Ohio Finds All E-Voting Machines In The State Had Serious Flaws
from the no-surprise-there dept
Earlier this year, California found all sorts of problems with e-voting machines used in the state. Now, Ohio, home to some of the more controversial stories surrounding presidential elections, has also found serious flaws in every e-voting machine used in the state. It's the usual stuff that has been pointed out for years: it was easy to pick locks on the machines, introduce fake votes, and load up dangerous unauthorized software onto the machines. Not much new there -- just another confirmation. What's much more interesting is the reaction of the firms involved.First up is "Premier Election Solution," who you probably would recognize better under its old name: Diebold. The company changed its name a few months ago, hoping people would no longer associate Premier with all of the ridiculously bad history associated with Diebold. A Premier official said that all of the problems noted in the report have been fixed in its new machines. While that's a better response than Diebold's typical response of trashing any researcher who points out a flaw or cracking jokes about the flaws, it's one of the few times we've ever seen Diebold/Premier admit that older machines actually did have significant flaws. Of course, the few times that's happened in the past, it's always come with the same sort of "but everything is fixed now!" clause. And... every time a Diebold/Premier representative says something along those lines, it's only a matter of months until new flaws are announced. So, given Diebold's history, it's pretty difficult to take the company's word that all the flaws have now been fixed.
Even worse, though, is the response of ES&S, who has become even more Diebold-like in its responses to various problems found in its machines. On the Ohio report, ES&S responded: "We can also tell you that our 35 years in the field of elections has demonstrated that Election Systems and Software voting technology is accurate, reliable and secure." Note that this doesn't actually respond to any of the specific criticisms in the report. As for that history, let's take you back to a few of ES&S's greatest hits: this is the company that was caught providing uncertified software to California, while also failing to disclose foreign manufacturing partners (as required by federal law). It's also the company responsible for the well-known case in Florida where thousands of votes went missing and the election in Texas where votes were counted three times. And, of course, let's not forget the internal memos at ES&S which showed the company knew about problems with its software, while publicly stating that the machines were perfectly fine. So, sorry, ES&S, you can try to pretend those things didn't happen, but the history you point to hardly shows that your machines are "accurate, reliable and secure." It shows a company that will say anything to avoid admitting that its machines have problems.
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The funniest thing so far is the newspapers
I still think we should go back to hand filled, hand counted (with observers) ballots. The only reason we go through this idiocy with machines is so the media can report the results faster and be the first to crown the new champions. It's not like they couldn't take their time and worry about accuracy when it comes to the leaders of the country or are laws, right?
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ugh.
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There appears to be circumstantial evidence of willful vote manipulation. Regretfully, this is no great surprise. I note that the office of Secretary of State has been a republican target in every state, and said office oversees the elections.
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Re: ugh.
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All because....
To address the problem properly I think that any electronic ballot machine being considered should print the actual ballot that gets counted, The information should NOT be stored electronically and counted. I think that the hard copy created should be counted using an optical reader. The name of the candidate should appear next to the pip, bar code, or what ever the reader uses for its optical count. This way there the vote can visually check his/her/it's ballot BEFORE dropping it in the box, if there is an error it can be shredded on the spot and re taken. This is a simple solution to a problem that the media has made way too complicated.
Additionally, "exit polling" and other forms of localized counting should be friggan stopped. Not a single vote should be counted until the entire country has voted. Knowing who/what has won/passed is not so important that we need to know the very second that the final vote it counted. Most states have to certify their vote counts and when that certification is done, we can all learn what the tallies are.
oh and just so that it can be said, there has been some sort of voting 'problem' since the very beginning of this country. How many cemetery populations have voted in the past? how many people have double/triple(more) voted? It is not a perfect system, but it is the best one available.
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1- An electronic machine that marks a punch card with both a punch pattern and a typed name indicating for whom the vote was cast. This machine should also count the votes cast on it. These machines can be fairly elaborate touch screen machines with all the bells and whistles for assisting the handicapped.
2- A separate ballot counting machine from a different vendor that takes and registers the votes and stores the ballot.
3- At the end of the day all the votes are tallied from both machines. If there is a large enough discrepancy all the ballots are counted again. One would expect that the second machine could possibly come in low if someone neglects to put their ballot in machine 2. In no circumstances should the precinct vote be greater than the number of voters.
4- If needed all the ballots could be sorted by machine and hand verified that the printed name actually matches the hole pattern.
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Besides the obvious comments regarding organized crime, these machines purchased and operated with appropriate oversight would be difficult to undermine.
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Let's just cut the crap, go back to what works, and for cryin' out loud, come up with a standard for voting machines already. I'm sick of hearing about stupid stuff like hanging chads. The last time I voted, I was given a big card with little circles or boxes to darken, which was as simple as could be. When I was done, the card was inserted into a secure electronic card reader machine, and that was it. Super simple, super easy, and there was both a convenient electronic tally, as well as the hard copy of the ballot for verification if necessary. Why every place can't standardize on such a simple voting method is beyond me.
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Sleight of hand in the age of information
In the meantime I work, go to school, raise a child, etc. More than once it has occurred to me "didn't I elect someone to take care of this stuff for me?" That may not be the right way to think about it, but it's what is in my head.
I often struggle to understand what it means to be a good citizen. I perform charity work and giving (though probably not as often as I should). I pay attention to the issues and I vote. But honestly if I have to pay attention to every person that tries to manipulate the system and put their hand into my wallet, my family would starve.
Any thoughts on the issue would be well-received.
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elections are a joke, make these changes, i may st
2] all national elections are tallied locally, then the reports are submitted to a gubmnet site to be tallied and released on 1 date.
one election date nationwide..all results submitted to a central baord for verification and tallys. Once verified, then a public announcement releasing the results.
primaries on may 15, tallied and submitted to local boards, by the 30th, verified and sent on to state, then federal boards with 15 day deadlines.
general elections, just change may 15 to november 5 and use the same "formula".
oh, wait...darn we can't do that..the brits would lose the ability to bet on the outcome....
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Re: Sleight of hand in the age of information
Amen, brother! This is the plight of the entire lower/middle/upper-middle class; we actually have to work and fulfill the ideal of the "Free American Citizen".
Meanwhile, a huge "entitlement"-dependent class and a sizable uber-wealthy class both clamor for our money first and attention second. We're hosed! We have neither the time nor wealth to effectively combat those who would steal from Peter to pay Paul, and their elite protectors who through ignorance, guilt, or megalomania manipulate the takers in the first place.
It's pretty grim. The single most effective solution: STOP GIVING THEM MONEY, vote for a flat or consumption tax and abolish income taxes, and starve the bastards out of office.
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Who the heck to they have programing these machine
Here's the simple solution people, you want a reliable electronic voting machine, take it away from the huge corporations who want to squeeze every penny out of it. A reliable election is not their primary interest when they have shareholders to report to.
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Punch card ballots
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You are absolutely right. After all, it is a well-known fact that the Democrat Party steals elections the old-fashioned way: people voting multiple times, dead electors on the voters list, etc.
See the last Washington State gubernatorial election for all the juicy details.
And of course, the greatest theft of all times, whore-lover's Kennedy's election.
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Paper trail & open source
If the software being used to count the votes is not open source, no one can be sure it has not been riddled with back doors to allow anyone who can afford to buy the election to do so from the software vendor.
This is not rocket science.
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Re: Disappearing votes
While there isn't any proof that the votes were lost by malicious intent, it is rather troubling that majority of these types of problems tend to favor the Republicans.
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Get elected
How about starting reality shows named "Presidential Election" or "Governor Election", etc.. and let everyone phone in their vote for their favorite candidate. After all, this method worked quite well for Sanjay Malakar on AI.
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