive than buying the same products at a grocery store. It's hard to see how that's "disparaging" if it's factually true. Anyway, if Quixtar is trying to hide critical videos about the company, it probably has a long way to go. A quick search suggests there are an awful lot of folks out there posting negative videos about the company.
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The "culture" is just another money-making scam from these companies. In many cases selling product is secondary; there is more money to be made from giving speeches, selling tapes, hosting conventions, and all of the other by-products of the amway/quixtar scams.
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Quixtar are a bunch of crooks
I was young and eager to make a quick buck, and one of their jackals approached me at my retail job.
My wife and I actually went and met with him and his wife for "coffee". They tried to come over to our apartment, but we called a rescheduled it a local coffee shop just in case we wanted to make a quick exit.
Anyway long story short, I found out it was a scam from talking to friends and co-workers, and the guy hounded me for about a month until I had to tell him to f' off after I found him waiting by my car after work.
See, he gave me some pamphlets, on our first meeting, that he absolutely needed again, so he kept insisting we have to meet for him to pick those, but actually just wanted some more face to face conversations to talk about how rich he was going when it "finally took off" for him and how rich I would be.
He was a real lifer, going to all the conferences (on his own dime), buying all the books and other crap.
Knowing what I know now about the scam, I felt bad for him.
It's the guys he was buying all the books from that were getting rich. He was just a patsy.
I feel sorry for anyone who has fallen into the Quixtar trap.
It's a total pyramid scam, and I recommend anyone and everyone to steer clear of these crooks.
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I fell for it
It turns out that when you make a purchase from them (Quixtar), by the time you pay for shipping & handling to get it delivered, it ends up costing the same or more than if you had just driven to the mall and purchased it.
I went to a couple of their seminars and the recurring theme is that you should fill your home with Amway products so when people visit you, they'll see that you use Amway products and want some for themselves. And you shouldn't just buy a few products, you should buy every possible product from them.
Of course what they don't mention is that every product you buy is another commission for them...
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Millions my ass
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Of course - we're talking about lawyers and the court system too....
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Complete Pyramid Scheme
Kids there are always eager to make easy money.
Quite a few people I knew fell for it.
I didn't even know it was part of Amway at the time.
Parents and a couple wiser older friends of mine pointed out it was a pyramid scheme.
Did I mention that they wanted approx 234$ just to sign up to "situate yourself as your own business, and this fee is to cover the paperwork, thats all".
It was utter bull shit.
I don't know why people still fall for this shit except for they are too dumb to know the difference.
Unfotunately, even after college, I have a friend who fell for it. I love it when he brings it up because I hound him on it.
Actually, he hasn't brougt it up at all recently, like past few months, maybe he finally realized I won't fall for that shit.
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Hmmmmmmm
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Cutco knives
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Re: Cutco knives
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Forbes Magazine Article
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but they sell good soap. Really. You can get some really decent products from Amway, as well as Rexall/Sundown (are they still in business), and perhaps a couple of the other first-shelf MLMs.
Which isn't to say that I'd drink their Kool-Aid.
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author is wrong
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Dishonest from the beginning
It is nearly impossible to get them to admit that, yeah, this is Amway Online, and it's an MLM.
If your business plan's #1 rule is, "Don't tell your prospectives who you are and what you do" then it is by definition a load of crap.
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Take Advantage
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Re: Take Advantage
Next time I hear 'do you want to make money fast' I will pull out my gun and say 'sure, where is the nearest bank'....
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Re: Take Advantage
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Free Speech on the Internet
Let the legal battles begin.
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Free & Responsible Speech on the Internet
For any serious business undertaker, check these out:
http://www.pyramid-scheme.org/MLM-Good-Business.html
http://members.forbes.com/forbes/2005/ 1114/128.html
(*also, might require subscription*) -> "Hiding Behind the Net - Anonymity Lets Creeps, Criminals and Malicious Mobs Run Wild" (Forbes, October 15, 2007).
Last of all, get advice only from qualified people who are in life or are going in life where you yourself would like to be. If it's just about people giving you opinions, tell them "no, thank you very much, have a nice day!" and walk away. Do away with them. Focus on your dreams and goals.
Should the internet be censored? I guess it should be to a certain extent while still allowing responsible people to freely express themselves. That right should be entirely taken away from idiots.
My background is from a former communist country. Censorship of the media was part of the daily life however, when I think back, its purpose was more to edify and to protect the citizen than to harm him. The idiots were not allowed to express themselves publicly for they were considered to be a threat to society on every conceivable level. So yes, I think that the internet should be censored and for you to take full resposibilty for your idiotic, ignorant comments.
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The Communist Internet
I was involved in an MLM once upon a time. Then about 20 years later someone I really respect was caught up in the fever where a very high level guy in an MLM was recruiting him. He wanted me to join with him. I did the math, and it didn't work out.
The main problem with MLMs from the standpoint of the individual trying to build this business is that you are generally working for a negative wage until such point as you finally break even. You, as your own business entity, pay for everything to set up a real business. This can be good for people that have money and no clue how to do this. You will need the money to buy inventory, invest in marketing campaigns and find potential customers. Your support group is your sponsor and some meetings that are generally more hypre and pep rally than any real substanitive thinking. If the truth be told, most people that invest in these MLMs, fail. Usually it can be chocked up as a learning experience, and all you have lost is a few thousand dollars and a half a year. For some, that's not bad for an education, I have spent way more. The problem is, that the education based upon false pretences. MLMs will never tell you their real success rate, because it's pathetically low. It takes a "special" kind of person to succeed at this.
I fully understand the reason for trying to censor the internet. If 5% succeed and 95% fail, these are overwhelming odds against trying to portray this as a bonafide opportunity. The internet has it's share of idiots on it, but it is the law of large numbers at work that our communist freind will never understand.
The bottom line - MLMs use tactics that lead to skeptisism, and rightly so. If someone has a huge opportunity, but is reluctant to tell you what it is unless they can come over to your house and have your wife present. The opportunity is suspect, the people that are offering it are suspect and you should be very concerned. If you like the idea, find out all of the information you can before spending $1 on it. Information is the key, our ability to process and act upon a variety of disparate information is called intelligence. Anyone promoting censorship if the information is not to thier liking is a fraud.
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Amway/Quitar Suing Web Critics
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Truth it, they've gotten so arrogant the owners really believe they can override the U.S. Constitution.
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Are they at it again?
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Are they at it again?
10 years ago, Amway was involved in even more lawsuits against Proctor & Gamble and its own distributors. (Possibly the same suits, stretched out over years and years.)
8 years ago, Amway tried to change its name to "Quixtar" to disassociate itself from its own falling reputation. And if you don't believe me, just read some of the postings, above. Amway has been around for *decades* and everyone knows someone who tried to sell soap or had soap sold to them.
Also, 10 years ago, I was an Amway distributor... until I found out that the "Amway business" is all about making money from sales-tools and not selling products. My "upline" even admitted as much!
After I found out, I created a website documenting my experience with the company. Although they never sued me directly, I was issued a subpoena in their case against P&G. They had it in their brains that I was somehow paid by P&G and wanted to find the evidence. I had to hire an attorney to file a legal response to their subpoena. The attorneys then went back and forth about what information they could take from my hard drive (documents: yes, Quicken files: no). And, of course, this cost me more and more money as the attorney billed me for his time.
It's funny how they didn't want any of the teaching tapes entered into the court record... you know, the ones that tell people to buy more "tools" instead of actually selling products.
They also didn't need to see my checking account (within my Quicken file) showing how I had spent tons of money to attend meetings and events, pay for tapes, and other tools... and only had a few dollars of income to show for it.
Before you start to argue that the person isn't "working the system", keep in mind that there have been *numerous* audits which have showed how some of the upper-level distributors barely made any money... and some IRS records showed these people actually made a loss!
Every few years, news comes out that some upper-level distributors start to sue each other over the profits from the sales of the tools.
And a few years ago, the big news in the Amway world was that a lot of "Diamonds" quit the business to form their own MLM. It makes you wonder why these "multi-millionaires" (as they're so fond of saying) would quit a business that made them so successful?
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Someone a few posts asked if these companies think they can change the constitution. I don't see why they wouldn't feel they could. Our congress and our judicial system stomps on our constitution and the framers intent everyday. Most Democrats want the whole thing thrown out, so they can institute a new document. I believe it's based on something written by Stabler or Stalin or something like that, who knows? Vote for Hillary!
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Internet Censorship?
I believe that there needs to be some censorship on the internet to prevent people with questionable motives from spreading misinformation which can be extremly damaging long term.
About the Forbes article on the blogs, I find it accurate in its description hence, my belief that internet censorship will ultimately become a requirement.
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Simple Answer
The bigger issue is how some top level distributors make a ton of money selling useless seminars and tapes.
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WEIRD!!!
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