Microsoft Must Pay $140 Million For Using Multiple Passwords To Activate Its Software
from the patent-insanity dept
Another day, another problematic patent ruling. Microsoft now needs to pay $140 million for violating a patent on using two or more passwords to protect against unauthorized use of a piece of software. Yes, someone actually got a patent on that idea. The company in question, Z4 Technologies, claims to be in the business of making DRM products, but the company's website only talks up its patents -- not any particular solutions. It doesn't appear to have anything for sale (or, if it does, it needs to hire a better marketing team). The website focuses on various ridiculous and easily-proven-false quotes about the so-called "losses" due to "piracy." Microsoft and Autodesk were the targets of the suit, which of course was filed in Marshall, Texas despite no one being anywhere near Texas. The judge in the original case sided with the patent holder and added a bonus of willful infringement against Microsoft. The latest ruling is from the appeal at CAFC, who appears to have kept the willful infringement finding, despite the standard for willful infringement changing. Perhaps Microsoft and Autodesk will start to realize that this is another ridiculous "cost" associated with pointless attempts at using DRM, and realize that its both cheaper and more efficient not to bother. Anyone want to calculate how much in "losses" such a DRM solution probably stopped vs. how much Microsoft now needs to pay?Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.
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Wha?
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Mike's idiocy
But seriously, dude, your ignorance of technology and law shows all over your shitty articles...
Better stay with PR and marketing, dude
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BTW, since some of us are hip to your "anger", why don't you tell us what your wonderful patent is, again, dude.
Better stay with trolling myspace or something because it won't work here, dude.
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If that's ignorant by the terms of ignoring ridiculous laws that only help the few, then yes, count us all in for the most part, take a look around you...I hate to bring up the simpsons but if lawyers are/were snakes....it's about time for snake whacking day.
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This is yet another glaring example of how badly we need patent reform in this country. Hell, maybe not even reform so much as a committee dedicated to imposing sentences of public live-on-the-today-show-bare-assed-spankings for all of these dickhead patent trolls. GTFO.
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Wonderful idea, dude
lets start with IBM's CEO, then goes HP, MS etc. etc. etc.
Or you wanna spank just the little ones, dude ?
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Never heard of female trolls
To be a troll is a manly thing...
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wtf...
When will people finally start THINKING?
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And this was a jury trial, BTW
Take a shit and relax, abortion victim
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crazy
Lame as heck that some company can make that much off of a computer process.
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Heck, you are right, dude !
Let MShit return all the shitloads of money (500 Billion ?? A trill ?) they made on their shitty buggy computer process called Windoze
Hey, Billy Gates, techdirt has spoken
Give us our money back
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You all think small
AND
I also copyrighted the terms patent, infringement, piracy and copyright.
The entire world will be hearing from my attorneys...
muhahahaha (yep copyrighted that too)
hehe
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Now who's thinking small?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!111!!!1!!1!1
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This is not a DRM issue
As for claiming that putting complex activation schemes for software is "pointless", I think your mistake is thinking it's supposed to solve the piracy problem which is wrong. It's meant to prevent loss of profits from people - usually businesses - that would never consider right out pirating software but need that extra push to actually pay in some situations. For example:
1. A worker's computer with Software X is replaced with a new one and the old machine goes to some other employee that doesn't use Software X. The software is installed on the new machine with the legitimate assumption that the license is now used there and there's no reason it will be used on the old computer. Later, the other employee discovers she needs to use Software X herself, and finds out it's already on the machine so she starts to use it.
2. A new guy is coming and IT need to quickly set up a machine for him, so they use the software discs lying around with the full intention of buying additional licenses later. However with time it is forgotten as more important things come up, so the additional licenses are not bought eventually.
And so on. Also, the harder it gets to use unlicensed software, the easier it is to prove willful infringement in court.
I don't know if it actually makes sense in the bottom line, but I certainly wouldn't dismiss activation schemes as "pointless".
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I doubt MS will have to actually pay this
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This WAS an appeal
Sue the patent system ? How do you do it, dude ?
Seriously, I wannna do it myself for a long time
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Yes, we know you're an abortion gone wrong but don't be so down on yourself.
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you're right!
if YOU have a solution, let's hear it. otherwise, whats the point of complaining again and again and again?
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Re: you're right!
What Mike proposes is that you should distribute your songs (music, books, patented inventions etc.) for free and make money on selling T-shirts instead...
Hillarious
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Are you some form of shill for the *AA's and big corps or something? I only ask because for someone who complains about being screwed over on your "awesome patent", one would figure that you'd want less punishment, not more of it.
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any other company id be pissed but with ms i laughed, as for autodesk, im a little miffed at that
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That is 2 passwords and if there is a confirmation link sent to your email that is a one time password(3) entered automatically.
This is done on some web forums to prevent unauthorised activation of the account that acceses a web app. The app is software running on the server that displays the out put to the user at a different location.
"using two or more passwords to protect against unauthorized use of a piece of software"
it fits
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Carme is right
Conflating this patent thing with DRM is silly. Patent trolling is nothing new; the fact that both the patent troll and Microsoft are in any way associated with DRM is beside the point.
Also, Mike, MS offers DRM enforcement support in its OS's through no need to protect themselves from piracy; their WGA isn't DRM in the classic sense we think of it. No, MS includes the ability to sense DRM'd media and either not play it or fuzz the playback as a way of making it attractive for other companies to release music/movies/whatever in forms that will play on Windows. So DRM is just a capability of Windows; one which (marginally perhaps) increases the value of Windows to users. Imagine Jane Soccermom with a choice of two computers: one that can play her DRM'd movie, and one that cannot. Which will she choose?
So in this case MS is profiting (if only slightly) from DRM whether it is used or not. Aim your anti-DRM anger at those who deserve it: the media moguls who insist on wrappping music/movies/books/whatever in DRM protections. In the case of DRM for these types of content, Microsoft is no more evil than Phillips, Samsung, Panasonic, et al (they all make DVD players which enforce region-encoded discs).
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DRM & Patents
And my opinion on patents for software is the exact same as Gordo in post #36:
All software patents should be instantly invalidated, and no future ones allowed.
Hell, it'd probably be better if we did that for all technology. Imagine how fast it would progress then with no patents to slow it down.
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