Competitors Using Software To Mark Each Other's Craigslist Postings As Spam
from the now-that's-impressive dept
One sign of a successful software company is when an ecosystem starts to build around it. We've seen this with companies like Microsoft, eBay and Google of course. And, while there definitely have been some products built on top of Craigslist, I hadn't realized it had gone so far as to include software that will try to trick Craigslist into deleting a post as spam. As you may know, Craigslist has a little link on each post that allows any reader to "flag as spam." There's an automated system that takes note of these clicks, and if enough such clicks come from enough unique users, the post is automatically pulled off the site. For the most part, this system is both effective and efficient. But, according to the linked article above, there's software out there that will let you "flag as spam" any post you want, sending multiple clicks pretending to come from unique users. It's being used by some companies to maliciously pull down perfectly legitimate posts from competitors. Craigslist says it's constantly tweaking its systems to avoid this kind of thing, but why not have a Wikipedia-style setup, where "deleted" spam posts can be reviewed by folks who can "undelete" the not-spam ones? It can use the same basic system, where if enough people vote that a "spam" post is legit, it goes back online. Or if it's really an issue, then certain posts that get jerked back and forth could finally be "locked" by an admin based on their discretion.Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.
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The last 5 captchas I've had to deal with I have not been able to use. I'm young, smart and have 20/20 vision. It ain't me.
These things are pure evil.
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Even the OCR (and neural net) programs are getting pretty good at solving CAPTCHAs.
CAPTCHA is not the answer. Wish I knew what was.
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Captchas are worthless
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Captchas are worthless
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Just one teensy weensy problem.
Neither Craig Newmark or Clint Powell give a rat's ass.
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Don't underestimate the spam
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If it's a business that has competitors, what are they doing on Craiglist?
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Response to: Craigs defender on May 6th, 2008 @ 8:38am
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Escalating war
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1) The maker of the software has some kind of botnet under his control, and the "report as spam" link gets sent to them to "click" - this is obviously illegal.
2) When you install this software, your computer will download and "click" those links sent in by other people every day/hour/whatever. Legally in a grey area, its an opt-in botnet (I would bet the EULA says you agree to have your computer used to report other messages as spam), but likely violation of Craiglist TOS.
Option 1 can be dealt with by law enforcement, option 2 is a technical problem that could be solved with a blacklist of certain IPs from reporting posts as spam.
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Captcha
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Craigslist Auto Poster
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Help Me!
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quit spamming the fucking site.
If everyone started acting like human beings again instead of selfish me, me, me, assholes, everyone could do business on craigslist, you only NEED one ad up every day to sell you stuff or advertise your business if it weren't for the selfish fucking pricks who post 20 ads and more and KNOCK THE OTHER POSTS OFF THE PAGE.
GET IT?
If it weren't for the spammers everyone's post would be up long enough to generate some business for them.
But the spammers turn it in to a cesspool of pigs wallowing in there greed.
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It's not right the way people flag things online
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You spammers and your stupid "flagger software" theories are morons.
YOU are the reason craigslist is becoming more difficult to use. You spam, making craigslist make things harder. Then you COMPLAIN (for no reason) making craigslist "guilty" to make things harder.
98% of problems on craigslist are SPAMMERS' faults.
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Spamming Jacksonville? Never been there, hear it's lovely.
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Re: Re: It's not right the way people flag things online
Interesting.
Go to AdNuke. Sign up for an account.
Pay them $150.00
They will flag off as many ads as you want as often as you want, as long as you can pay them
Ahem .. .
Whose the idiot?
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Re: It's not right the way people flag things online
Craigslist is NOT for businesses. It is for individuals. You are WRONG to expect that your business has the right to post spam on CL.
If you were a real business instead of some dumb fucking hick you'd pay for ads like the rest of the world does.
I wish I lived in MI so I could flag you all day long. No, actually I don't.
MI is a shithole. Good place for a cocksucker like you.
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Flagging
People who flag other business competitors ads because they simply either don't like them or because they don't want any competition whatsoever show not only how unethical they are but it puts the customer at great risk of getting ripped off. Then again, the person that has their competition's ads deleted probably don't care who they are hurting or why. It's a very bad way to conduct business and sooner or later the customer will wise up and choose a competitor anyway.
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similar issues all over cl
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Spammers spam because they are getting flaged!
They have a product to sale as opposed to the flaggers what are they selling nothing.
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Software that assists flagging has its merits...
The amount of spam in the electronics, computer and photo sections of NY craigslist is astounding and this is not only spam it's a scam as well. It seems there's a group of folks from China that are generating this using some auto-posting software. I'm talking about hundreds of ads by a single poster.
http://nospam.softmastergeneral.com:81
Helps in the fight against spam/scams of this nature.
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hi Phil - reply: Software that assists flagging has its merits
i am Dave in Brooklyn.
i am looking for
FREE craigslist flagging software
PLUS antispam flagging GROUPS.
we need to fight spammers
as a GROUP effort.
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This new phone verification is not working on CL new yorks computer services
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I use the search function anyway.
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Re: Abuse of Auto Flagging Software
I'm looking into somehow getting the auto flagging software (without spending a ton of dough and one thats Mac compatible)....Only getting to protect myself--they wanna flag my ads? I'll flag their azzez right back ;)
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Craig's List jewelry scam - names/emails
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Criaigs Flagging Software is Outdated
Post flagging is now a industry, you can have ads shot down in mass with Craigs Hitmen. You can just go to their site at www.craigshitmen.com to have tons of ads flagged.
Craigslist won't be able to stop that I bet
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Spammers killed craigslist
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flaging
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Im having this issue right now!
even when i make it very clear im not spam.
its nuts!
all CL has to do is put one of those verification things like they do when you post. if someone wants to flag they can type in a 4 digit number!!
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I have this issue
The only thing that has helped me was a group
I emailed at craigsspamhelp@yahoo.com
Does anyone know of any other groups that spam ads
on a regular basis?
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Finally, I got an auto-flagger made from an indian coder of getafreelancer.com.
It works great - and it's worth the price!
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They Got it Coming
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Someone is Flagging/Deleting my Ads
Has anyone else had this problem with html style ads? Any suggestions? Thank you.
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geo-IP based flagging system
Now craigslist is not letting you flag so easily. It looks like they are requiring the flag clicks to come from the same IP address as the post (it's supposed to be a local tool right)?
So the trick of just clearing your cookies and then using a proxy are not going to work anymore.
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1.120k-plus is not low mileage for ANY model year
2.If a vehicle has been wrecked and damn near totaled, Blue Book value is of no consequence
3.Try posting a phone number or some sort of contact info if you're serious about selling your car
4.Type your ad in MS Word or other word processing program and check for grammar and spelling errors
5. A 1985 Buick Ciera is NOT a classic or antique
6. A potential buyer doesn't give a rat's ass about your emotional attachment or sentimental value to a vehicle
7. Spammers, don't post photos of vehicles with palm trees and/or desert in geographical areas where neither would ever occur. The incoherence of what you cut and paste is bad enough.
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here is the only solution
Craigs list could give 2 shits about spam or people being flagged. ITS FREE!
I love it when people are using a FREE service and bitch when it dont work.
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Flagging Craigslist
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Real problem at CL
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We have become too many.
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Just Use a Craigslist Alternative
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Solution to Combat Malicious Flagging.
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the ONLY solution to flagBot retards
The ONLY solution: NO unaccountable flagging allowed!
If we have to go through the BS of Captcha and phone verification to place any legit ad, so should ALL the flaggers, every time. Otherwise CL is just a pointless idiotic Bot vs. Bot pissing contest!!
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sw florida spammers are horrible!
i post once.
every time i post, ill check to make sure it actually made it (sometimes it doesnt and i dont know why) and on top of me is 15-20 posts from the same company also advertising power washing.
they must have someone sit in the office and check it all day to see if they get top posted, then they splash an insane amount of ads to stay on top.
i know when i post im asked for a phone number every so often. i am only 1 guy, i have a landline and a cell. this company must be using the emails and phone numbers of all of thier employees.
craigs should only allow 1 post a day, per section, per ISP, this might help that. also, when are they going to require a license number to post in ALL services sections? right now where i am at, its only required in the theraputic section. unlicensed contracting is ILLEGAL. it should be required by ANY contractor looking to provide a service.
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i traced a flagger
this is the address of the flagger
billys t shirt shop
1248 Fulton Street Brooklyn, NY 11216
(718) 789-2273
call or text my phones
718-789-2273
718-925-5804
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Craigslist is a collaborator with the police state
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Jon Sev Fan
Good job man. Impressive. I have an A-- hole in California flagging my postings. I have set up new accounts and done everything to be in compliance with Craigslist Policies . Yet this motherfucker still keeps flagging me. Can you email me or show me how to track down this motherfucker.I surely will appreciate it.
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CL Flagging Tools
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CL Flagging Tools
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UNETHICAL? Give me F*****ing break!!!
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I'm MISS Unethical. It's nice to meet you!
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Novice question
I am lic, and Insured and EPA reg, as according to the local laws.
So I have a web site, and I advertise on Cl . There is no other real venues for small local guys like me unless you have a big operating budget.
Locally, Craigslist has been taken over by bigger window and door companies . If I flag them I get kicked off Cl. If I post honestly two to three time a week I get ghosted. Or the big competitor includes me in their flagging operations. I almost seem like there is a inside deal going on somewhere...
Is Craigslist a dead end for me? I seem that it was made for folks like me but now I don’t get any business from it unless I spend as mush time nursing my ads as I do working by business.
What should a simple carpenter do, Craigslist seems to have lost its way and we get no business form it any more.
Resorting to using flyers door to door.
Please be nice.
Thanks.
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FREE flagging exchange group
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robo flager robbing my money n income.
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Flagging
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flagging
but you don't want to go to backpage.com because nobody else goes there. craigslist gets all the traffic...
stupid is as stupid does. you are getting what you deserve.
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