Flying Security: Shackle All Passengers With Tazer-Like Bracelets
from the coffee,-tea-or-bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt dept
And we were just talking about how the expected boom in air travel security technology never materialized, and along comes Bruce Schneier to point out a patent on a bracelet that passengers would be forced to wear, which could provide a debilitating shock at the decision of a crew member. And, yes, there's a company trying to commercialize this idea. I'm sure absolutely nothing might go wrong by strapping up all passengers with a potentially debilitating shock. Nothing at all...Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.
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Let me be the first to point out...
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Tomorrows headline
Lets all hope the government bails them out from bankruptcy again, after this debacle.
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Cue murder lawsuit on that one in 5...4...3...bzzzzt.
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That's interesting but,
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Cone on ...
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Dont tase me dude
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It would be neat to hack the system
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Problems are different than the ones surfaced here
But here are the problems:
1. What if people change seats? Happens a lot (I've done it a few times this year). Will they stop permitting this, or will they make people change bracelets with each seat change. And when people travel in groups, it is not unusual for them to swap around mid flight to talk with one another.
2. What if ma and pa decide to give little Joey the window seat, even though pa is listed in the window seat (though parents of toddlers are rarely the problem passengers)?
3. What if the very heavy passenger has a wrist too large for the bracelet? Does that passenger not get to fly?
4. What if there are a group of 6 or so real terrorists on the plane. Once they are up out of their seats and moving around, how is the cockpit to know which assigned seats to shock?
5. Enplaning and deplaning takes longer now. Passengers are pissed (especially the ones trying to make connections), and airlines increase their turn around times.
I just don't see this wrist cuff thing happening. And we don't hear airlines clamoring for it, only the guy with the patent trying to make a buck.
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FFS just tranquelize them
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Dumbest idea in years
Then again, do you honestly think any terrorists will try to take over a plane again? Come on, I'm no tough guy, but if some a-hole tries that on my plane, you can bet if I'm near by I'm going to beat the you know what out of 'em... though I may have to get over the other 10 passengers doing the same thing!
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tazer bracelets...
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Planes. they are there. the fly. they are big.
It has already been done.
Security is much stricter and the risk vs reward of trying to take one over just isn't as tempting as i was years ago. if the 'terrorists' have all this money power etc. why not just put a young potential through flight school. but thats digressing.
anyway strapping down law abiding people isn't going to make them any safer than they already are. this just seems like another attempt to make a few sales by latching on to the fear of the masses.
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New bonus for travelers
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Funniest thing I've read all day.
Thanks, I needed that! :)
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FUDDY video
"Technology is only as good as the people using it."
Then they procede to tell us why we need to strap on technology so that somebody else can zap us.
Really like the stock 9/11 scare footage. I'm sure there has to be a media reel somewhere with "play this at the beginning of your lame Homeland Security sales pitch"
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Level the playing field...
I say put one of those short rubber cudgels (like the German Police use) in every seat-back pocket along side the barf-bag.
If someone gets sufficiently out of line, *any* passenger(s) are welcome to stomp a new mud-hole in the miscreants behind and walk it dry. The accompanying law will require you and at least 6 witnesses (not involved in the actual clubbing) from the same flight to swear in court that a reasonable and prudent person in the same situation would agree that the a-hole needed the level of beating given. Without the witnesses, you get to spend some time in jail.
Initially, there will surely be some false-positives among paranoid passengers who are on a hair trigger or mass affrays among several passengers (oh, rival inner-city gang-bangers perhaps?). But in short order folks will get the message that they need to behave themselves on a plane.
Mentally unstable a-holes who can potentialy lose self-control will be well advised to travel with someone who can control them. Otherwise, they are at the mercy of the other passengers.
Pacifists who don't want the cudgel can certainly request to have it removed from their seat-back pocket for their flight. However, they need to remember that pacifists only survive in a society that both tolerates them *and* protects them from the rest of the world which may not share their non-violent ways.
Given my personal observations, TSA can not and will not prevent any determined person from boarding with a blunt object or non-metallic edged weapon. Heck, I commonly see backpacks emerge from the metal detector with two fist-sized aluminum carabiners dangling off the *external* accessory loops without anyone challenging them. But heaven help a grandma/infrequent traveller who packs a full-sized bottle of shampoo in her carry-on because she will get treated like a terrorist...
The above suggestion to arm everyone on the flight with some (typically) non-lethal type of weapon is (admittedly) radically extreme and doesn't stand any chance of being implemented. However, as a frequent traveller with one or more flights per week, I can confidently state that the trained-monkeys manning the TSA stations in each and every airport I go through are *consistently* worthless. They typically have zero motivation; a complete absence of any sense of an urgent purpose; generally display an "I really hate my job" attitude and are clearly not paying attention. To be fair, there are a scant few TSA employess who seem to display a sense of purpose and appear diligent; however, that can not be said of the vast majority of them by any reasonable and prudent observer.
I say that, since TSA can not be relied upon to guarantee a safe flight, then we should at least give everyone on board a fighting chance. I'm open to most any suggestion that accomplishes that goal.
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Tranquilizing is a little extreme
I'm filing a patent on that idea.
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Whoops ..... back to the drawing board.
Guess the TSA now has to determine whether your arms are real.
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1. Design new planes where the passenger compartment is completely isolated from the rest of the plane. No access to the cockpit, the cargo hold, or any part of the plane's systems. The pilots will have their own bathroom and small galley, plus access to the rest of the plane, minus the passenger compartment.
2. All communication between the pilots and the rest of the flight crew will be by electronic audio and video, controlled from the cockpit. As part of the safety lecture at the start of the flight, all passengers will be informed that at the first sign of any sort of hi-jacking or attempt to coerce the pilots, all communications with the passenger compartment will be turned off from the cockpit. They will not, under any circumstances, be turned back on until the plane is safely on the ground.
3. Each passenger compartment will be equiped with the ability to release non-lethal knockout gas into the compartment, controlled from the cockpit. In the event of an attempted hi-jacking, the pilots will release the gas immediately after cutting off communications.
Of course the above wouldn't prevent bombings, but it would render hi-jacking attempts useless. If there's no access to the cockpit, nobody can commandeer the plane and if they can't talk to the pilots, there's no way to threaten them into doing what the hi-jackers want.
I admit that the third item, the use of knockout gas, might be controversial, but I don't think anyone would have a problem with the first two.
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We'd All Be Dead
Needless to say, I'm avoiding United in the future, if I can.
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Seriously, though, there will need be an airline ofering these special "super-safe" flights, where the extremely paranoid will be happy to fly shackelled, drugged and/or strapped down, if this inventor is ever going to make any money.
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Ok...
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