Yet Another Lawsuit Over Whether A Company Can Ban The Sale Of Its Products Online

from the first-sale dept

Tue, Jul 8th 2008 8:34am — Mike Masnick

Just last week we were talking about baby stroller companies in the UK trying to prevent retailers from selling their goods on eBay, and now Eric Goldman points us to news of a case in the US on this very issue. Here we have a "dietary supplement" seller, Standard Process, who sued an online e-commerce site, Total Health, for selling its supplements despite not being an "authorized reseller." Basically, Total Health would buy products from Standard Process through other means and then resell them online -- which seems like it should be perfectly legal.

Not so far, claims the judge. The court refused to grant a summary judgment, claiming that, even though Total Health makes it abundantly clear that it is not an authorized reseller, because Total Health uses the pronouns "we" and "our" in describing Standard Process' products that it somehow (how? who knows?) implies evidence of an affiliation. That seems like quite a stretch. The judge also notes that since Total Health shows up as the top ad result in a search for Standard Process, there's an implied association (why? again... that's not explained at all). There are a few other questionable bits of reasoning by the judge, highlighted at the link above. The judge did rule in Total Health's favor on the question of whether or not it interfered with the "contract" between Standard Process and its authorized resellers, by noting that there's no actual contract if Standard Process just tells the resellers the terms without any actual agreement or exchange taking place. It has the right to stop selling to those resellers, but not to claim that they broke an existing contract.

Still the first part of this ruling does seem quite questionable. It seems like a stretch to think that any moron in a hurry would be confused by Total Health's marketing claims -- when it quite clearly states that it's not an official reseller of Standard Process' goods. It seems like the court twisted itself over backwards to try to come up with any loose link to try to make that connection.

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Filed Under: dietary supplement, resale
Companies: standard process, total health

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Anonymous Coward, 8 Jul 2008 @ 9:48am

IBM vs. PSI... good article
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Speaker, 8 Jul 2008 @ 9:58am

Depends on which moron you choose
Not all "moron's in a hurry" are created equally. Seems that law today is as much about choosing the correct venue as the intent of the law. Choosing the correct judge or correct jury mix can have as much an effect on outcome as whether there is an actual case.
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- domenic siracusa, 27 Aug 2015 @ 6:43pm
  
  Re: Depends on which moron you choose
  We actually picked the right legal firm
  We knew we would lose trademark
  BUT IN THE END WE WON THE RIGHT TO SELL
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- Domenic Siracusa, 27 Jul 2017 @ 4:19pm
  
  Re: Depends on which moron you choose
  I PICKED THE RIGHT LAW FIRM
  AND ALSO THE FIRST SALE DOCTRINE
  WE ARE SELLING SUPPLEMENTS
  WE WON , WON , WON
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Computer Bob, 8 Jul 2008 @ 10:11am

So I can't legally resell something I bought leagally?
Since when is it illegal to resell anything that I legally bought? As long as I don't advertise that I'm an authorized reseller, or say I'm not authorized, what's illegal about it?
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- Anonymous Coward, 8 Jul 2008 @ 10:39am
  
  Re: So I can't legally resell something I bought leagally?
  Well, you can, but you can't misrepresent yourself as being the manufacturer of the product in question. That seems to be what the judge was saying.
  
  I could sell my car, but I can't make the person buying it think they're buying it from yug^h^h^hferrari.
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- Steve R. (profile), 8 Jul 2008 @ 12:59pm
  
  Re: So I can't legally resell something I bought leagally?
  A problem that we seem to have today is that corporations are assuming "police powers" and are not constrained by "due process". So if a corporation says you are doing something they define as illegal, you are guilty. No proof necessary.
  
  Furthermore, it seems that nothing is actually sold anymore, so you actually never own it. I guess corporations let us lease stuff so that we won't be burdened by the obligations of ownership.
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- domenic siracusa, 27 Aug 2015 @ 6:46pm
  
  Re: So I can't legally resell something I bought leagally?
  This law basically says that if you sell new hondas
  and you pick up a new mercedes
  mercedes can not stop you from selling the car on a website or store
  they can enforce that you do not use logos
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Anonymous Coward, 8 Jul 2008 @ 10:50am

Is there a right of first sale for goods? I mean, you own it, so how can the producers of the product limit how you choose to dispose of your property? Somebody in the know please let me know.
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- Steve R. (profile), 8 Jul 2008 @ 1:05pm
  
  Its leased
  Corporation are eliminating the concept of "sell" in their quest for total control. Now we are are only allowed to "lease" or "license" the product and we can only use it in conformance with the corporate EULA. So according to the corporations we never own anything and we don't have any rights. Time for a change?
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arby, 8 Jul 2008 @ 11:07am

So, how do you think the judge would explain it if the first hit on a google search on his name turns up "Judge XXX is a moron." By his logic, it must be true...
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- domenic siracusa, 27 Aug 2015 @ 6:47pm
  
  Re:
  there were no morons in this case
  case was tough
  i just happened to be persistent to show
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chris (profile), 8 Jul 2008 @ 11:54am

you're all missing the point
the point of all of this is that there is no more right of first sale. you can play the trademark card to intimidate anyone smaller than you into closing up shop.

if you sell something without paying off enough people then your ass is as good as sued. you either need to pay the manufacturer for the right to sell, pay a team of lawyers to protect you from the manufacturer, pay a judge to rule in your favor when the manufacturer sues you, or pay the manufacturer to settle damages.
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MLS, 8 Jul 2008 @ 9:03pm

Perhaps if you actually read the court's decision, instead of relying on a third party account, you would not be as inclined to ridicule its contents.

This was a motion for summary judgement. It was not a decision on the merits. Significantly different legal standards pertain, as the court clearly notes.
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- Mike (profile), 8 Jul 2008 @ 11:39pm
  
  Re:
  Perhaps if you actually read the court's decision, instead of relying on a third party account, you would not be as inclined to ridicule its contents.
  
  The two accounts are from well respected legal scholars.
  
  This was a motion for summary judgement.
  
  Which I noted in the post.
  
  You keep accusing me of stuff that is wrong. It's sometimes comical.
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  - MLS, 9 Jul 2008 @ 8:21am
    
    Re: Re:
    "The two accounts are from well respected legal scholars."
    
    Do you believe everything they say because they are "legal scholars"? If you had read the opinion you would have quickly noted that their blog comments glossed over some of the salient facts that guided the judge in his decision.
    
    Regarding my comment about "summary judgement", I suspect that the vast majority of your readers do not understand what the term means, and as a consequence fail to appreciate just what it is the court had decided. For example, it did not say "we", "our", etc. was conclusive on the issue of suggesting a relationship with the plaintiff.
    
    On a final note, your last paragraph suggests that you are familiar with the facts of the case, and yet as you noted in your response you relied on third party accounts to glean what the case is all about. In my view this was wrong.
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domenic l siracusa, 12 Jul 2008 @ 11:57am

total health
HOORAY FOR TOTAL HEALTH,, THEY CAN SELL ON THE INTERNET,,THIS IS GREAT FOR EVERY ONE OF US ON PLANET EARTH

DOMENIC LOUIS SIRACUSA
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TooMuchManganese, 29 Mar 2009 @ 11:54am

Too Much Manganese in a Standard Process Product!!
EPA recommends .05 mg Maximum allowable Manganese per liter of drinking water.

Standard Process has a product called "Ostrophin PMG 6500"
Each tablet contains 4 mg Manganese.

So could we say that this is 80 times more than what the EPA recommends? Over-consumption of Manganese is cited for Severe Neurological functions by the Linus Pauling Institute.
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A1555, 30 Apr 2009 @ 3:21pm

Standard process - Total Health
I don't understand why Total health must post on the bottom of their site, that they are not favored by Standard Process etc. Also, to the manganese comment - There is nothing wrong with 4 mg manganese. One bowl of oatmeal has 3 mg of manganese. However, it is true too much of any mineral is bad - all minerals should be used carefully according to need and not necessarily daily.
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scottp, 1 Sep 2009 @ 2:25pm

standard process- total health
the bigger picture is clearly being missed. Standard Process sells medically prescribed supplements only to be dispensed by professionals possessing the knowledge to do so. Banning the sale from resellers should be illegal. that is to the benefit of the consumer.
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scottp, 1 Sep 2009 @ 2:25pm

standard process- total health
the bigger picture is clearly being missed. Standard Process sells medically prescribed supplements only to be dispensed by professionals possessing the knowledge to do so. Banning the sale from resellers should be illegal. that is to the benefit of the consumer.
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MARCUS, 18 Nov 2009 @ 1:11pm

STANDARD PROCESS INC LAWSUIT
I THINK THEY SHOULD FILE LAWSUITS AGAINST THESE COMPANIES. I USE A NUTRITIONIST TO KEEP A CHECK ON MY HEALTH AND OTHER CHALLENGES I HAVE. MY NUTRITIONIST TAKES A HAIR SAMPLE SENDS IT TO A LAB TO FIND OUT WHERE MY MINERALS ARE IN MY BODY WHAT IS BALANCES OR NOT BALANCED BASED ON THESE LAB TEST THEN THE STANDARD PROCESS INC ALL NATURAL SUPPLEMENTS ARE GIVEN BASED ON MY BODY ALONE TO KEEP MY MINERALS BALANCED ALLOWING MY BODY TO FIGHT OFF OTHER CHALLENGES I AM DEALING WITH. AND COLDS FLU AND ALLERGIES. WHEN MY NUTRITIONIST WAS OUT ON VACATION I NEEDED TO GET SOME MORE SUPPLEMENTS. SO I USED A COMPANY THAT CLAIMS TO USE STANDARD PROCESS INC. AND THEY DO BECAUSE THEY HAVE A PHYSICIAN ON STAFF PER SAY YOU CAN NEVER TALK WITH THEM .THIS COMPANY STATES YOU WILL HAVE YOUR SUPPLEMENTS IN 7 TO 10 BUSINESS DAYS BUT THEY DONT TELL YOU IF THEY DONT HAVE ONE OF THE SUPPLEMENTS YOU NEED IF THEY CANT GET THEM FROM STANDARD PROCESSING. SO THEN YOU GET THE PRODUCTS WHICH YOU NOT CANT TAKE DUE TO YOU ARE TO TAKE ALL THE SUPPLEMENTS AT SAME TIME SO THE WORK TOGETHER TO KEEP YOU HEALTHY. THESE COMPANIES DONT CARE THAT YOU WONT BE ABLE TO TAKE YOUR SUPPLEMENTS UNTIL YOU GET THE OTHER SUPPLEMENT THEY COULD NOT GET FOR YOU. NOR DO THEY CARE THAT IT IS PUTTING YOUR HEALTH AT RISK. THEY CARE ABOUT THE MONEY BOTTOM DOLLAR THATS ALL. STANDARD PROCESSING WORKS DIRECTLY WITH PHYSICIANS AND NUTRITIONIST THAT WORK DIRECTLY WITH THEIR PATIENTS. NOT CUSTOMERS THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.
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DOMENIC l SIRACUSA, 31 Dec 2018 @ 5:31am

standard process
THE FUNNY THING
NOW STANDARD PROCESS SELLS STP ON AMAZON VIA ISERVE WHICH IS INDIRECTLY OWNED BY AMAZON,,,,THEY ARE GOING AGAINST EVERYTHING THEY STOOD FOR,,, TRAITORS TO THE HEALTH CARE PRACTITIONERS ALL THE WAY
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