Blu-Ray Will Likely Catch On Despite Flaws
from the patience dept
I've had my own share of criticisms of the Blu-Ray format in the past, but even I think the thesis that Blu-ray is doomed is over the top. Don Reisinger claims that having won the battle with HD-DVD, Sony's Blu-Ray format is still going to lose the war of consumer indifference. I think there's clearly something to this. Clearly, lots of people are still buying DVDs, and the reasons Reisinger identifies -- inflexible DRM, high prices, many consumers' inability to tell the difference between HD and regular definition content -- are certainly reasons to expect uptake of the Blu-Ray format to be relatively slow. But I think it's important to keep the longer-term perspective in mind. People were saying many of the same things about the DVD format a decade ago: complaining about the price and wondering if consumers would care about the quality difference. But the DVD format is indisputably successful. Prices came down. Consumers got used to the higher quality of DVD. It didn't happen in a year, but it took less than a decade.
The same thing will happen with Blu-Ray. Blu-Ray players today are no more expensive than DVDs were a decade ago, and the PS3 doubles as a video game console. As people upgrade their TVs, more and more of them will get used to high-def picture quality. We've pointed out before that faster bandwidth will ultimately render physical formats obsolete. But fortunately for Sony, as bad as Blu-Ray's DRM is, the download services' DRM is even worse. You can at least be reasonably sure you'll be able to play your Blu-Ray disc on most TVs, something that's often not true of video download services. So in the short run, Blu-Ray probably has time to reach critical mass among consumers before Hollywood figures out how to design a movie download service consumers will actually be interested in. Blu-Ray would catch on faster if it weren't for the issues Reisinger identifies, but I don't think there's much doubt Sony and its partners will sell tens of millions of the things.
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But wait!
Just as it wins this war, Sony is shooting itself in the foot with "profile 2.0".
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It's widely known to techies. I'm willing to bet that if you go to Wal-Mart and ask a few random people who are browsing the DVD players, you will quickly find that this is not widely known among consumers in general.
"Not to mention ... that these profiles can be updated via firmware updates"
The article does mention that some players are updatable to varying degrees. Also that some are not.
"Lets not forget the fact that all those profiles mean is that you may not be able to access certain special features if you have an older profile."
When a person buys a profile 2.0 Blu-ray disc, and puts it in a profile 1.0 player, and can't access the special features the advertising promised, the conclusion will be that the disc "doesn't work".
All that needs to happen is for one studio to stick entirely with profile 1.0 and start marketing its discs as "plays anywhere" as opposed to profile 2.0 discs that "don't work", and they essentially become competing standards.
(There are, of course, plenty of other ways that they could essentially become competing standards.)
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...and also to mention improved video quality and being able to keep a recording for a few years, knowing that the quality wouldn't degrade over time.
These were things that VCD & SVCD were to replace - but VCD & SVCD lost to DVD because of those added benefits of DVD you've mentioned.
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Right now, the only advantage I see Blu-ray having over DVD is sound and picture quality, and I'm not convinced that's enough for the format to catch on. I have a great big HDTV and 5.1 surround sound and I'm not even close to buying into Blu-ray.
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About this Blu-Ray...
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People are like cows ...
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Blu-ray Advantages
Blu-ray is already off to a great start considering that the player was released in the PS3. The fact that one of the major next-generation console gaming platforms contains the ability to play Blu-rays has already caused a large amount of the populace to have the capabilities to watch Blu-ray media, something that wasn't achieved for a great number of years for DVD. Also, Sony is already working on agreements with Microsoft and Apple to get Blu-ray players in both company's major media players (The XBox 360 will be a second major platform that will allow consumers to view Blu-ray media). This is a much more rapid progression than DVD ever had, and I would take this as a sign that Blu-ray has advantages DVDs never had.
Anyone who thinks that a new form of media storage would automatically be instantly available in every househome within 1-2 years is just not thinking realistically. Blu-ray is definitely in for the long haul, but it's already a fastly growing and prospering format for next generation media. The future is most definitely Blu.
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I agree with you 100%, the only problem is that the major advantages aren't for the consumer.
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That, and I'm still mad that I'm still rebuilding my VHS collection on DVD. Screw buying Blu-Ray.
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blue ray catching on despite flaws?
VHS sure caught on despite it's inferior picture quality to Beta among other things.
I've seen both video formats and don't see a big difference, but I'm not as picky as I used to be.
Sony learned it's lesson in 1985-6.
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I would dispute, however, that downloading will ever completely replace formats like DVD. I can get fifty 700MB CD-Rs -35GB of data storage- for just $30 -about the price of a 2GB flash drive- to say nothing of the fact that burning a CD is less hassle than upgrading my hard drive and storing stuff on portable media a hell of a lot better for the performance of my admittedly low-end and increasingly obsolescent home computer, which takes rather longer to load a large movie file from the hard drive than it takes me to get a DVD down from the shelf and put it in the machine. Once the big film studios reach a compromise between end-user experience and containing piracy, I'd expect a lot of DVD sales will be download-to-burn.
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Blu it!
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Bluray success...
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Net needed ?
B Ray needs an internet connection or it will not play?
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to tell u the truth, i always feel that ppl who complain much about DRM r ppl who most likely to rip da data.. or download the content... that's why they complain about DRM cause they have to go extra step to get those stuffs.. or pay for it... me personally? i buy CD n DVD n BR DVD all da time... i like to own physical copy.. but that's just me...
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Also, the move to a digital signal is just that - a move to a digital signal. That makes HD possible, but it's NOT an HD signal by default.
As for moving to Blu-Ray, most people are going to take a long time to do it. People with massive HD sets and surround systems are moving to BR, but that's not what most people have. An upscaled standard def DVD is more than enough for most people, and Blu-Ray doesn't have any other features to tempt people into buying. Also, people are still replacing their VHS tapes with DVDs so would resent having to replace again, especially with the industry's habit of double-dipping and not putting all the old extras onto the HD discs.
Nope, Blu-Ray will remain a minority for a long time.
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UPscaling!
I won't buy a BluRay sorry. But I would not be surprised to see these upscaling DVD players be taken of the market.
I was tempted to buy an HD-DVD player @ Bestbuy for $49! Then a quick look at the limited and considerably more expensive (compared to DVD) selection set me straight.
Bring on a cheap download service (7 or 8 bucks is robbery) and I'll gladly pay for and download 20 plus movies a year.
Tim makes an interesting point when he says "I don't think there's much doubt Sony and its partners will sell tens of millions of the things" hmmm sounds like a small number compared to the number of DVD sales.
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I'm not saying it needs to be 100% all the time, but before upscaling DVDs would be an acceptable alternative to true HD, it will have to get better / issues will have to happen much more rarely...
which frankly in my (techie) opinion can't/won't happen...after all, upscaling means you try to produce a resolution that is several times higher than the resolution/information you start with...just try it with a picture, scale it down and then scale it back up and compare it to the original...sure, expensive software/algorithms might do a somewhat better job, but if you can't tell the difference, there's something wrong with your eyes
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Downloading? Are you serious?
The average consumer doesn't have neither the bandwidth nor the storage capacity to make it feasible even for things encoded way below DVD quality. Anything comparable or above can take days now, even at a quick transmission rate.
Picking up the movie in a store is typically only a 30 second to ten minute addition on your regular errand trips. Or ten to twenty minutes out to the store to buy it.
Making downloading movies simple and quick enough for the average home Joe Shmoe who doesn't know bit-torrents from Big Macs is first going to require a lot of change on the infrastructures and habits of the ISPs and as we can see now, they're not too keen on change. They'd rather slow down current stuff rather than speed anything up.
Like DVD before it, Blu-Ray's big hang up is price. As they fall BR will start becoming standard.
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VHS->DVD is more akin to the Tape->CD transition. Trying to convince consumers of the benefits of Blue-Ray is like trying to sell us on HD-Audio -- the benefits of digital-to-higher-def-digital are practically indiscernible compared to the obvious benefits of analog-to-digital.
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Blu-ray can succeed
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The group 2 people are the people who are still "building their DVD collections" well guess what. Even if Blu-ray doesnt replace DVD another technology will.
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