California Sues E-Voting Firm That Threatened California's Secretary Of State
from the vote-early,-vote-often dept
Remember how e-voting firm ES&S originally refused to hand over its source code to California Secretary of State Debra Bowen? And, then, when it finally did hand over the code, how it did so with a petulent, threatening letter, warning her that they would hold her personally responsible for any disclosure of ES&S trade secrets? In retrospect, it probably wasn't such a good idea for the company to include those threats -- especially when the company had changed the source code on some of their machines without telling the state or bothering to have the new software re-certified. After an investigation, California has now sued ES&S for giving the state uncertified e-voting machines. Perhaps those were the "trade secrets" ES&S was so worried about Bowen leaking out. Or maybe it was how ES&S machines have been found in some cases to count votes in triplicate or not at all. Or maybe it was the trade secret involving how the company knew its machines were buggy and prone to problems. Or the one about how it "forgot" to disclose, as required by law, the fact that some manufacturing took part overseas.As for ES&S's response to the lawsuit, the company appears to have two defenses. First, it claims that the software changes were only "minor" so it didn't need to inform the state. Unfortunately, that's not what California law says -- and it's difficult to see why anyone would think that ES&S gets to decide what software upgrades are minor or not. Even more troublesome is ES&S's second response, claiming that this lawsuit "isn't in the best interests of California voters" because disabled voters won't be able to vote with ES&S's machines. Unfortunately for ES&S, this isn't about helping disabled voters vote -- it's about helping them (and others) vote reliably and accurately in a way that the state has certified -- and on that point, it appears ES&S fails.
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I have seen what some 'minor' code changes can do when released without proper testing. They can take down a companie's system for hours.
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In the UK the gov has lost its way alltogether. Cant do anything right and the whole system needs replacing really.
E-voting machines really should be so simple, that they cant help but be 100% secure. This is a fact of electronic hardware and programming.
Now if we werent surrounded by scum everywhere who try and kill you for your opinion, we wouldnt have to hide our votes.. but thats the way of the Human so it seems... Am I wrong?
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Go back to paper
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Re: Go back to paper
The few unlucky who had to use the machines where in for a surprise :
some actually couldn't vote until AFTER the results were known.
Talk about a joke, and the machine were there so that it would take less time....
On top of that the machines are not designed with the elderly in mind so the UI is a mess and thus a portion of the population can't even use them properly.
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How about a novel concept - Jail Time
* No offense Scum, you know we love ya!
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can
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can't trust anyone
If have a company create this, do you then have to find out what boards all the executives are on and their party affiliation? If they are public, do you then have to investigate who has a major/minor investment in the company? Can you even trust the government to create the software?
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I am paranoid.
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Petulant, not Petulent :P
All that’s mentioned is ES&S's concerns over its IP, and a warning that by accepting the source code the SoS would in turn be responsible for safeguarding this IP. Why is that unreasonable? It seems fairly standard for a business.
Perhaps this is down to interpretation, but the title of this entry seems rather sensationalist and isn’t supported by any of the facts contained. It implies (if not directly states) that the company is being sued for threatening the SoS, when in fact it’s being sued for supplying uncertified voting machines. There is no mention of the ‘threatening letter’ in the SFGate article.
While I’m on your side when it comes to the importance of openness and impartibility as a requirement for companies working in this area, such headlines in turn don’t do your own credibility any favours. I normally read techdirt to get away from such tabloid journalism. : /
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How hard is it to program a voting machine?
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e-voting
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e-voting, The machine
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Not that these were/are high profile targets anywa
How about the photo printing machines at Walmart/Meijer/Target/every corner drugstore. They make their money by HAVING a way to plug in an external device, and the hardware and software on those systems is designed to stop outside applications from running.
Perhaps Diebold and ES&S should take a cue from Kodak
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e-voting
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RE: e-voting
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Paper don't have BOTS or spyware
Seriously, How?
Secure web page? Don't make me laugh
Paper and water proof marker X marks the spot.
All paper ballots would remain a permanent record and held in public view, not in a warehouse, until such time there were no issues and recounts (mandatory) were completed.
Why if these elected to terms spanning years need to have our fate sealed within hours after an election?
What is it that you people do not understand about software?
On route to the central tabulation data processing station a simple process can alter all the data. Opps
Surely you wouldn't trust Microhard's Internet Exploder browser to deliver the goods?
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why don't they work?
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