Warner Tells Kid Rock To Denounce File Sharing; He Denounces Warner Instead
from the file-share-away dept
While Warner Music had claimed that it was getting away from attacking fans who wanted to download, it appears that it still has a long way to go. Atlantic Records, a subsidiary of Warner Music Group, asked one of its stars, Kid Rock, to publicly denounce file sharing. Instead, Kid Rock publicly denounced Warner Music, while telling fans to download away. Atlantic came to him saying he needed to say something publicly because "people are stealing from us and stealing from you." Rock's response? "Wait a second, you've been stealing from the artists for years. Now you want me to stand up for you?" So, instead, he started spreading the opposite message: "I was telling kids - download it illegally, I don't care. I want you to hear my music so I can play live."It's for this reason that he's also avoiding having his music go up on iTunes, because it's based on the old model: "an old system, where iTunes takes the money, the record company takes the money, and they don't give it to the artists." He's disappointed that the recording industry has really squandered an opportunity: "So the internet was an opportunity for everyone to be treated fairly, for the consumer to get a fair price, for the artist to be paid fairly, for the record companies to make some money."
Of course, he then does go a little overboard: "I don't mind people stealing my music, that's fine. But I think they should steal everything. You know how much money the oil companies have? If you need some gas, just go fill your tank off and drive off, they're not going to miss it." That, of course, is a bit of an exaggeration, though I'm sure it will be used by supporters of the old system to discredit the rest of what he has to say. But the key points remain: he recognizes that the real way to make money these days is to have more people listening to your stuff, and make the money on other business models, such as live performances -- and that the record labels rely on an obsolete system that tends to make them wealthy at the expense of artists, rather than with them.
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too bad tho
It's good that he recognized that the industry is not trying to help the artists, but he ruined his chance to be taken seriously about it.
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Possibly deliberate
The use of RIAA's language of 'stealing' already smells fishy. To sanction theft indicates he either doesn't understand the difference or is attempting to indicate there is no difference (on RIAA's behalf).
A potential cryptoRIAAn.
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This is the trouble when the cartel continually conflates copyright infringement with property theft.
Those who see nothing wrong in 'stealing' music (also mistermed IP theft), though it is actually natural cultural liberty, then mistake themselves as anarcho-communists, as they start wondering if perhaps theft and property are invalid concepts altogether.
Property is fine.
It's the suspension of the public's liberty to privilege merchants (publishers) that isn't fine.
Copyright isn't a right.
Infringement isn't theft.
Sharing isn't stealing.
Intellectual property is still property.
Stealing and theft are still wrong.
Copyright is a suspension of liberty.
Abolishing copyright destroys privilege not property.
So, Kid Rock, rebel against your publisher's privilege, but do not conflate that with a rejection of natural property rights.
Need it a tad simpler?
Share my music, but don't steal it.
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It is a right for the PUBLIC, not the CREATOR.
That's the part that people get backwards.
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"To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries." (emphasis added)
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Copyright and patent exceed this, by extending that exclusive right beyond its natural limit, i.e. beyond the point at which the author or inventor has exclusive possession of their writings and discoveries (because the author or inventor distributed copies or published them and ended their exclusivity).
See http://www.digitalproductions.co.uk/index.php?id=119
So the constitution does not make copyright (or patent) a right, nor would it have the power to define it as a right in any case. Rights are self-evident; they are not created by law or constitution, but observed and protected by them.
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So, for you, a "right" is only something which is natural. So you would argue from nature. So therefore, killing a man for walking onto my property is a right ... as that response is most certainly "natural."
Rights are self-evident; they are not created by law or constitution, but observed and protected by them.
First, laws establish balance for the greater good, realizing that in order to achieve that balance, some "self-evident" rights must be curtailed to protect the whole.
Second, many people seem to have no problem recognizing the ability to have a say over what happens to the things you create as a "self-evident" right. That you don't shows how that "self-evident" may not be as self-evident as you believe.
Third, what seems completely natural to me is that I help someone continue to do things that I find value in; i.e., this guy does X, I like/need/want X, so if I want him to do more of X, I should give him something in exchange so he doesn't have to stop doing X and go start a farm or something (cause we all have natural needs, too).
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* Seek liberty, but not at the expense of truth
* Seek truth, but not at the expense of privacy
* Seek privacy, but not at the expense of life
* Seek life, and enjoy free culture.
Natural rights are defined by natural rights, e.g. the natural right to privacy is 'curtailed' as you put it by the natural right to life.
Laws do not create rights or determine the balance between them, but arbitrate that balance.
Copyright is by no means a self-evident right. This was recognised at the time the privilege was created, however it was given the benefit of the doubt as potentially more valuable to society than the cultural liberty it suspended.
I wholly support a free and fair market in cultural works (exchange of art for money) and the protection of everyone's intellectual property rights.
To fully achieve that protection requires the abolition of privileges that suspend those rights, i.e. copyright and patent.
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I agree with this:
I wholly support a free and fair market in cultural works (exchange of art for money) and the protection of everyone's intellectual property rights.
... and I want this to be true:
To fully achieve that protection requires the abolition of privileges that suspend those rights, i.e. copyright and patent.
... but I don't yet understand how it is true.
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Then again maybe he simply no longer wants my abolitionist ideas polluting his blog?
You decide. It's still a mystery to me.
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'Copyright' is the name of the privilege and it is predictable that those who created it wouldn't be careful to avoid it being confused as a natural right.
So, I can't agree that 'copyright' is the right of those it is granted to.
The natural 'right to copy' however, is of course a right when applied to one's own creations or property (including someone else's creations that one has purchased or been given).
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Add that CD to my list
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Why? Becuase he, singlehandedly, has brought back kick ass music that is so good it gets into your veins.
Glad he stood up to Warner. Labels are screwing artists and the public and have been for years. I just wish Kid would use iTunes for convenience. I sometimes just want to download a song to my ipod when I don't have his cd's around.
And, we have bought multiple copies of each of Kid Rock's cd's, one for me, one for my husband, one for my oldest child....his music's the best! And, it's funny because I'm sure you're thinking we're some red neck family or some uneducated hicks. Ha. If you only knew! We're a highly targeted marketing demographic...lots of education, lots of cash.....funny how people stereotype, isn't it?
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lol
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j/k ;-)
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He did NOT steal the music.
BZZZZT!!! WRONG ANSWER!!!!
Since I BOUGHT THE CD, I got this thing called a "booklet" which has these things called "liner notes" with lyrics and writing and musician credits and for "All Summer Long" it clearly credits the writers of "Werewolves of London" and "Sweet Home Alabama." Nowadays, labels demand that every fraking identifiable sample and interpolation be cleared and licensed lest they get sued down the line. You can quibble as to how creative Kid Rock may or not be by doing this mashing up, but there's no question that he didn't "steal" the music.
Yeah, he put his foot in his mouth about stealing gas, but the core points - that the labels and retailers claim the lions share for themselves and screw the artists whose interests they claim to protect - are still valid.
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yet another...
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Play live
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That's exactly what the model proposed here would do: effectively turn all content (albums, novels, movies, scripts) into resumes.
I think I have a problem with that.
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Mentioning gas is kind of funny ...
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Kid Rock
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Rock had a chance to help artists, but blew it trying to be a rebel and promote himself.
He has/had a great argument, but the extra step was off the cliff...
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The more you rant, the probability of randomly saying something rational increase.
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If you continue to download music without paying for it, there will be no reason for artist to continue making the music we love.
New Artists can not survive without getting paid.
Record stores will be non existant.
And regarding "stealing Gas" Have you people lost the concept of Sarcasm? Jesus!
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Your "bottom line" presupposes that the currently predominant business model will remain the status quo, which hardly seems likely.
Some artists are finding methods that allow them to create music without having to directly sell the music, while others are attempting to rally against change.
While certainly illegal, unauthorized downloading is an economic response to the infinite nature of digital goods. Some artists are recognizing this fact, and adapting accordingly, while others remain committed to the present model.
As has been discussed multiple times here, there are plenty of other ways for an artist to make money rather than direct sales of the music.
New Artists can not survive without getting paid.
And nobody is saying they shouldn't get paid.
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Which is funny, because I've heard Friends but not Wolves or Horses. Now, I think he might have a point -- he's the artist, he knows the message he's trying to put forth -- but the fact is that FANS want the music, and fans will like some songs and not others. Fans are the ones who want things piecemeal, and iTunes is just giving them what they want.
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Kid/stealing, etc.
He did not "steal" the Zevon & Skynrd music, he not only licensed them, he paid the publishing and had to give co-write to Zevon and the other writers.
I notice his song (and all his others) are all filed up in BMI - why? so he can collect his writer & publisher share!
Gee, Kid, why bother - just give it all away for free to everyone!
Artists like this know full well that he can (now) afford to give away his downloads as a promotional loss leader to sell concert tickets, merch, etc., while promoting this attitude completely screws those who make their living as songwriters - not to mention the thousands of record company employees who work their butts off to make him into a star to begin with.
BTW, driving off with "free" gas wouldn't harm Exxon - they've already made their $$ charging thousands to the gas station owner who is now out all that money, as well as the few pennies in profit that he would have made off the sale!
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a little money off their work and the record companies
making a little money as well.
Distribution is the key and the big 4 have that all locked up.
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