Turnitin Found Not To Violate Student Copyrights
from the might-be-a-good-thing-for-Google... dept
Last year, we noted that some students were suing iParadigms, the makers of "Turnitin" the excessively popular plagiarism checker used by many colleges and high schools. The professors feed student papers into the system, and it returns a "score" judging how likely the paper is to be plagiarized. However, it also takes a copy of each paper and includes it in its database for future plagiarism checks. This annoyed quite a few students who felt that this was copyright infringement -- using their papers in a commercial database.However, a court has now rejected the students' arguments and found that Turnitin does not violate the copyright of the students for a variety of reasons. First there is the fact that students had to agree to the terms of the service to use it -- even if they were forced to by their schools. However, the court finds that this is a problem for the schools, not Turnitin. But, much more interesting is the rationale for why storing those papers is considered "fair use." Among other things, the court found that Turnitin isn't using the papers for their creative meaning and even though it stores the entire document, it doesn't really publish a full copy of it for others to see.
That becomes especially interesting given the current lawsuit concerning Google's scanning of books from various university libraries, as it may be able to note the similarities in this situation to Turnitin's. There are some differences -- and clearly, the publishers will claim that the impact on the commercial value is quite different (despite evidence to the contrary -- but this ruling is likely to help Google's position at least somewhat.
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Uhhh,,, Houston? I think we have a problem.
A coerced contract is invalid.
Turnitin isn't using the papers for their creative meaning
Copyright isn't about creativity, it's about publishing, distribution and usage rights. This one should be smacked down quickly on appeal. Article 3 of the Berne Convention expressly addresses "works published with the consent of their authors".
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Right, but the court's point (reasonably, I would think) is that the coercion is between the school and the student. Thus, a student could sue the school over the coercion, but the blame shouldn't be placed on Turnitin...
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> Right, but the court's point is that the
> coercion is between the school and the student.
Which party the students have a cause of action against for the coercion is irrelevant to the issue of whether the coercion invalidated the contract.
A coerced contract is void as a matter of law Under the law, it's as if no contract ever existed in the first place.
Turnitin should not be able to legally rely on a contract that never existed as its defense to a copyright infringement suit and the judge in this case needs to go back and take a first-year law school Contacts Law class because he's obviously a bit rusty on the subject.
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We are coerced into a contract with the State if we want a license to drive despite the fact that the Constitution states that it is a right(not privilege) to travel; they won't let you ride your horse or a bicycle on the highway even though those are legit modes of travel so if one wants to travel 100 miles or more, you need a car. If you want to fly or ride a bus, you still need identification thanks to yet another contract we didn't want...and to get that identification you have to sign into yet another contract(with unstated terms and conditions I might add).
And the reason they can get away with it is because you can only be coerced if you are being denied something that you have a Constitutional right to in the first place. You don't have the right to attend a certain school, it's a privilege and if you refuse to abide by their rules, they drop you.
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But it's all irrelevant anyway because in this case, the judge found that the students *were* coerced. He just decided that it didn't matter, which is a legally erroneous position to take.
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Consent?
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They are free to sue the schools, and I would suspect they will. This is indeed coerced. It's not like this would be the first time that issues of copyright,freedom of speech, privacy etc comes up at a school anyhow.
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The place to look is at the contract between the students and the schools. Chances are they're told that in order for their papers to count toward their grade, they have to allow it to be submitted to Turnitin. If that's the case, there's nothing that the students can do except refuse to take any classes that use the Turnitin service because that doesn't fall under the legal definition of coercion since they're not being denied a right granted by the Constitution; privilege: yes, right: no.
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I don't know for sure, but I don't THINK coercion depends on constitutional rights denial alone. Even if it did, there is a constitutional right to privacy (too long a history and reasoning to recount). THere is also a constitutional right wherein governments are prohibited from arbitrary search and seizure of one's personal papers (see fourth Amendment). Schools are governmental entities, and even colleges are government funded. Also, education is what is called a "positive right" in our country, meaning it is NOT a privilege but an actual right. Moreover, school is not just a right, but a requirement and children do not have the right NOT to attend school. And as far as college goes, if all of them do the same thing, there is no reasonable alternative (you can't just say: "I don't like this, I'll just not turn in my paper and switch scools.") It all adds up to coercion in my book and in any other reasonable person's book.
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Contract with minor is valid...
Oh, and if the parents of the minor learn of the contract but take no action to repudiate it, it can certainly be enforced.
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Creativity
> papers for their creative meaning
Since when is "creative meaning" an element of copyright infringement?
(That's rhetorical-- it's not an element of the violation.)
This judge seems woefully misinformed on both Contract Law and Copyright Law. He's doing a Judge Judy and replacing the result he desires with the result the law requires.
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Plus, there are times when student papers are picked up for publication in books or anthologies. There IS the potential for the student to make money off of their works. I could see the potential of that being put in jeopardy if turnitin had a copy on file.
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I can't see the potential of that being put in jeopardy. Just because turnitin had permission to keep your paper and run statistics on it doesnt mean you can't tons of other things you might want to do with your paper. You think theyre going to publish a compendium of all the millions of papers that have been submitted to them? You think theyre going to look through those millions of papers and study them and find 1000 that are worth publishing?
Not going to happen. The paranoia surrounding this issue is on par with the most extreme conspiracy theories that I can think of and I still dont understand where its coming from.
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I like this ruling
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It only goes to show..
The little guys loose in the end.
I'm just glad my school isn't making use of any of these services.
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(That should be "lose", as in win or lose, not "loose" as in tight or loose.)
"I'm just glad my school isn't making use of any of these services."
(I wish they would have taught you to spell or even how to use a spell check feature!)
TBK
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Sorry, I don't mean to get snooty about language use, but if you're commenting on an academic matter, at least make a little sense...
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loose: not rigidly fastened or securely attached b (1): having worked partly free from attachments (2): having relative freedom of movement c: produced freely and accompanied by raising of mucus d: not tight-fitting
lose: : to undergo defeat in (For the usage you are apparently intending)
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the school is submitting an item (term paper in this case) with out the approval of its owner, kind of reminds me with dealing with stolen goods.
and i know if i have stolen goods the excuse i didn't steel it im just making money out of it is NOT a valid defense/ excuse.
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If you don't like it then change schools, however considering that plagrism is an increasingly major issue I don't see schools hiring human paper checkers, when a central agency can do the same job.
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As a student
Then they have to prove thay have permission from the copyright holder (me) that I gave the school permission to distrbuite my copyrighted works.
Now if I have to run it through turnitin myself to get credit then im not quite sure how this works other then what the guy said above.
"A coerced contract is invalid. "
Use turnitin or dont get credit sounds like it fits this catagory to me.
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Oh get over it.
If you look at it properly, this is proof of creative development should someone later on duplicate your findings there is independent proof of your original development.
If you're so worried then you should copyright every document you submit to your professors.
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In a way I think it is if I turn in an opinion paper this semester on Insurance companies and next semester have a class that I can reuse the paper for I do and 90% will be the same as my original one. If both teachers use turnitin.com the second one will have thought that I copied someones work and used it as my own. So then due to the site I have effectively lost ownership.
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You still haven't lost ownership. A software program that says your paper was plagiarized does not constitute a transfer of ownership. You retain the rights to your work, although turnitin may have decreased the value of your work.
The court ruled correctly on this issue. The real question is whether or not a university or high school can mandate submitting a paper to turnitin for grading purposes.
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My advice is refuse to use this service. It doesn't matter. They can't fail every student.
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The court was wrong. The service would be useless if it did not have students papers.
The software really does not work either. It detects any 3 word combination and labels it as plagiarism. For example writing "the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics" would flag your paper as plagiarized because you had a 5 word string of plagiarized words.
Fuck the corrupt universities that use this.
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Turnitin does not identifying anything as plagiarism. It indicates matching text - it takes a human to identify whether the match is unproblematic, sloppy referencing, or plagiarism.
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Great, now more universities can keep on mandating that their students submit their own work for intellectual theft and copyright infringement. Our education system is nil. This is a mere gimplse into the future of what is to come.
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TurnItIn/iParadigm
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