RIAA Also Tells Judge That Proof Shouldn't Be Necessary To Sue For Infringement
from the heard-this-before dept
Following in the footsteps of the MPAA, the RIAA has now filed its response in the Jammie Thomas case, claiming again that actual proof of distribution doesn't make sense: "Requiring proof of actual transfers would cripple efforts to enforce copyright owners' rights online." See, there's just one problem with this. The law isn't designed to make it easy to enforce copyright owners rights. It's designed to make sure that only the guilty party is actually blamed for breaking the law. So the fact that it's "difficult" shouldn't sway the judge.Furthermore, while the discussion here was supposed to focus on whether or not "making available" is infringement, it looks like the RIAA decided to pull in a bunch of other arguments as well, noting that Thomas downloaded many of the songs in her folder (yet, the case was about uploading, not downloading), and that none of it matters because the RIAA actually does have proof of distribution (in the form of Media Sentry downloading the files). Again, though, those points are not what's up for debate here. So, once again, we have the RIAA trying to cloud the issue. Oh yeah, and, of course, the RIAA can't resist using its bogus arguments that international treaties require US courts to treat making available as distribution. That's an incredibly weak argument, based on the idea that these treaties, often written by the industry, and approved by diplomats who don't understand what they really mean, should be binding over what the law actually says.
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RIAA Wants...
Jerk: "You Hit My Car!"
Me: "No I didn't."
Jerk: "I'm going to sue!"
Judge: "There's no proof but because a suit was brought against you, your GUILTY"
Later...
Inmate: "What are you in for?"
Me: "Yah. The rich dicked me over and now I play the harmonica all day"
Inmate: "That's fucked up."
Guard: "HEY, Are you Joe Sixpack?"
Me: "Yes"
Guard: "You got a letter From Warner Music"
Me (Opening the Letter): "Fuck. Warner's suing me for playing Happy Birthday on my Harmonica!"
Inmate: "Oh Shit"
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Wow
It's too hard is a ridiculous excuse to make. The Burden of Proof falls on you RIAA, and it must be proved just like in any other case.
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Welcome to America! Home of the weekly corporate money grab!
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In a single word.... Lobbyists, they've got em, and they pay em to push laws through that help their old business models. Now that you know, you can google RIAA lobbyists and find out quite a bit.
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Taxes
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Re: Taxes
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Re: Taxes
If they want IP to have the protections of tangible property then they need to start claiming it as property and paying real taxes dollars on their so called imaginary property.
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Proof? We don't need no stinking proof!
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Extortion
Seems that by most states definition that would qualify as extortion. Why hasn't their tactics been prosecuted by some DA somewhere?
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Re: Extortion
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Stupid RIAA
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real simple precedent
Simply having them is a crime in itself, but it's not distribution. The same should apply here. Downloading songs and having them is illegal - but it's not distribution unless they actually download it.
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Re: real simple precedent
Granted that would never work for this, I know too many people that have a large music library.
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No it's not. You are falling for the industry propoganda without even realizing it. Downloading songs IS NOT illegal, only distributing them is illegal.
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Fuck them
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Re: Fuck them
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Fucking lol
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Innocent until proven guilty ?
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All it Takes....
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Here's a question....
...none of it matters because the RIAA actually does have proof of distribution (in the form of Media Sentry downloading the files).
It seems to me highly likely that Media Sentry has been granted some sort of written indemnification absolving it from copyright infringement while gathering its "evidence".
If that is true, isn't the "distribution" TO Media Sentry in fact "Authorized" and not Un-Authorized??
MediaSentry "created" the evidence by making a copy. If they were pre-authorized to make copies of RIAA covered works, no unauthorized distribution occured. Right?
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Conflict of Interest/ Special Interest
The RIAA is the government. They dont have to follow the law. They make the law. Someone said downloading songs is not illegal :) Well... It is if the RIAA Says so. So how does a good Democrat like Hillary Rosen represent the working class? By suing an 20 year old for thousands of dollars for that bootleg copy of music on their computer. Certainly looking out for the interests of the working class huh...
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Creative Commons...
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